Gophers Football thread

[Hoop Dreams]

Wisconsin's streak of going to a bowl game 22 years in a row ended today.

[feekdogg]

Wisconsin's streak of going to a bowl game 22 years in a row ended today.

I think they're still alive based on APR. Depends on who still can get to 6 wins.

[Hoop Dreams]

Wisconsin's streak of going to a bowl game 22 years in a row ended today.

I think they're still alive based on APR. Depends on who still can get to 6 wins.

Do you think there's any truth to the Fleck/North Carolina rumors?

[SKOLMN]

Wisconsin's streak of going to a bowl game 22 years in a row ended today.

I think they're still alive based on APR. Depends on who still can get to 6 wins.

Do you think there's any truth to the Fleck/North Carolina rumors?

Either way I’m indifferent. I think we’ve reached a ceiling with him and what we’re seeing is what we will be subject to as long as he’s around. If he leaves it’s very possible his replacement doesn’t do any better but I’d be willing to take that chance.

[Hornets]

In PJ we trust! LOCK HIM UP!!

[feekdogg]

Wisconsin's streak of going to a bowl game 22 years in a row ended today.

I think they're still alive based on APR. Depends on who still can get to 6 wins.

Do you think there's any truth to the Fleck/North Carolina rumors?

His agent floats his name for just about every opening.
Doesn't mean it can't happen though.

[Hoop Dreams]

[Bob Wiley]

Nice win today! The defense played great

[tbgh]

Delicious.

[WannaBeProGolferGuy]

Gotta be honest, I did not see that coming. That was a royal ass kicking. Wisconsin had 1 good drive which was aided by a hit out of bounds resulting in a 15 yard penalty giving Bucky a 1st down. Outside of, that, ( and the missed FG) their offense didn't do squat.

Side note, my sister works for the University of Wisconsin Health Systems. She had to work today. She arrived on campus at 8am and texted me "Badger fans are whimps and the only people tail-gaiting are Gopher fans". Of course, when she departed work at 5pm she texted me there were Badger fans still tail-gaiting in sub 20 degree temperature. Can't fix stupid can ya?

[Hoop Dreams]

[WannaBeProGolferGuy]

LOL, that makes it even more sweeter that Fickell (who was on the same Ohio State Staff when Fleck was) gave him the ol cold handshake since Fleck embarrassed Fickell's team and beat them like a drum!!

[feekdogg]

That's nothing new. Fleck and Ferentz hate each other. Jeff Brohm, Scott Frost, Bielema, all not Fleck fans. Of course there's the Kill stuff too.

[RubeTube]

Gotta be honest, I did not see that coming. That was a royal ass kicking. Wisconsin had 1 good drive which was aided by a hit out of bounds resulting in a 15 yard penalty giving Bucky a 1st down. Outside of, that, ( and the missed FG) their offense didn't do squat.

Side note, my sister works for the University of Wisconsin Health Systems. She had to work today. She arrived on campus at 8am and texted me "Badger fans are whimps and the only people tail-gaiting are Gopher fans". Of course, when she departed work at 5pm she texted me there were Badger fans still tail-gaiting in sub 20 degree temperature. Can't fix stupid can ya?

Didn’t see it coming? Do you not know how bad the Badgers are right now?

[Slap Shot]

I think they're still alive based on APR. Depends on who still can get to 6 wins.

Do you think there's any truth to the Fleck/North Carolina rumors?

His agent floats his name for just about every opening.

Where do you guys see these statements being made?

[WannaBeProGolferGuy]

Gotta be honest, I did not see that coming. That was a royal ass kicking. Wisconsin had 1 good drive which was aided by a hit out of bounds resulting in a 15 yard penalty giving Bucky a 1st down. Outside of, that, ( and the missed FG) their offense didn't do squat.

Side note, my sister works for the University of Wisconsin Health Systems. She had to work today. She arrived on campus at 8am and texted me "Badger fans are whimps and the only people tail-gaiting are Gopher fans". Of course, when she departed work at 5pm she texted me there were Badger fans still tail-gaiting in sub 20 degree temperature. Can't fix stupid can ya?

Didn’t see it coming? Do you not know how bad the Badgers are right now?

I did not as I don't follow University of Wisconsin football as closely as I do the University of Minnesota.

[Sellingguy]

I think they're still alive based on APR. Depends on who still can get to 6 wins.

Do you think there's any truth to the Fleck/North Carolina rumors?

Either way I’m indifferent. I think we’ve reached a ceiling with him and what we’re seeing is what we will be subject to as long as he’s around. If he leaves it’s very possible his replacement doesn’t do any better but I’d be willing to take that chance.

