Vikes trade for another 1st round pick

[minnemike]

You have to wonder if NE isn't trying to play games and cast doubt about Maye to Washington. Say you don't want Maye but he's the guy you would take even if you had #2.

Hard to say. What exactly the doubts are with Maye I would be interested for sure. I would have to think it would be something with his personality or questions about his passion for the game.

So you are saying they like him more than Daniels?

I'm saying it's possible. But the more Daniels becomes a sure fire thing at #2 the less I doubt it's a rumor.

Lamar has really paved the way for the super dual threat and Daniels might have better overall arm talent. I was told he didn't do jack with ASU but I don't know how true that is.

Seems more unlikely that WAS passes on Daniels. I have not heard anything suggesting they are taking Maye. But if NE really likes Maye the most and then WAS drafts him, then its actually more likely that NE might trade away that pick, especially if they like JJ more than Daniels. JJ to NE is a rumor I've actually heard.

[Oriole81]

Love this. Seems like Houston should’ve gotten more for moving down to the 2nd round. I think it’s for maye but does New England really move down and pass on one of the top qb’s for the 2nd tier?

They could just not go QB at all.

if they're not going QB they're going to trade the pick if mlhouse's draft package in the maye thread is the compensation.

Yes, I didnt mean they would sit at 3 and take a different position. They would definitely trade down.
But the goal of the trade down would not be to take one of the 2nd tier QBs like that guy said.
They could just take other positional players and push off the QB decision until next year.

[weimy froob]

They could just not go QB at all.

if they're not going QB they're going to trade the pick if mlhouse's draft package in the maye thread is the compensation.

Yes, I didnt mean they would sit at 3 and take a different position. They would definitely trade down.
But the goal of the trade down would not be to take one of the 2nd tier QBs like that guy said.
They could just take other positional players and push off the QB decision until next year.

i didn't catch the second part of his hypothesis. i could definitely see them taking a shot at a second tier QB though. for sure they could get one at 11 and they might be able to get one at 23. penix could really fall because of injury concerns. they could also use some of their draft capital to move up a few spots from 23 to get one of their QBs. right now "next year" just doesn't seem very enticing if you're going to defer on QB.

[Oriole81]

if they're not going QB they're going to trade the pick if mlhouse's draft package in the maye thread is the compensation.

Yes, I didnt mean they would sit at 3 and take a different position. They would definitely trade down.
But the goal of the trade down would not be to take one of the 2nd tier QBs like that guy said.
They could just take other positional players and push off the QB decision until next year.

i didn't catch the second part of his hypothesis. i could definitely see them taking a shot at a second tier QB though. for sure they could get one at 11 and they might be able to get one at 23. penix could really fall because of injury concerns. they could also use some of their draft capital to move up a few spots from 23 to get one of their QBs. right now "next year" just doesn't seem very enticing if you're going to defer on QB.

But if you know you’re going to be bad, which they should have enough self awareness to realize that they will, then you’ll have another high pick next year.

You could get a better prospect with more infrastructure around them, and defer starting the rookie scale clock.

[j-one]

They're not planning on QB at 23 Why would they trade for 23 now to get a QB when the top 6 could be gone by 23? If they like, say, Penix and Nix, they could see the draft unfolds and then trade for pick once there is only one of them left. Sure, they could still do that but way more likely they're moving up - I'd say to 5 or higher. I wouldn't be surprised if KAM called the Bears about 1. Who knows who they love at QB.

I'll predict they end up at 4.

[minnemike]

Yes, I didnt mean they would sit at 3 and take a different position. They would definitely trade down.
But the goal of the trade down would not be to take one of the 2nd tier QBs like that guy said.
They could just take other positional players and push off the QB decision until next year.

i didn't catch the second part of his hypothesis. i could definitely see them taking a shot at a second tier QB though. for sure they could get one at 11 and they might be able to get one at 23. penix could really fall because of injury concerns. they could also use some of their draft capital to move up a few spots from 23 to get one of their QBs. right now "next year" just doesn't seem very enticing if you're going to defer on QB.

But if you know you’re going to be bad, which they should have enough self awareness to realize that they will, then you’ll have another high pick next year.

You could get a better prospect with more infrastructure around them, and defer starting the rookie scale clock.

Yeah - it really all depends on their new rebuild philosophy under the new guy.... do they build the car first and insert driver into a ready made machine or force a new guy to work with the crap around him until they build it up and hope that he elevates it all.

