NBA Draft 2025

[somuchyummy]

One of the negatives about the state of journalism is that every news release from multiple outlets are just carbon copies of each other. Apparently there are no reporters able to make some phone calls to get more info. I believe he’s had surgery - so at this point, the docs know what they worked on and what the prognosis is. But yeah, foot crap with bigs is always concerning. It probably doesn’t help that he carries 255. Another downside is that I assume he could miss the combine so a lot of salient measurements might remain a mystery thru the draft. Another defensive option might be Essengue - he moves really well, more like a W - but he’s more risky as a skinny euro. But he reminds me of a slightly bigger version of Jaden.

[twolves31]

I want a defense first 4/5 or a true 5. Sorber seems like ! 4/5. Laterally I thought he moved better than any other of the bigs on defense. That's pretty important on all of the perimeter switches and playing ball handlers off the pick and roll in today's NBA. Don't know ow about his foot injury and what that means long term. Not necessarily encouraging.

Hopefully Sorber injury is going to be good to go by next season and not a big deal. But also hopefully he stays in the draft and doesn't decide hey I'm not going to be drafted high enough to out pay what he's getting in NIL payments. He's my favorite at the moment, but even if we don't draft him we want him in the draft to make the draft as deep as possible.

[somuchyummy]

I want a defense first 4/5 or a true 5. Sorber seems like ! 4/5. Laterally I thought he moved better than any other of the bigs on defense. That's pretty important on all of the perimeter switches and playing ball handlers off the pick and roll in today's NBA. Don't know ow about his foot injury and what that means long term. Not necessarily encouraging.

Hopefully Sorber injury is going to be good to go by next season and not a big deal. But also hopefully he stays in the draft and doesn't decide hey I'm not going to be drafted high enough to out pay what he's getting in NIL payments. He's my favorite at the moment, but even if we don't draft him we want him in the draft to make the draft as deep as possible.

Good point. That early second is a really nice pick - and the more players who stay in the draft just means better talent being available at it.

[somuchyummy]

Wasserman has a new two rounder out today. Has us taking French PG Nolan Traore in the first - with sorber, Fleming, essengue and wolf all still available. Then in the second round - woohoo - they had us taking my guy Raynaud. Two frenchies I guess to gift Rudy. Here's his writeups for both.


18. Minnesota Timberwolves (via Pistons): Nolan Traore (Saint Quentin, PG)
Previous Mock Position: No. 18
Size: 6’4″, 184 lbs
Age: 18
Nationality: France
Pro Comparison: Lonzo Ball
Nolan Traore has been finding more ways to score lately, mostly by recognizing space and picking the right time to hit turbo and burst through driving lanes.

Scouts still have questions about his shooting and touch, with Traore at 28.2 percent on threes, 71.0 percent on free throws and 31.8 percent on floaters.

But he has good command with his handle to capitalize when the defense gives something up. And he’s been relatively efficient finishing around the basket, despite lacking strength or explosion.

His signature passing IQ remains the main draw, while front offices will continue debating the translatability of his rim pressure, the chances of his perimeter shotmaking improving, and if it doesn’t, what Traore’s outcome looks like.



32. Minnesota Timberwolves (via Jazz): Maxime Raynaud (Stanford, C)
Previous Mock Position: No. 31
Size: 7’1″, 250 lbs
Age: 21
Nationality: France
Pro Comparison: Alex Len
Maxime Raynaud’s entire body of work this year has been strong enough for his draft stock to withstand a recent cold stretch.

His 20.1 points per game are coming off such a high level of offensive skill for a 7’1″ big man. NBA teams will be drawn to his floor-spacing 1.8 threes per game, but the ability to attack closeouts and use the dribble have created more scoring versatility. And he continues to excel in the post with his footwork and touch over both shoulders.

The lack of rim protection may limit him to reserve minutes at the next level, but teams could still see value in the 20s in a stretch 5 and finishing target who can also create for himself from different spots in the half court.


