My prediction? Vikings trade up and draft J.J. McCarthy

[Small Hands]

I guess I was thinking of possibly a good edge rusher.

Plenty of those... maybe? They did sign two of them though in FA.

I think a truly championship level defense needs to go 3-4 deep on pass rushers.
Plus, Van Ginkel is probably best as your team’s #3.

They could definitely use another pass rusher with double digit sack upside.

Those guys don’t grow on trees. They let two of them go last week.

[Oriole81]

Plenty of those... maybe? They did sign two of them though in FA.

I think a truly championship level defense needs to go 3-4 deep on pass rushers.
Plus, Van Ginkel is probably best as your team’s #3.

They could definitely use another pass rusher with double digit sack upside.

Those guys don’t grow on trees. They let two of them go last week.

Greenard is already double digits, so you’d just have to find another pass rusher that can feed off of lesser competition.
But asking Van Ginkel to just become that is probably setting him up for failure.

[Small Hands]

I think a truly championship level defense needs to go 3-4 deep on pass rushers.
Plus, Van Ginkel is probably best as your team’s #3.

They could definitely use another pass rusher with double digit sack upside.

Those guys don’t grow on trees. They let two of them go last week.

Greenard is already double digits, so you’d just have to find another pass rusher that can feed off of lesser competition.
But asking Van Ginkel to just become that is probably setting him up for failure.

I don’t think they are going to ask that of Van Ginkel. He is a Flores system guy. He’s an average pass rusher and a disrupter. They are going to have to make up for losses by committee. Greenard is the sack specialist and the rest is going to be by committee. Losing Wonnum was far more significant than some rubes in here think. I think they are going to take a step backwards from last year defensively. Unless, they address the CB position somehow. Whether it’s a trade or taking one at 11, I don’t care. They cannot be okay with what we have. Goff and Love picked them apart last year.

[Oriole81]

Those guys don’t grow on trees. They let two of them go last week.

Greenard is already double digits, so you’d just have to find another pass rusher that can feed off of lesser competition.
But asking Van Ginkel to just become that is probably setting him up for failure.

I don’t think they are going to ask that of Van Ginkel. He is a Flores system guy. He’s an average pass rusher and a disrupter. They are going to have to make up for losses by committee. Greenard is the sack specialist and the rest is going to be by committee. Losing Wonnum was far more significant than some rubes in here think. I think they are going to take a step backwards from last year defensively. Unless, they address the CB position somehow. Whether it’s a trade or taking one at 11, I don’t care. They cannot be okay with what we have. Goff and Love picked them apart last year.

Committee doesn't work long term. You could tell with us, by the end of the year our defense was gassed.
Committe may have worked in NE (where Flores came from), but that's not always transferrable when you don't have Brady and Belichick on the other side, because they impact the game so much and give the defense advantageous situations.

It may not happen this year because we are probably using our firsts towards the QB, but at some point before we can become a serious championship contender, they will need to find another great defensive player.
It's a good thing we have $100M in cap space next year.

[Beef Supreme]

I think a truly championship level defense needs to go 3-4 deep on pass rushers.
Plus, Van Ginkel is probably best as your team’s #3.

They could definitely use another pass rusher with double digit sack upside.

Those guys don’t grow on trees. They let two of them go last week.

Greenard is already double digits, so you’d just have to find another pass rusher that can feed off of lesser competition.
But asking Van Ginkel to just become that is probably setting him up for failure.

Flores best year in Miami was 2020. That year the dolphins were the 6th best defense in points against.

That year, they didn’t have a single player with 10 or more sacks, despite being tied for 10th in the league with 41 sacks.


In 2021 again no player had 10 sacks or more and the team was tied for 5th in the league with 48 sacks.


His crazy blitzing scheme seems to spread the wealth around. Maybe we don’t need a couple 10+ sack guys. Maybe we need 4 or 5 that can get 6-8 sacks.

[minnemike]

Greenard is already double digits, so you’d just have to find another pass rusher that can feed off of lesser competition.
But asking Van Ginkel to just become that is probably setting him up for failure.