[Oriole81]

They're not planning on QB at 23 Why would they trade for 23 now to get a QB when the top 6 could be gone by 23? If they like, say, Penix and Nix, they could see the draft unfolds and then trade for pick once there is only one of them left. Sure, they could still do that but way more likely they're moving up - I'd say to 5 or higher. I wouldn't be surprised if KAM called the Bears about 1. Who knows who they love at QB.

I'll predict they end up at 4.

AZ already has two 1sts and three 3rds.
They don’t “need” more picks. Granted, you never turn down a massive war chest, but they are certainly not at a loss for top 100 picks.

If I’m AZ, I certainly am not giving up my chance at Harrison, for picks 11/23 and filler.

[Small Hands]

Rumors are that the Giants are also like him.

Giants GM told Drew Lock that he will be able to compete for the starting job. That should tell you Giants are potentially in play for a QB.

Interesting… I’ve read several reports saying otherwise

[Beetlejuice]

Love this. Seems like Houston should’ve gotten more for moving down to the 2nd round. I think it’s for maye but does New England really move down and pass on one of the top qb’s for the 2nd tier?

There’s rumors of the Vikings having trade discussions with NE during the combine. NE’s starting asking price was 3 first round picks. This trade would meet that criteria and NE an opportunity to have 4 first round picks for the next two years.

I’m not sure if NE is the team though. If they are gonna pass on a QB, one would assume they would keep 3 and take MHJ.

If Arizona misses out on MHJ, I’m sure they would trade out.

The Chargers seem like the most likely team to do this. Harbaugh would gladly take 4 first rounders to start building the team into his team.

[weimy froob]

i didn't catch the second part of his hypothesis. i could definitely see them taking a shot at a second tier QB though. for sure they could get one at 11 and they might be able to get one at 23. penix could really fall because of injury concerns. they could also use some of their draft capital to move up a few spots from 23 to get one of their QBs. right now "next year" just doesn't seem very enticing if you're going to defer on QB.

But if you know you’re going to be bad, which they should have enough self awareness to realize that they will, then you’ll have another high pick next year.

You could get a better prospect with more infrastructure around them, and defer starting the rookie scale clock.

Yeah - it really all depends on their new rebuild philosophy under the new guy.... do they build the car first and insert driver into a ready made machine or force a new guy to work with the crap around him until they build it up and hope that he elevates it all.

even though it's murky i'd think you'd have to take a look at prospects for the next year as well unless you're thinking a two plus year rebuild. not familiar with the patriots roster, but mlhouse said that they have a decent defensive core. QB play last year doomed their season. penix in the teens or early 20s might sound real good to them from a risk/reward basis. it depends on how they're grading these QBs.

[weimy froob]

Love this. Seems like Houston should’ve gotten more for moving down to the 2nd round. I think it’s for maye but does New England really move down and pass on one of the top qb’s for the 2nd tier?

There’s rumors of the Vikings having trade discussions with NE during the combine. NE’s starting asking price was 3 first round picks. This trade would meet that criteria and NE an opportunity to have 4 first round picks for the next two years.

I’m not sure if NE is the team though. If they are gonna pass on a QB, one would assume they would keep 3 and take MHJ.

If Arizona misses out on MHJ, I’m sure they would trade out.

The Chargers seem like the most likely team to do this. Harbaugh would gladly take 4 first rounders to start building the team into his team.

you saying three first round picks to get to 5?

[minnemike]

Love this. Seems like Houston should’ve gotten more for moving down to the 2nd round. I think it’s for maye but does New England really move down and pass on one of the top qb’s for the 2nd tier?

There’s rumors of the Vikings having trade discussions with NE during the combine. NE’s starting asking price was 3 first round picks. This trade would meet that criteria and NE an opportunity to have 4 first round picks for the next two years.

I’m not sure if NE is the team though. If they are gonna pass on a QB, one would assume they would keep 3 and take MHJ.

If Arizona misses out on MHJ, I’m sure they would trade out.

The Chargers seem like the most likely team to do this. Harbaugh would gladly take 4 first rounders to start building the team into his team.

Each one of those spots would come at different values though. I think only NE could command 3 first rounders (2 being current draft).

[RubeTube]

Love this. Seems like Houston should’ve gotten more for moving down to the 2nd round. I think it’s for maye but does New England really move down and pass on one of the top qb’s for the 2nd tier?

There’s rumors of the Vikings having trade discussions with NE during the combine. NE’s starting asking price was 3 first round picks. This trade would meet that criteria and NE an opportunity to have 4 first round picks for the next two years.

I’m not sure if NE is the team though. If they are gonna pass on a QB, one would assume they would keep 3 and take MHJ.