(I'll add my own two cents on Wasserman's defensive assessment of Raynaud. It's true he likely won't provide much rim protection, but he's a pretty impressive combo of solid core strength (he puts a lot of time in the weight room - can deadlift 460, so he's not a soft 250 lbs) and surprising mobility. I think as a defender against solidly built NBA centers, he'll hold his own - and may be more switchable than thought.)

[somuchyummy]

Givony and Woo with a new one this morning from ESPN. Some shakeups - as is normal for this time of year. Gotta keep mixing it up for the readership, right?

Maluach at 7 to the Raptors
Demin all the way up to 9 - Blazers (why? they already have his comp in a very affordable Avdija)
Queen at 10 - Bulls
Here's a crazy one - Beringer at 15 to the Magic (he was in the 40s in another mock this week)
Murray-Boyles at 16 - Spurs
Essengue at 17 to the Thunder - this one makes a lot of sense for them
Danny Wolf all the way up to 18 to the Pacers - I can see that

Arizona bench SF/PF Carter Bryant to the Timberwolves at 19

Asa Newell at 20 - Nets
Rasheer Fleming 21 to the Jazz
Sorber all the way down to 25 - Hawks
Condon - 26 Nets
Thiero - 28 to the Celts
Penda - 29 to the Clippers
Kalkbrenner - 30 to the Suns (I have NEVER seen him in the first before - this is odd)

PG/SG Sergio de Larrea at 32 to us

Karaban - 33 to Charlotte
Ruzic - 35 to Philly
Raynaud - 36 to the Nets (again weird, having them take Condon also ten picks earlier)
Toohey - 37 to the Pistons
Broome - 41 to Washington
Darrion Williams - 44 to Chicago
Eric Dixon - 45 to the Magic (I don't think I've ever seen him in a mock)
Kam Jones - 46 to OKC (again - odd. He went 15 in another major mock this week)
my guy Dink Pate - 48 to the Pacers
Grunloh - 50 to the Cavs
Zikarsky - 51 to LAC
Markovic - 52 to Washington
Lendeborg - 53 to the Grizzlies (this feels like another late second Memphis coup)
JT Toppin - 54 to the Knicks (please no - this kid is way better than 54)
Faye - 56 to the Suns

Just a look at where (mostly) the bigs are going in this latest spaghetti on the wall from ESPN. I would not be thrilled with this for us.

[somuchyummy]

I'm going to vent a bit here in hopes that we use some sense and not follow this ESPN script by taking Arizona F Carter Bryant at 15. What an absolute leap of faith swing for the fences, when what we need is something more solid. Carter comes off the bench for AZ. 18 mpg. 6.4 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 1.1 apg. Everything about him is pure projection. Because that's what happens around draft time. Read his draft analysis and it's just a litany of shortcomings. The good? He plays with energy, physicality and a high motor. Which is something you could say about 85% of college players.

Here's a good comp. A couple years ago - 19 year old Arkansas PF Trevon Brazile was in a similar situation. Bouncy, high energy athlete - mocked into the late lottery. A lot of it fueled by a ridiculous highlight dunk - perhaps the college dunk of the year. He stayed in school - he tore his ACL - he's now a 22 year old Junior who is no longer mentioned in either round of the draft. He'll be a UDFA. Even though he's rehabbed his ACL and still has a 41 inch vertical. Bigger and longer than Bryant (6-10 to 6-8 - 7-4 WS to 7-0 WS). Pretty much the same low stat lines as Bryant - and while Bryant is touted has having a nice three point stroke, it sits at 35% for his one year in school - compared to Brazile's 37% mark in 3 years.

It just makes way more sense for us to give Brazile a phone call after the draft - than to blow our wad on Carter Bryant in the first. Take someone with our Detroit pick that isn't all pure projection with no meat.