I don’t think they are going to ask that of Van Ginkel. He is a Flores system guy. He’s an average pass rusher and a disrupter. They are going to have to make up for losses by committee. Greenard is the sack specialist and the rest is going to be by committee. Losing Wonnum was far more significant than some rubes in here think. I think they are going to take a step backwards from last year defensively. Unless, they address the CB position somehow. Whether it’s a trade or taking one at 11, I don’t care. They cannot be okay with what we have. Goff and Love picked them apart last year.

Committee doesn't work long term. You could tell with us, by the end of the year our defense was gassed.
Committe may have worked in NE (where Flores came from), but that's not always transferrable when you don't have Brady and Belichick on the other side, because they impact the game so much and give the defense advantageous situations.

It may not happen this year because we are probably using our firsts towards the QB, but at some point before we can become a serious championship contender, they will need to find another great defensive player.
It's a good thing we have $100M in cap space next year.

Would be nice to get one on the cheap as a rookie but as you alluded to, next year cap space gives them pole position to sign a stud.

[Señor Trumpo]

I heard a rumor on one of the Viking pundits Youtube channels over the weekend is that Kwesi loves Drake Maye and KOC loves JJ McCarthy. This is going to come down to the pro-days, interviews and top 30 visits to decide which one it will be. It sounds like they can take JJ McCarthy in a trade with AZ and probably not give up an additional 1st in 2025 but probably another 3rd. If they trade up with New England or Washington for Drake Maye then a 2025 1st and more would have to be included.

[Oriole81]

Those guys don’t grow on trees. They let two of them go last week.

Greenard is already double digits, so you’d just have to find another pass rusher that can feed off of lesser competition.
But asking Van Ginkel to just become that is probably setting him up for failure.

Flores best year in Miami was 2020. That year the dolphins were the 6th best defense in points against.

That year, they didn’t have a single player with 10 or more sacks, despite being tied for 10th in the league with 41 sacks.


In 2021 again no player had 10 sacks or more and the team was tied for 5th in the league with 48 sacks.


His crazy blitzing scheme seems to spread the wealth around. Maybe we don’t need a couple 10+ sack guys. Maybe we need 4 or 5 that can get 6-8 sacks.

Fair enough.
Getting 4-5 guys that can get to 6-8 sacks is still "expensive" though, and can take years to get to.
It probably costs multiple mid round picks over multiple drafts, and that presumes that you're developing those guys at a higher than normal percentage.
And then routinely being able to have new guys ready to come in, because you probably don't want to sign these guys to their 2nd contract.

Ultimately, I've said on here many times though, that if you're good at your job, then there's tons of ways to win.
If you're routinely developing mid round guys at any position, then you'll have a window.

But, there's also something to be said for using the strengths of your defensive coordinator, and applying them to a top rated prospect and having them become an absolute monster. The Pats still at various points had guys like that in Wilfork, Chandler Jones and Seymour, and Wilkins kinda became that eventually in Miami after Flores was let go.

This whole hypothetical was based on a world where we were not using the first round picks to move up for a QB, so if that was the case, then there could be something said for taking Verse or Latu at 11. That guy (even if they're not a Parsons level individual talent) would still be in position to hit his personal peak when paired with Flores and a tandem of Greenard/Van Ginkel, and you could probably get some level of return immediately.

Ultimately though, just do your jobs and draft/develop consistently, and you can do anything.

[Beef Supreme]

Greenard is already double digits, so you’d just have to find another pass rusher that can feed off of lesser competition.
But asking Van Ginkel to just become that is probably setting him up for failure.

Flores best year in Miami was 2020. That year the dolphins were the 6th best defense in points against.

That year, they didn’t have a single player with 10 or more sacks, despite being tied for 10th in the league with 41 sacks.


In 2021 again no player had 10 sacks or more and the team was tied for 5th in the league with 48 sacks.


His crazy blitzing scheme seems to spread the wealth around. Maybe we don’t need a couple 10+ sack guys. Maybe we need 4 or 5 that can get 6-8 sacks.

Fair enough.
Getting 4-5 guys that can get to 6-8 sacks is still "expensive" though, and can take years to get to.
It probably costs multiple mid round picks over multiple drafts, and that presumes that you're developing those guys at a higher than normal percentage.
And then routinely being able to have new guys ready to come in, because you probably don't want to sign these guys to their 2nd contract.