You could put the head coach of highland park high school in and things wont change.
The gophers will never be a top team on a yearly basis.

[SKOLMN]

Do you think there's any truth to the Fleck/North Carolina rumors?

Either way I’m indifferent. I think we’ve reached a ceiling with him and what we’re seeing is what we will be subject to as long as he’s around. If he leaves it’s very possible his replacement doesn’t do any better but I’d be willing to take that chance.

You could put the head coach of highland park high school in and things wont change.
The gophers will never be a top team on a yearly basis.

If the Hoosiers can turn into a contender in the span of a year, we can definitely do the same

[Hornets]

Overall, I've been pleased with what PJ has accomplished. Anyone who thinks there is a coach out there who can turn this program into a consistent top 20 team is sadly misguided. As terrible as the program had been for more than 50 years I'll take a guy who can get us to 7-8 wins every year, give us an occasional 9-10 win team, regularly get our hands on the Ax, win bowl games, etc... PJ's got my vote of approval!

[Sellingguy]

Either way I’m indifferent. I think we’ve reached a ceiling with him and what we’re seeing is what we will be subject to as long as he’s around. If he leaves it’s very possible his replacement doesn’t do any better but I’d be willing to take that chance.

You could put the head coach of highland park high school in and things wont change.
The gophers will never be a top team on a yearly basis.

If the Hoosiers can turn into a contender in the span of a year, we can definitely do the same

And how many years have they been a contender? 1-2 year runs don't mean shit.

More than ever it is now in control of the $$$. And MN does not have the $$$.

[feekdogg]

Do you think there's any truth to the Fleck/North Carolina rumors?

His agent floats his name for just about every opening.

Where do you guys see these statements being made?

Just google Fleck/UNC coach. You'll see his name pop up as potential coaches. And shockingly, you'll see Pete Thamel (ESPN college football insider) mention Fleck as a potential candidate. Thamel is (or at least was) Fleck's closest friend in the media going back to when Thamel wrote a feature on Fleck when he was at WMU.

[hategreenticemase]

Overall, I've been pleased with what PJ has accomplished. Anyone who thinks there is a coach out there who can turn this program into a consistent top 20 team is sadly misguided. As terrible as the program had been for more than 50 years I'll take a guy who can get us to 7-8 wins every year, give us an occasional 9-10 win team, regularly get our hands on the Ax, win bowl games, etc... PJ's got my vote of approval!

Listen, I completely concur that there are definitely obstacles and hurdles here. More than there should be at a big 10 program. That's simply factual and five or six decades of inconsistent sometimes good a lot of times poor and sometimes god-awful performance has us where we are at. What has happened the last several years feels decent because of what we're used to.

But I'm sorry, this notion that there's no guy out there that could turn this into a wisconsin-like program and consistent top 20 type team is complete hogwash. There is zero doubt in my mind that if Lou holtz doesn't leave and stays here he turns this program into the best period of gopher football any of us have seen in our lifetime. I believe that 100%.

It needs a special quality coach I will concede that. You have to have that magnetism and charm and sellability, which there's no question on that note that Fleck has that. Where he doesn't compare as favorably is the straight up football coach and discipline that Holtz and his staff brought. And this isn't saying he's a bad coach, I think he's actually pretty good at several things, he certainly good at developing a running game and has had a way of finding really good running backs. Our offensive line there's no question has been the best it's been for the longest it's been under his guidance. He's had good defenses.

But he's also had intermittent periods where the team appears unprepared, there's been many times where there's been lack of adjustments mid game. And his stubborn conservative ism has hurt them at time. And his clock management and in-game strategies sorely lacks at times leading to many games where he simply gets out coached by a better coach.

Anyway this post wasn't supposed to be about fleck, where I stand on him is I like more about him than I dislike. Not sure we can definitely improve on him or not, but I do absolutely reject the notion that there's no one that could turn this program into a perennial top 20. That was my point of the post.

[rtb]

would say this was a decent season, was hoping for more, had a couple tough losses but also had three pretty nice wins including the axe and they blew out Maryland in the only game I attended which is personally always a plus. Fleck does a pretty good job not letting losses snowball and the team bounces back ready to play the next week. Can say that about seasons too - his few rough campaigns have been followed by better seasons.

I am still a Fleck supporter overall, think the talent level is fine with the resources we have and most importantly I think he has two pretty good coordinators right now which has proven to be essential for him. Was really questioning Harbaugh coming into the season but he showed really well once we got going this season.