[Mnwild1128]

I'm going to vent a bit here in hopes that we use some sense and not follow this ESPN script by taking Arizona F Carter Bryant at 15. What an absolute leap of faith swing for the fences, when what we need is something more solid. Carter comes off the bench for AZ. 18 mpg. 6.4 ppg, 3.9 rpg, 1.1 apg. Everything about him is pure projection. Because that's what happens around draft time. Read his draft analysis and it's just a litany of shortcomings. The good? He plays with energy, physicality and a high motor. Which is something you could say about 85% of college players.

Here's a good comp. A couple years ago - 19 year old Arkansas PF Trevon Brazile was in a similar situation. Bouncy, high energy athlete - mocked into the late lottery. A lot of it fueled by a ridiculous highlight dunk - perhaps the college dunk of the year. He stayed in school - he tore his ACL - he's now a 22 year old Junior who is no longer mentioned in either round of the draft. He'll be a UDFA. Even though he's rehabbed his ACL and still has a 41 inch vertical. Bigger and longer than Bryant (6-10 to 6-8 - 7-4 WS to 7-0 WS). Pretty much the same low stat lines as Bryant - and while Bryant is touted has having a nice three point stroke, it sits at 35% for his one year in school - compared to Brazile's 37% mark in 3 years.

It just makes way more sense for us to give Brazile a phone call after the draft - than to blow our wad on Carter Bryant in the first. Take someone with our Detroit pick that isn't all pure projection with no meat.

Love him. Major sleeper

[somuchyummy]

who? Bryant or Brazile? I'll guess Brazile - because Carter isn't much of a sleeper anymore.

[Mnwild1128]

who? Bryant or Brazile? I'll guess Brazile - because Carter isn't much of a sleeper anymore.

Carter.....

[somuchyummy]

we are of opposite opinions then. I think the first this year is a good opportunity to land a sure thing and not a projection.

[Mnwild1128]

we are of opposite opinions then. I think the first this year is a good opportunity to land a sure thing and not a projection.

Agreed. Could not disagree more. Whether it is pick 14 or pick 20, there most definitely won't be any "sure things" in that draft range. All projections.

[YBBR]

Fleming is an interesting player. His first step seems quick, and seems to be pretty comfortable playing face up and driving to the basket. He's pretty athletic. Package of TNT for real on his dunks. His outside shot also looks good. He kind of reminds me of like an Obi Toppin type of player or like a Jarred Vanderbilt with how dynamic he seems to move.

This is me just watching his highlights for disclosure.

[somuchyummy]

I think both Sorber or Fleming would be more ready to contribute early. I know Bryant is on a very good AZ team - but he doesn't start. The Fs playing more than him aren't stars by any means. Tons of college freshman start for their teams and some of those teams are very good. So i kind of wonder why a coach doesn't play a guy - who is now often projected late lottery mid teens - more.

[somuchyummy]

Interesting head to head matchup at 2:30 today (CBS) between two first round bigs - Maryland's Derik Queen and Michigan's Danny Wolf. Not exactly head to head, as Queen plays C for the Terrapins and Wolf PF for the Wolverines. Nonetheless, a good chance to see how they stack up. In their previous matchup this year, Wolf went 20/8/4 in a 6 point loss. Queen 17/12/1 in the win. Pretty much across the board, Queen is being mocked as a lottery guy - sometimes as high as mid lottery. Wolf more to the middle and back end of the first round. No Ceilings (which is a site i've come to like) put out their latest two rounder yesterday. They have Queen going 7th to OKC - and Wolf landing to us at 18.

[twolves31]

Tennessee beats Auburn by 5 in a game Broome misses 7 free throws.

[somuchyummy]

still a half to play - but Wolf has looked awfully good. Michigan up by 4 - Queen with 11, but Wolf is stuffing the stat sheet more - and has had three direct matchups scoring on Queen inside with relative ease.