Ultimately, I've said on here many times though, that if you're good at your job, then there's tons of ways to win.
If you're routinely developing mid round guys at any position, then you'll have a window.

But, there's also something to be said for using the strengths of your defensive coordinator, and applying them to a top rated prospect and having them become an absolute monster. The Pats still at various points had guys like that in Wilfork, Chandler Jones and Seymour, and Wilkins kinda became that eventually in Miami after Flores was let go.

This whole hypothetical was based on a world where we were not using the first round picks to move up for a QB, so if that was the case, then there could be something said for taking Verse or Latu at 11. That guy (even if they're not a Parsons level individual talent) would still be in position to hit his personal peak when paired with Flores and a tandem of Greenard/Van Ginkel, and you could probably get some level of return immediately.

Ultimately though, just do your jobs and draft/develop consistently, and you can do anything.

Verse, Turner, or Latu would all be good choices at 11 in this draft if we’re stuck there and the top-4 QBs were gone. They’re all good prospects. The point is that the top-end strength of this draft is at QB, OT, and WR. Of those positions, we have a dire need at QB and not much need at the other 2. So Verse at 11 is logical and defensible and he’s a good prospect that would help. But after the top-8 or so picks (depending on your evaluation of guys like Bowers and Newton), this draft plateaus quickly.

But the overall point is true. Building a championship roster is hard. There are many different ways to do it, but none of them are easy. So the fact that a path is hard is not a reason not to try it. It’s all hard. The hard is what makes it great.

[Oriole81]

Flores best year in Miami was 2020. That year the dolphins were the 6th best defense in points against.

That year, they didn’t have a single player with 10 or more sacks, despite being tied for 10th in the league with 41 sacks.


In 2021 again no player had 10 sacks or more and the team was tied for 5th in the league with 48 sacks.


His crazy blitzing scheme seems to spread the wealth around. Maybe we don’t need a couple 10+ sack guys. Maybe we need 4 or 5 that can get 6-8 sacks.

Fair enough.
Getting 4-5 guys that can get to 6-8 sacks is still "expensive" though, and can take years to get to.
It probably costs multiple mid round picks over multiple drafts, and that presumes that you're developing those guys at a higher than normal percentage.
And then routinely being able to have new guys ready to come in, because you probably don't want to sign these guys to their 2nd contract.

Ultimately, I've said on here many times though, that if you're good at your job, then there's tons of ways to win.
If you're routinely developing mid round guys at any position, then you'll have a window.

But, there's also something to be said for using the strengths of your defensive coordinator, and applying them to a top rated prospect and having them become an absolute monster. The Pats still at various points had guys like that in Wilfork, Chandler Jones and Seymour, and Wilkins kinda became that eventually in Miami after Flores was let go.

This whole hypothetical was based on a world where we were not using the first round picks to move up for a QB, so if that was the case, then there could be something said for taking Verse or Latu at 11. That guy (even if they're not a Parsons level individual talent) would still be in position to hit his personal peak when paired with Flores and a tandem of Greenard/Van Ginkel, and you could probably get some level of return immediately.

Ultimately though, just do your jobs and draft/develop consistently, and you can do anything.

Verse, Turner, or Latu would all be good choices at 11 in this draft if we’re stuck there and the top-4 QBs were gone. They’re all good prospects. The point is that the top-end strength of this draft is at QB, OT, and WR. Of those positions, we have a dire need at QB and not much need at the other 2. So Verse at 11 is logical and defensible and he’s a good prospect that would help. But after the top-8 or so picks (depending on your evaluation of guys like Bowers and Newton), this draft plateaus quickly.

But the overall point is true. Building a championship roster is hard. There are many different ways to do it, but none of them are easy. So the fact that a path is hard is not a reason not to try it. It’s all hard. The hard is what makes it great.

And this whole side convo was based on a premise that the Hou trade could have been done as a means of taking someone else at 11 and then getting your QB with the other #1 pick.
I don't think that was the point of the trade and I do think that QB is the eventual target. But this just made for a fun side convo.