[tbgh]

would say this was a decent season, was hoping for more, had a couple tough losses but also had three pretty nice wins including the axe and they blew out Maryland in the only game I attended which is personally always a plus. Fleck does a pretty good job not letting losses snowball and the team bounces back ready to play the next week. Can say that about seasons too - his few rough campaigns have been followed by better seasons.

I am still a Fleck supporter overall, think the talent level is fine with the resources we have and most importantly I think he has two pretty good coordinators right now which has proven to be essential for him. Was really questioning Harbaugh coming into the season but he showed really well once we got going this season.

They lost four in a row to end last season. Just sayin.

[Hoop Dreams]

Wisconsin's streak of going to a bowl game 22 years in a row ended today.

I think they're still alive based on APR. Depends on who still can get to 6 wins.

[Slap Shot]

would say this was a decent season, was hoping for more, had a couple tough losses but also had three pretty nice wins including the axe and they blew out Maryland in the only game I attended which is personally always a plus. Fleck does a pretty good job not letting losses snowball and the team bounces back ready to play the next week. Can say that about seasons too - his few rough campaigns have been followed by better seasons.

I am still a Fleck supporter overall, think the talent level is fine with the resources we have and most importantly I think he has two pretty good coordinators right now which has proven to be essential for him. Was really questioning Harbaugh coming into the season but he showed really well once we got going this season.

They lost four in a row to end last season. Just sayin.

Technically they finished with a win.

Feek - while what you say is true after looking, Coyle backed it up that other programs have reached out to him. I don't think he would make that statement were it not true as there's no incentive.

Whatever I think I need to retire talking about him here.

[tbgh]

would say this was a decent season, was hoping for more, had a couple tough losses but also had three pretty nice wins including the axe and they blew out Maryland in the only game I attended which is personally always a plus. Fleck does a pretty good job not letting losses snowball and the team bounces back ready to play the next week. Can say that about seasons too - his few rough campaigns have been followed by better seasons.

I am still a Fleck supporter overall, think the talent level is fine with the resources we have and most importantly I think he has two pretty good coordinators right now which has proven to be essential for him. Was really questioning Harbaugh coming into the season but he showed really well once we got going this season.

They lost four in a row to end last season. Just sayin.

Technically they finished with a win.

Feek - while what you say is true after looking, Coyle backed it up that other programs have reached out to him. I don't think he would make that statement were it not true as there's no incentive.

Whatever I think I need to retire talking about him here.

But they did have a prolonged losing streak.

[Slap Shot]

They lost four in a row to end last season. Just sayin.

Technically they finished with a win.

Feek - while what you say is true after looking, Coyle backed it up that other programs have reached out to him. I don't think he would make that statement were it not true as there's no incentive.

Whatever I think I need to retire talking about him here.

But they did have a prolonged losing streak.

Which never happens anywhere else. No other programs have 2 or 3 "should of" losses per year which is why there are 50 job vacancies every year right? Right?

My last comment: People can say what they want about Fleck. But the reality is this – no Gophers coach has done better in bowl games if not in history than for a very, very long time. No coach has put more talent into the NFL. No coach has recruited local talent better since? No coach has done as well in-conference other than 1 year of Claeys and Cal Stoll since at least the 60’s.

Mason was a great coach who had some huge upset wins – I believe 2 vs PSU (with a 3rd stolen by shitty reffing) and 1 each against OSU and MI. But he had several epic chokes after having big leads in at least 2 bowl games, vs. MI and the blocked punt in the endzone game vs. Wisconsin, he rarely kept local talent at home, and he rarely had a defense fit for the B1G. Fleck's teams have had some bad losses, but they rarely have pissed away large leads.

A lot of people wrote Fleck off Day 1 because they just didn’t like him. They didn’t like the rah rah stuff, the RTB stuff, the culture stuff, whatever. And it taints their perception to this day I am convinced.

Fleck has made mistakes with clock management, with TO’s, and has at times failed to make in-game adjustments, but find me a coach that hasn’t. Another criticism is he won’t let his team pass, but obviously having trust in Brosmer this year proved that wrong, and don’t forget how much they threw the ball in 2019. I feel like something happened the last few years of Morgan where he lost that trust but that’s speculation.

If they can go out and get the next rising star coach with a contract he can’t get out of a la Lou Holtz, fine go for it. But the U better get off their ass and figure out their NLI discrepancy vs. schools like NEB, IA, WI and any other B1G program within their wheelhouse first or it’s not going to matter.

[tbgh]

Technically they finished with a win.