Sometimes when Wolf is handling the ball it's easy to forget he's 7-0 250 - looks more like a SF. There's a lot to love about Wolf - the bbiq, the size, the passing, the handle - but what is especially cool about him IMO are the basic fundamentals he employs in rebounding. He's not the most athletic guy at all, and not the longest, and i'm sure his vert isn't too good - but he always looks for someone to box out. Always looking to negate an opponent's ability to get the ball - and that goes a really long way in securing rebounds when you're as big as he is. He leads the Big Ten in rebounds - and you can see why. Today - against Maryland and Derik Queen, Wolf has 13 boards with 11 mins to go. Queen has 3.

[thinktank]

still a half to play - but Wolf has looked awfully good. Michigan up by 4 - Queen with 11, but Wolf is stuffing the stat sheet more - and has had three direct matchups scoring on Queen inside with relative ease.

Sometimes when Wolf is handling the ball it's easy to forget he's 7-0 250 - looks more like a SF. There's a lot to love about Wolf - the bbiq, the size, the passing, the handle - but what is especially cool about him IMO are the basic fundamentals he employs in rebounding. He's not the most athletic guy at all, and not the longest, and i'm sure his vert isn't too good - but he always looks for someone to box out. Always looking to negate an opponent's ability to get the ball - and that goes a really long way in securing rebounds when you're as big as he is. He leads the Big Ten in rebounds - and you can see why. Today - against Maryland and Derik Queen, Wolf has 13 boards with 11 mins to go. Queen has 3.

That’s intriguing about the boxing out. These days that skill can’t seem to be taught.

[somuchyummy]

still a half to play - but Wolf has looked awfully good. Michigan up by 4 - Queen with 11, but Wolf is stuffing the stat sheet more - and has had three direct matchups scoring on Queen inside with relative ease.

Sometimes when Wolf is handling the ball it's easy to forget he's 7-0 250 - looks more like a SF. There's a lot to love about Wolf - the bbiq, the size, the passing, the handle - but what is especially cool about him IMO are the basic fundamentals he employs in rebounding. He's not the most athletic guy at all, and not the longest, and i'm sure his vert isn't too good - but he always looks for someone to box out. Always looking to negate an opponent's ability to get the ball - and that goes a really long way in securing rebounds when you're as big as he is. He leads the Big Ten in rebounds - and you can see why. Today - against Maryland and Derik Queen, Wolf has 13 boards with 11 mins to go. Queen has 3.

That’s intriguing about the boxing out. These days that skill can’t seem to be taught.

Queen finished with a very good 31 points. But he had only 3 rebounds and 0 assists. Wolf finished IMO a more impressive 21/14/4. In any event, if most of the other bigs we might want at 18 are already gone, i felt a lot better about Wolf after watching him in a pretty big matchup today. His work in getting the ball to his big C Goldin (25 pts) in great scoring spots is impressive - and could work really well here.

[twolves31]

Washington's win last night gives Utah the worst record in the NBA at the moment moving that 2nd round pick we get from them to pick 31. Hopefully Utah can stay there.

[somuchyummy]

Washington's win last night gives Utah the worst record in the NBA at the moment moving that 2nd round pick we get from them to pick 31. Hopefully Utah can stay there.

Double bonus from last night - Detroit's loss drops our pick from them to 17th.

[somuchyummy]

Two new two round mocks out today - SI and Fansided.

SI has us taking Egor Demin at 17 and Alex Karaban at 31. Fansided has us going Ben Saraf in the first, Miles Byrd in the second.

As for my usual suspects of bigs and others of note, I'll list where Fansided has them going first, then SI.