[Beef Supreme]

Fair enough.
Getting 4-5 guys that can get to 6-8 sacks is still "expensive" though, and can take years to get to.
It probably costs multiple mid round picks over multiple drafts, and that presumes that you're developing those guys at a higher than normal percentage.
And then routinely being able to have new guys ready to come in, because you probably don't want to sign these guys to their 2nd contract.

Ultimately, I've said on here many times though, that if you're good at your job, then there's tons of ways to win.
If you're routinely developing mid round guys at any position, then you'll have a window.

But, there's also something to be said for using the strengths of your defensive coordinator, and applying them to a top rated prospect and having them become an absolute monster. The Pats still at various points had guys like that in Wilfork, Chandler Jones and Seymour, and Wilkins kinda became that eventually in Miami after Flores was let go.

This whole hypothetical was based on a world where we were not using the first round picks to move up for a QB, so if that was the case, then there could be something said for taking Verse or Latu at 11. That guy (even if they're not a Parsons level individual talent) would still be in position to hit his personal peak when paired with Flores and a tandem of Greenard/Van Ginkel, and you could probably get some level of return immediately.

Ultimately though, just do your jobs and draft/develop consistently, and you can do anything.

Verse, Turner, or Latu would all be good choices at 11 in this draft if we’re stuck there and the top-4 QBs were gone. They’re all good prospects. The point is that the top-end strength of this draft is at QB, OT, and WR. Of those positions, we have a dire need at QB and not much need at the other 2. So Verse at 11 is logical and defensible and he’s a good prospect that would help. But after the top-8 or so picks (depending on your evaluation of guys like Bowers and Newton), this draft plateaus quickly.

But the overall point is true. Building a championship roster is hard. There are many different ways to do it, but none of them are easy. So the fact that a path is hard is not a reason not to try it. It’s all hard. The hard is what makes it great.

And this whole side convo was based on a premise that the Hou trade could have been done as a means of taking someone else at 11 and then getting your QB with the other #1 pick.
I don't think that was the point of the trade and I do think that QB is the eventual target. But this just made for a fun side convo.

Sure.

Turner/Verse/Newton and Nix/Penix could happen and might work out well when it’s all said and done. But I doubt that’s the goal.

[weimy froob]

I heard a rumor on one of the Viking pundits Youtube channels over the weekend is that Kwesi loves Drake Maye and KOC loves JJ McCarthy. This is going to come down to the pro-days, interviews and top 30 visits to decide which one it will be. It sounds like they can take JJ McCarthy in a trade with AZ and probably not give up an additional 1st in 2025 but probably another 3rd. If they trade up with New England or Washington for Drake Maye then a 2025 1st and more would have to be included.

interesting. any idea on what they're basing this rumor on?

[Oriole81]

I heard a rumor on one of the Viking pundits Youtube channels over the weekend is that Kwesi loves Drake Maye and KOC loves JJ McCarthy. This is going to come down to the pro-days, interviews and top 30 visits to decide which one it will be. It sounds like they can take JJ McCarthy in a trade with AZ and probably not give up an additional 1st in 2025 but probably another 3rd. If they trade up with New England or Washington for Drake Maye then a 2025 1st and more would have to be included.

I feel like a 3 way trade makes the most sense.
If I'm AZ, I don't want to give up my shot at getting Marvin Harrison Jr, so I wouldn't trade down to 11 even if people want to tell me that its a deep WR draft.

However...

MN: gets 4
AZ: gets 5 in a modest trade down, but guaantees that they can still get Harrison
LAC: get the bigger haul and move down to 11, where they still have a good chance at getting Bowers.

That makes the most sense to me.

[William Munny]

I heard a rumor on one of the Viking pundits Youtube channels over the weekend is that Kwesi loves Drake Maye and KOC loves JJ McCarthy. This is going to come down to the pro-days, interviews and top 30 visits to decide which one it will be. It sounds like they can take JJ McCarthy in a trade with AZ and probably not give up an additional 1st in 2025 but probably another 3rd. If they trade up with New England or Washington for Drake Maye then a 2025 1st and more would have to be included.