If Arizona misses out on MHJ, I’m sure they would trade out.

The Chargers seem like the most likely team to do this. Harbaugh would gladly take 4 first rounders to start building the team into his team.

You are not making that trade with the Chargers though until you see how the draft plays out.

It’s being reported all over that they want Maye and they have hired his old coach. You can’t trade for #4 or #5 now and give all those picks up with the chance he’s either not there or someone trades up ahead of you.

If you are giving up the farm, you need to be guaranteed in that top 3.

[Beetlejuice]

Love this. Seems like Houston should’ve gotten more for moving down to the 2nd round. I think it’s for maye but does New England really move down and pass on one of the top qb’s for the 2nd tier?

There’s rumors of the Vikings having trade discussions with NE during the combine. NE’s starting asking price was 3 first round picks. This trade would meet that criteria and NE an opportunity to have 4 first round picks for the next two years.

I’m not sure if NE is the team though. If they are gonna pass on a QB, one would assume they would keep 3 and take MHJ.

If Arizona misses out on MHJ, I’m sure they would trade out.

The Chargers seem like the most likely team to do this. Harbaugh would gladly take 4 first rounders to start building the team into his team.

Each one of those spots would come at different values though. I think only NE could command 3 first rounders (2 being current draft).

This isn’t a normal year. The Vikings may not be the only team that will make an offer to the Chargers. Giants, Denver, or even LV could get involved. Next year’s QB class isn’t considered special by any means.

[Oriole81]

But if you know you’re going to be bad, which they should have enough self awareness to realize that they will, then you’ll have another high pick next year.

You could get a better prospect with more infrastructure around them, and defer starting the rookie scale clock.

Yeah - it really all depends on their new rebuild philosophy under the new guy.... do they build the car first and insert driver into a ready made machine or force a new guy to work with the crap around him until they build it up and hope that he elevates it all.

even though it's murky i'd think you'd have to take a look at prospects for the next year as well unless you're thinking a two plus year rebuild. not familiar with the patriots roster, but mlhouse said that they have a decent defensive core. QB play last year doomed their season. penix in the teens or early 20s might sound real good to them from a risk/reward basis. it depends on how they're grading these QBs.

If that’s how they feel, then stay at 3 and take the QB.
QB is not like other positions where you can get the lesser prospect plus some additional fuller and be better in the macro sense.

It’s so much different.


But if that is how they feel, then it should be a red flag to us about what we’re trading up for.

[weimy froob]

wouldn't take much for the giants to get to four.

[William Munny]

NE did attend Oregon's pro day. I am sure they looked at Nix.

[Oriole81]

Yeah - it really all depends on their new rebuild philosophy under the new guy.... do they build the car first and insert driver into a ready made machine or force a new guy to work with the crap around him until they build it up and hope that he elevates it all.

even though it's murky i'd think you'd have to take a look at prospects for the next year as well unless you're thinking a two plus year rebuild. not familiar with the patriots roster, but mlhouse said that they have a decent defensive core. QB play last year doomed their season. penix in the teens or early 20s might sound real good to them from a risk/reward basis. it depends on how they're grading these QBs.

If that’s how they feel, then stay at 3 and take the QB.
QB is not like other positions where you can get the lesser prospect plus some additional filler and be better in the macro sense.

It’s so much different.


But if that is how they feel, then it should be a red flag to us about what we’re trading up for.

Someone’s a sucker in a trade involving two QBs.

[Beetlejuice]

Love this. Seems like Houston should’ve gotten more for moving down to the 2nd round. I think it’s for maye but does New England really move down and pass on one of the top qb’s for the 2nd tier?

There’s rumors of the Vikings having trade discussions with NE during the combine. NE’s starting asking price was 3 first round picks. This trade would meet that criteria and NE an opportunity to have 4 first round picks for the next two years.

I’m not sure if NE is the team though. If they are gonna pass on a QB, one would assume they would keep 3 and take MHJ.

If Arizona misses out on MHJ, I’m sure they would trade out.

The Chargers seem like the most likely team to do this. Harbaugh would gladly take 4 first rounders to start building the team into his team.

You are not making that trade with the Chargers though until you see how the draft plays out.

It’s being reported all over that they want Maye and they have hired his old coach. You can’t trade for #4 or #5 now and give all those picks up with the chance he’s either not there or someone trades up ahead of you.

If you are giving up the farm, you need to be guaranteed in that top 3.