Jeremiah Fears - all the way up to 5, and 9
Collins Murray-Boyles - 6 and 8
Khaman Maluach - 7 and 6
Noa Essengue - 8 and 18
Derik Queen - 11 and 10
Karparas Jakucionis - all the way back at 14, and more like it at 5
Kam Jones - 15 and 24
Asa Newell - 16 and 14
Noah Penda - rising. 18 and 23
Egor Demin - 19 and 17
Thomas Sorber - 20 and 20
Carter Bryant - 23 and 22
Danny Wolf - 24 and 21
Rasheer Fleming - 25 and 12. Whoa.
Johni Broome - 28 and 38
Maxime Raynaud - my guy, first time as a first rounder - 30 and 52
Yaxel Lendeborg - 32 and 44
Flory Bidunga - 33 and undrafted. REALLY high from Fansided, he's often not mocked
Alex Condon - 35 and undrafted.
Adou Thiero - 39 and 34
Joan Beringer - 41 and 48. This is a project sometimes mocked as a mid first.
Boguljub Markovic - 42 and 41
Ryan Kalkbrenner - 45 and 56
Alex Karaban - 46 and 31
Dink Pate - 47 and 45
JT Toppin - huge disparity again. 54 and 25
Rocco Zikarsky - 56 and 58

[somuchyummy]

I know it may seem odd that I regularly post draft ideas and opinions, etc on this thread while our team is in the midst of a playoff hunt.

Last nights incredibly dumb loss to the Pacers is why.

[somuchyummy]

Tankathon's latest.

Flagg - 1
Newell - 8
Maluach - 10
Essengue - 11
Queen - 12
Murray-Boyles 14
Demin - 16

UConn SF Liam McNeely to the Timberwolves at 17

Sorber -19
Wolf - 20
Fleming - 22
Penda - 26
Broome - 30

Texas Tech PF JT Toppin to the Timberwolves at 31

Thiero - 32
Beringer - 33
Lendeborg - 34
Bryant - 35
Kalkbrenner - 36
Karaban - 37
Condon - 39
Pate - 42
Markovic - 43
Ruzic - 46
Zikarsky - 47
Raynaud - 51
Grunloh - 52
T Ivisic - 57
Dixon - 59

[twolves31]

Tankathon's latest.

Flagg - 1
Newell - 8
Maluach - 10
Essengue - 11
Queen - 12
Murray-Boyles 14
Demin - 16

UConn SF Liam McNeely to the Timberwolves at 17

Sorber -19
Wolf - 20
Fleming - 22
Penda - 26
Broome - 30

Texas Tech PF JT Toppin to the Timberwolves at 31

Thiero - 32
Beringer - 33
Lendeborg - 34
Bryant - 35
Kalkbrenner - 36
Karaban - 37
Condon - 39
Pate - 42
Markovic - 43
Ruzic - 46
Zikarsky - 47
Raynaud - 51
Grunloh - 52
T Ivisic - 57
Dixon - 59

Any of some of these non centers mocked to us worth taking as best player available from some of these mocks? Toppin, McNeely, Demin, Karaban Bryant?

[witljon]

I know it may seem odd that I regularly post draft ideas and opinions, etc on this thread while our team is in the midst of a playoff hunt.

Last nights incredibly dumb loss to the Pacers is why.

I was much more into the draft when we sucked.

[somuchyummy]

Tankathon's latest.

Flagg - 1
Newell - 8
Maluach - 10
Essengue - 11
Queen - 12
Murray-Boyles 14
Demin - 16

UConn SF Liam McNeely to the Timberwolves at 17

Sorber -19
Wolf - 20
Fleming - 22
Penda - 26
Broome - 30

Texas Tech PF JT Toppin to the Timberwolves at 31

Thiero - 32
Beringer - 33
Lendeborg - 34
Bryant - 35
Kalkbrenner - 36
Karaban - 37
Condon - 39
Pate - 42
Markovic - 43
Ruzic - 46
Zikarsky - 47
Raynaud - 51
Grunloh - 52
T Ivisic - 57
Dixon - 59

Any of some of these non centers mocked to us worth taking as best player available from some of these mocks? Toppin, McNeely, Demin, Karaban Bryant?