I feel like a 3 way trade makes the most sense.
If I'm AZ, I don't want to give up my shot at getting Marvin Harrison Jr, so I wouldn't trade down to 11 even if people want to tell me that its a deep WR draft.

However...

MN: gets 4
AZ: gets 5 in a modest trade down, but guaantees that they can still get Harrison
LAC: get the bigger haul and move down to 11, where they still have a good chance at getting Bowers.

That makes the most sense to me.

Certainly, a possibility. I had not been thinking about multiple teams being involved in a trade/pick swap.

[weimy froob]

I heard a rumor on one of the Viking pundits Youtube channels over the weekend is that Kwesi loves Drake Maye and KOC loves JJ McCarthy. This is going to come down to the pro-days, interviews and top 30 visits to decide which one it will be. It sounds like they can take JJ McCarthy in a trade with AZ and probably not give up an additional 1st in 2025 but probably another 3rd. If they trade up with New England or Washington for Drake Maye then a 2025 1st and more would have to be included.

I feel like a 3 way trade makes the most sense.
If I'm AZ, I don't want to give up my shot at getting Marvin Harrison Jr, so I wouldn't trade down to 11 even if people want to tell me that its a deep WR draft.

However...

MN: gets 4
AZ: gets 5 in a modest trade down, but guaantees that they can still get Harrison
LAC: get the bigger haul and move down to 11, where they still have a good chance at getting Bowers.

That makes the most sense to me.

the giants in play complicates things. vikings just might want to get to four to be sure. the KOC/kwesi difference in opinion is what's real interesting though. any fire to that smoke?

[Oriole81]

I heard a rumor on one of the Viking pundits Youtube channels over the weekend is that Kwesi loves Drake Maye and KOC loves JJ McCarthy. This is going to come down to the pro-days, interviews and top 30 visits to decide which one it will be. It sounds like they can take JJ McCarthy in a trade with AZ and probably not give up an additional 1st in 2025 but probably another 3rd. If they trade up with New England or Washington for Drake Maye then a 2025 1st and more would have to be included.

I feel like a 3 way trade makes the most sense.
If I'm AZ, I don't want to give up my shot at getting Marvin Harrison Jr, so I wouldn't trade down to 11 even if people want to tell me that its a deep WR draft.

However...

MN: gets 4
AZ: gets 5 in a modest trade down, but guaantees that they can still get Harrison
LAC: get the bigger haul and move down to 11, where they still have a good chance at getting Bowers.

That makes the most sense to me.

the giants in play complicates things. vikings just might want to get to four to be sure. the KOC/kwesi difference in opinion is what's real interesting though. any fire to that smoke?

If we agree to these terms with AZ and LA, then the Giants angle would be moot.
If AZ instead did the trade down with the Giants, then they probably still lose out on Harrison, as the Chargers would run to the podium to take him.

So AZ would have to feel that lesser trade comp but paired with Harrison, is still better than more trade comp but with having to settle for their choice of Nabers or Odunze.
Considering many still have Harrison as the #1 player in the draft, I think its very reasonable to presume that AZ would be interested in that.

[weimy froob]

I feel like a 3 way trade makes the most sense.
If I'm AZ, I don't want to give up my shot at getting Marvin Harrison Jr, so I wouldn't trade down to 11 even if people want to tell me that its a deep WR draft.

However...

MN: gets 4
AZ: gets 5 in a modest trade down, but guaantees that they can still get Harrison
LAC: get the bigger haul and move down to 11, where they still have a good chance at getting Bowers.

That makes the most sense to me.

the giants in play complicates things. vikings just might want to get to four to be sure. the KOC/kwesi difference in opinion is what's real interesting though. any fire to that smoke?

If we agree to these terms with AZ and LA, then the Giants angle would be moot.
If AZ instead did the trade down with the Giants, then they probably still lose out on Harrison, as the Chargers would run to the podium to take him.

So AZ would have to feel that lesser trade comp but paired with Harrison, is still better than more trade comp but with having to settle for their choice of Nabers or Odunze.
Considering many still have Harrison as the #1 player in the draft, I think its very reasonable to presume that AZ would be interested in that.

i don't think the cardinals would trade with the giants--but you never know. they'd definitely be able to get a wide receiver at six.