Feek - while what you say is true after looking, Coyle backed it up that other programs have reached out to him. I don't think he would make that statement were it not true as there's no incentive.

Whatever I think I need to retire talking about him here.

But they did have a prolonged losing streak.

Which never happens anywhere else. No other programs have 2 or 3 "should of" losses per year which is why there are 50 job vacancies every year right? Right?

My last comment: People can say what they want about Fleck. But the reality is this – no Gophers coach has done better in bowl games if not in history than for a very, very long time. No coach has put more talent into the NFL. No coach has recruited local talent better since? No coach has done as well in-conference other than 1 year of Claeys and Cal Stoll since at least the 60’s.

Mason was a great coach who had some huge upset wins – I believe 2 vs PSU (with a 3rd stolen by shitty reffing) and 1 each against OSU and MI. But he had several epic chokes after having big leads in at least 2 bowl games, vs. MI and the blocked punt in the endzone game vs. Wisconsin, he rarely kept local talent at home, and he rarely had a defense fit for the B1G.

A lot of people wrote Fleck off Day 1 because they just didn’t like him. They didn’t like the rah rah stuff, the RTB stuff, the culture stuff, whatever. And it taints their perception to this day I am convinced.

Fleck has made mistakes with clock management, with TO’s, and has at times failed to make in-game adjustments, but find me a coach that hasn’t. Another criticism is he won’t let his team pass, but obviously having trust in Brosmer this year proved that wrong, and don’t forget how much they threw the ball in 2019. I feel like something happened the last few years of Morgan where he lost that trust but that’s speculation.

If they can go out and get the next rising star coach with a contract he can’t get out of a la Lou Holtz, fine go for it. But the U better get off their ass and figure out their NLI discrepancy vs. schools like NEB, IA, WI and any other B1G program within their wheelhouse first or it’s not going to matter.

I’m not saying anything negative about pj. But I hate the rah rah shit. I’m just refuting what you said about him putting last week behind and moving forward. Last year the big ten season ended on a sour note. He was lucky a loop hole allowed him into a bowl. Then he took advantage of it. I want to like him. I really do. And I don’t hate him. Hth.

[Slap Shot]

But they did have a prolonged losing streak.

Which never happens anywhere else. No other programs have 2 or 3 "should of" losses per year which is why there are 50 job vacancies every year right? Right?

My last comment: People can say what they want about Fleck. But the reality is this – no Gophers coach has done better in bowl games if not in history than for a very, very long time. No coach has put more talent into the NFL. No coach has recruited local talent better since? No coach has done as well in-conference other than 1 year of Claeys and Cal Stoll since at least the 60’s.

Mason was a great coach who had some huge upset wins – I believe 2 vs PSU (with a 3rd stolen by shitty reffing) and 1 each against OSU and MI. But he had several epic chokes after having big leads in at least 2 bowl games, vs. MI and the blocked punt in the endzone game vs. Wisconsin, he rarely kept local talent at home, and he rarely had a defense fit for the B1G.

A lot of people wrote Fleck off Day 1 because they just didn’t like him. They didn’t like the rah rah stuff, the RTB stuff, the culture stuff, whatever. And it taints their perception to this day I am convinced.

Fleck has made mistakes with clock management, with TO’s, and has at times failed to make in-game adjustments, but find me a coach that hasn’t. Another criticism is he won’t let his team pass, but obviously having trust in Brosmer this year proved that wrong, and don’t forget how much they threw the ball in 2019. I feel like something happened the last few years of Morgan where he lost that trust but that’s speculation.

If they can go out and get the next rising star coach with a contract he can’t get out of a la Lou Holtz, fine go for it. But the U better get off their ass and figure out their NLI discrepancy vs. schools like NEB, IA, WI and any other B1G program within their wheelhouse first or it’s not going to matter.

I’m not saying anything negative about pj. But I hate the rah rah shit. I’m just refuting what you said about him putting last week behind and moving forward. Last year the big ten season ended on a sour note. He was lucky a loop hole allowed him into a bowl. Then he took advantage of it. I want to like him. I really do. And I don’t hate him. Hth.

I didn't make that comment and let's be clear they just won their last BT game of the season so yeah they put it behind them.

Also why do you give a fuck if you like him or not? Denny Green was an absolute jagoff but he won games and was only eventually let go because he lost the room. Mason was a surly prick but he won until he didn't. Doug Woog was the nicest guy ever but never won a NC. Don Lucia wasn't likeable but he won 2 NCs. Tom Kelly was super acerbic but won 2 WS. Who gives a fuck about the rah rah stuff? Just win.