I like some of them better than others. But IMO a big is more needed. Things would have to happen in order for it to make sense to add another good wing. For example, a loss of Randle to FA and then a move of Jaden to PF. Or something along those lines plus NAW leaving.

McNeely is the most regularly highest rated of the bunch - he's rarely out of the lottery, so it would be interesting to see him available at our pick. But he's clearly a SF and not a PF - so it doesn't make much sense if we've got all of Jaden, NAW and TSJ fighting for SF minutes - or even just Jaden and TSJ. Shannon has earned court time.

Demin is also highly rated - very much a different player than McNeely. McNeely's best attribute is shooting (although he's pretty well rounded) - Demin is one of the best passers/court vision guys in the draft - and if he can actually play PG, that's pretty cool at 6-9. He'd be a Giddey type - or maybe Kyle Anderson-like (although not as long). Trouble with Demin is his shot. But if he can play PG - that's an interesting move considering the upcoming loss of Mike.

Karaban in the second is a thought. Athletically limited, but he's just a baller who knows the game and makes his teammates better. He could have a Joe Ingles like career - and is big enough to play both F spots.

Toppin is a conundrum. He just keeps playing great - he's got a great motor and is really athletic - very productive. And then you'll see his mock stock anywhere from early 20s to early 50s. Not sure what the story is with him. I see his pro spot as PF. 6-9 225 plus 7 foot WS. Maybe a comp would be Precious Achiuwa.

I'm still hoping we get a first round talent PF/C - Sorber, Fleming, Wolf come to mind - and then doubling down in the second with a huge C like Raynaud. Watching Luka lately really makes me see his clear limitations and that he probably should be sent packing this summer - no matter how much Finch likes him. You shouldn't keep a roster spot for a guy simply because he doesn't cause any headaches for the coach.

[thinktank]

If you’re drafting a wing, he better be BPA and it doesn’t matter what we have on the roster if you take him.

You take him BECAUSE you think he’ll take time from guys we already have (TSJ, McDaniels SF minutes, NAW, etc.).

[somuchyummy]

I completely disagree with that from where we are as a team. We don't need double parts - and certainly not triple parts. We need to fix some holes. If the idea is - oh, then we'll just trade that guy, TSJ or whoever, more than likely you won't be getting equal value back. There's zero reason to think that Ben Saraf or Nique Clifford are going to be any better pros than Thomas Sorber or Rasheer Fleming - so you go with the big.

I'll take it a step further. Instead of matching Sorber up with Saraf and Clifford - I'll match him up to the aforementioned McNeeley. If they are both available at 17, I'd still take Sorber. Why? Because Sorber's stock has dropped with his foot injury - and, of course, all the medicals need to be cleared so that the injury isn't a big worry. But assuming he'll be back healthy - I'd take Sorber. Without the injury, he was usually mocked mid first - and often in the lottery - so nearly in the same vicinity as McNeeley.

If you look at their stats, it's a pretty good apples to apples look - both being freshman, and both just playing over 30 mpg. UConn plays the tougher schedule - but Georgetown still has plenty of tough opponents. Both high motor guys who help their teams in multiple ways.

McNeeley - 25 games - 32.0 mpg - 14.5 ppg - 6.1 rpg - 2.3 apg - 0.7 stocks - 2.0 TOVs - on 44%/33%/86% shooting
T Sorber - 24 games - 31.3 mpg - 14.5 ppg - 8.4 rpg - 2.4 apg - 3.5 stocks - 2.3 TOVs - on 60%/16%/72% shooting

I'm not saying that McNeeley will fail as a pro. I'm just saying I don't think the evidence is there pre-draft to believe that McNeeley is the superior player to Sorber - especially considering that Sorber has a much better defensive projection. And we need a big, not another Wing. It's funny in a way - and so indicative of the preference for youth - that McNeeley is mocked so much higher than his teammate F Alex Karaban, whom he bears some resemblance to. Hard worker, multi-skilled, helps his teammates. But Karaban will likely go in the second round because he's a 22 year old Jr, and McNeeley is 19. If you look at Karaban's stats this year, they are mostly superior.