[weimy froob]

of course harrison would be the vikings consolation prize if they just made a trade with the chargers and the giants did move up to four to get a QB.

[Oriole81]

the giants in play complicates things. vikings just might want to get to four to be sure. the KOC/kwesi difference in opinion is what's real interesting though. any fire to that smoke?

If we agree to these terms with AZ and LA, then the Giants angle would be moot.
If AZ instead did the trade down with the Giants, then they probably still lose out on Harrison, as the Chargers would run to the podium to take him.

So AZ would have to feel that lesser trade comp but paired with Harrison, is still better than more trade comp but with having to settle for their choice of Nabers or Odunze.
Considering many still have Harrison as the #1 player in the draft, I think its very reasonable to presume that AZ would be interested in that.

i don't think the cardinals would trade with the giants--but you never know. they'd definitely be able to get a wide receiver at six.

Getting A WR is not the same as getting Harrison.
Plus, AZ already has two 1st rd picks and 7 in the Top 100(ish), so they're not at a shortage of picks.

[Oriole81]

of course harrison would be the vikings consolation prize if they just made a trade with the chargers and the giants did move up to four to get a QB.

It will be a draft day trade if the intended partner is AZ or LAC.

[cunningham]

One thing to take into account is how recently some of these teams have taken 1st round quarterbacks. NE just took Mac Jones at #10 in 2021. Taking the 3rd best quarterback might not be as tempting as trading down. Giants took Jones at #6 in 2019.

Maybe I am just influenced by our lack of drafting quarterbacks, but it seems really soon to be taking one in NE and fairly soon for the Giants.

Everyone has the Giants taking JJ in their mocks. They pick #6.

[Oriole81]

One thing to take into account is how recently some of these teams have taken 1st round quarterbacks. NE just took Mac Jones at #10 in 2021. Taking the 3rd best quarterback might not be as tempting as trading down. Giants took Jones at #6 in 2019.

Maybe I am just influenced by our lack of drafting quarterbacks, but it seems really soon to be taking one in NE and fairly soon for the Giants.

Everyone has the Giants taking JJ in their mocks. They pick #6.

Different front offices and coaching staffs

[Mplsfonz]

Just curious, but why did this need its own thread. BB looking for attention?

[mlhouse]

of course harrison would be the vikings consolation prize if they just made a trade with the chargers and the giants did move up to four to get a QB.

There is a big risk, not sure how sizable, that the 2024 NFL draft goes Williams-Daniels-Maye-McCarthy, in whatever order 1-4, and the Minnesota Vikings are not a team that made any of those selections.

I doubt that the Vikings make the trade up before the draft commences, which does not mean they do not have a deal in place. That is like giving your vote count in a Texas election before your opponent or the Wolves making the draft trade before it started in 2019 to take Jarrett Culver. Unless they are complete morons, a condition that has not been fully adjudicated, they will have a contingency in their negotiations to make sure the player they want is available.

Obviously, as you state, the Giants would be the team making the move to 4 ahead of Minnesota and the Cardinals might be more interested in trading down to 6 than 11. The floor for Harrison is the Chargers at 5. It is interesting that both the Cardinals and the Chargers basically dumped all of their existing wide receivers and both have good qbs with massive contracts.

If I were the GMs of the top 4 teams in the draft, and while there is a price for everything, there isn't a trade that can get me off my pick.

If I am the Bears, especially the Bears owner, there is no way in the world I am not taking Caleb WIlliams. The guy already is worth millions of dollars as a college player based on endorsements, he is going to bring the fans back to your franchise win or lose. The Bears, CommnaderSkins and Patriots both have huge QB needs and shipped out their failed existing quarterbacks (although Howell wasn't a top draft choice which might make the claim "failed" a bit rich). Why mess around when you are sitting right there.

And similar to the Bears, I think the Cardinals would be dumb to trade out of #4 and Marvin Harrison Jr. This guy is going to bring some excitement to the franchise, a legitimate NFL prodigy that can team up with your now questionable former #1 overall pick Kyler Murray and revive the team in the desert. There is an argument to be made that Harrison is the absolute best player in this draft, he has the sexiness of the Harrison name, and this is what gets people excited about your team, not offensive linemen or defensive backs.