Karaban - 30 games - 35.8 mpg - 14.4 ppg - 5.2 rpg - 2.9 apg - 2.1 stocks - 1.3 TOVs - on 53%/36%/84% shooting

[somuchyummy]

BR's latest mock. Again - I'm just noting our picks plus all the PF/Cs taken.

Flagg- 1 to Utah
Queen - all the way to 5 to the Nets
Maluach - 7 Raptors
Newell - 12 Rockets
Murray-Boyles - 13 Mavs
Essengue - 15 Magic
Bryant -16 Spurs

Israeli PG Ben Saraf- 17 to us

Penda - 18 OKC
Fleming - 23 Hawks
Sorber - 24 Magic
Demin - 25 Wiz
Lendeborg - 29 Clippers
Wolf - 30 Suns

Auburn C/PF Johni Broome - 31 to us

Raynaud - 32 Celtics
Markovic - 33 Hornets
Toppin - 34 Hornets
Beringer - 35 Nets
Thiero - 40 Raptors
Kalkbrenner - 41 GSW
Condon - 42 Wiz
Ruzic - 45 Jazz
Karaban - 49 Pacers
Faye - 54 Rockets
Z Ivisic - 55 Knicks
Dixon - 56 Suns
Zikarsky - 58 Rockets

[Small Hands]

I completely disagree with that from where we are as a team. We don't need double parts - and certainly not triple parts. We need to fix some holes. If the idea is - oh, then we'll just trade that guy, TSJ or whoever, more than likely you won't be getting equal value back. There's zero reason to think that Ben Saraf or Nique Clifford are going to be any better pros than Thomas Sorber or Rasheer Fleming - so you go with the big.

I'll take it a step further. Instead of matching Sorber up with Saraf and Clifford - I'll match him up to the aforementioned McNeeley. If they are both available at 17, I'd still take Sorber. Why? Because Sorber's stock has dropped with his foot injury - and, of course, all the medicals need to be cleared so that the injury isn't a big worry. But assuming he'll be back healthy - I'd take Sorber. Without the injury, he was usually mocked mid first - and often in the lottery - so nearly in the same vicinity as McNeeley.

If you look at their stats, it's a pretty good apples to apples look - both being freshman, and both just playing over 30 mpg. UConn plays the tougher schedule - but Georgetown still has plenty of tough opponents. Both high motor guys who help their teams in multiple ways.

McNeeley - 25 games - 32.0 mpg - 14.5 ppg - 6.1 rpg - 2.3 apg - 0.7 stocks - 2.0 TOVs - on 44%/33%/86% shooting
T Sorber - 24 games - 31.3 mpg - 14.5 ppg - 8.4 rpg - 2.4 apg - 3.5 stocks - 2.3 TOVs - on 60%/16%/72% shooting

I'm not saying that McNeeley will fail as a pro. I'm just saying I don't think the evidence is there pre-draft to believe that McNeeley is the superior player to Sorber - especially considering that Sorber has a much better defensive projection. And we need a big, not another Wing. It's funny in a way - and so indicative of the preference for youth - that McNeeley is mocked so much higher than his teammate F Alex Karaban, whom he bears some resemblance to. Hard worker, multi-skilled, helps his teammates. But Karaban will likely go in the second round because he's a 22 year old Jr, and McNeeley is 19. If you look at Karaban's stats this year, they are mostly superior.

Karaban - 30 games - 35.8 mpg - 14.4 ppg - 5.2 rpg - 2.9 apg - 2.1 stocks - 1.3 TOVs - on 53%/36%/84% shooting

Saw a mock today that had us taking McNeeley at 17.