This is an unusual top of the first round because although the QB depth in the draft is unusually solid, there could be a situation were there isn't an opening in the top of the draft to move into and if there is an opening, there are a bunch of other competitors vying to move ahead of you.

I do have to assume that they made the Houston trade with a purpose, but it is far from clear.

[William Munny]

One thing to take into account is how recently some of these teams have taken 1st round quarterbacks. NE just took Mac Jones at #10 in 2021. Taking the 3rd best quarterback might not be as tempting as trading down. Giants took Jones at #6 in 2019.

Maybe I am just influenced by our lack of drafting quarterbacks, but it seems really soon to be taking one in NE and fairly soon for the Giants.

Everyone has the Giants taking JJ in their mocks. They pick #6.

Different front offices and coaching staffs

Joe Klatt has the following:

1. Chicago - Calleb WIlliams
2. Washington - Drake Maye
3. NE - Jayden Daniels
4. AZ - Marvin Harrison JR.
5. MN - JJ McCarthy

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsfKRW3gfak&t=1362s[/media]

[weimy froob]

One thing to take into account is how recently some of these teams have taken 1st round quarterbacks. NE just took Mac Jones at #10 in 2021. Taking the 3rd best quarterback might not be as tempting as trading down. Giants took Jones at #6 in 2019.

Maybe I am just influenced by our lack of drafting quarterbacks, but it seems really soon to be taking one in NE and fairly soon for the Giants.

Everyone has the Giants taking JJ in their mocks. They pick #6.

Different front offices and coaching staffs

Joe Klatt has the following:

1. Chicago - Calleb WIlliams
2. Washington - Drake Maye
3. NE - Jayden Daniels
4. AZ - Marvin Harrison JR.
5. MN - JJ McCarthy

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsfKRW3gfak&t=1362s[/media]

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[William Munny]

Different front offices and coaching staffs

Joe Klatt has the following:

1. Chicago - Calleb WIlliams
2. Washington - Drake Maye
3. NE - Jayden Daniels
4. AZ - Marvin Harrison JR.
5. MN - JJ McCarthy

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsfKRW3gfak&t=1362s[/media]

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this should work. you just need to use youtube and take the s out of the https.

Thank you.

[D_H]

Joe Klatt has the following:

1. Chicago - Calleb WIlliams
2. Washington - Drake Maye
3. NE - Jayden Daniels
4. AZ - Marvin Harrison JR.
5. MN - JJ McCarthy

[media]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsfKRW3gfak&t=1362s[/media]

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this should work. you just need to use youtube and take the s out of the https.

Thank you.

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[witljon]

I heard a rumor on one of the Viking pundits Youtube channels over the weekend is that Kwesi loves Drake Maye and KOC loves JJ McCarthy. This is going to come down to the pro-days, interviews and top 30 visits to decide which one it will be. It sounds like they can take JJ McCarthy in a trade with AZ and probably not give up an additional 1st in 2025 but probably another 3rd. If they trade up with New England or Washington for Drake Maye then a 2025 1st and more would have to be included.

I feel like a 3 way trade makes the most sense.
If I'm AZ, I don't want to give up my shot at getting Marvin Harrison Jr, so I wouldn't trade down to 11 even if people want to tell me that its a deep WR draft.

However...

MN: gets 4
AZ: gets 5 in a modest trade down, but guaantees that they can still get Harrison
LAC: get the bigger haul and move down to 11, where they still have a good chance at getting Bowers.

That makes the most sense to me.

We might need you in the war room or draft room or whatever they call it to get this thing worked out.

[D_H]

I heard a rumor on one of the Viking pundits Youtube channels over the weekend is that Kwesi loves Drake Maye and KOC loves JJ McCarthy. This is going to come down to the pro-days, interviews and top 30 visits to decide which one it will be. It sounds like they can take JJ McCarthy in a trade with AZ and probably not give up an additional 1st in 2025 but probably another 3rd. If they trade up with New England or Washington for Drake Maye then a 2025 1st and more would have to be included.

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