I’m not ruling it out. But if NE isn’t impressed with who’s there at 3, I think they will need to be convinced to give up MHJ as well. Dropping from 3 to 11 ensures you miss out on the top QB prospects or any top tier talent.

[minnemike]

There’s rumors of the Vikings having trade discussions with NE during the combine. NE’s starting asking price was 3 first round picks. This trade would meet that criteria and NE an opportunity to have 4 first round picks for the next two years.

I’m not sure if NE is the team though. If they are gonna pass on a QB, one would assume they would keep 3 and take MHJ.

If Arizona misses out on MHJ, I’m sure they would trade out.

The Chargers seem like the most likely team to do this. Harbaugh would gladly take 4 first rounders to start building the team into his team.

Each one of those spots would come at different values though. I think only NE could command 3 first rounders (2 being current draft).

This isn’t a normal year. The Vikings may not be the only team that will make an offer to the Chargers. Giants, Denver, or even LV could get involved. Next year’s QB class isn’t considered special by any means.

Maybe true, but that doesnt change the different options at each spot. #3 obviously in the drivers seat for a specific QB a team may want. For instance if Maye is the only guy for some teams, then the other spots value dry up fast.

[RubeTube]

There’s rumors of the Vikings having trade discussions with NE during the combine. NE’s starting asking price was 3 first round picks. This trade would meet that criteria and NE an opportunity to have 4 first round picks for the next two years.

I’m not sure if NE is the team though. If they are gonna pass on a QB, one would assume they would keep 3 and take MHJ.

If Arizona misses out on MHJ, I’m sure they would trade out.

The Chargers seem like the most likely team to do this. Harbaugh would gladly take 4 first rounders to start building the team into his team.

You are not making that trade with the Chargers though until you see how the draft plays out.

It’s being reported all over that they want Maye and they have hired his old coach. You can’t trade for #4 or #5 now and give all those picks up with the chance he’s either not there or someone trades up ahead of you.

If you are giving up the farm, you need to be guaranteed in that top 3.

I’m not ruling it out. But if NE isn’t impressed with who’s there at 3, I think they will need to be convinced to give up MHJ as well. Dropping from 3 to 11 ensures you miss out on the top QB prospects or any top tier talent.

I feel whoever it is with, the deal has to be mostly done for the Vikings to make this move.

I’m going to predict it’s 3 1sts for NE pick.

[Beetlejuice]

wouldn't take much for the giants to get to four.

It will if MHJ is available.

[William Munny]

You are not making that trade with the Chargers though until you see how the draft plays out.

It’s being reported all over that they want Maye and they have hired his old coach. You can’t trade for #4 or #5 now and give all those picks up with the chance he’s either not there or someone trades up ahead of you.

If you are giving up the farm, you need to be guaranteed in that top 3.

I’m not ruling it out. But if NE isn’t impressed with who’s there at 3, I think they will need to be convinced to give up MHJ as well. Dropping from 3 to 11 ensures you miss out on the top QB prospects or any top tier talent.

I feel whoever it is with, the deal has to be mostly done for the Vikings to make this move.

I’m going to predict it’s 3 1sts for NE pick.

Likely a solid guess.

[weimy froob]

wouldn't take much for the giants to get to four.

It will if MHJ is available.

well then if they're sure that is how the cards go it wouldn't take much for them to get to five. if new england stays put at three and if the consensus top three go off the board in order then things could get real interesting. it then depends on what the chargers are thinking.

[minnemike]

I’m going to predict it’s 3 1sts for NE pick.

That would set a new precedent greater than what SF did for Trey Lance. ONly one of those picks were current draft. Value goes markedly down for future years. Not saying it doesnt happen, but a chance it could be cheaper, since the lesson from Lance was that it;s too fucking much! lol

[Night Train]

They should use the picks, roll with Darnold for the year, see if KOC can work some magic with him. And if it doesn't work out, we can pick our QB of the future next year, and we'll have those picks this year to put a better team around them.

[William Munny]

I have read a scenario where MN trades with NE and selects Maye. A second in which MN trades with the Chargers and Selects McCarthy. NY is said to love JJ.

[weimy froob]

Yeah - it really all depends on their new rebuild philosophy under the new guy.... do they build the car first and insert driver into a ready made machine or force a new guy to work with the crap around him until they build it up and hope that he elevates it all.

even though it's murky i'd think you'd have to take a look at prospects for the next year as well unless you're thinking a two plus year rebuild. not familiar with the patriots roster, but mlhouse said that they have a decent defensive core. QB play last year doomed their season. penix in the teens or early 20s might sound real good to them from a risk/reward basis. it depends on how they're grading these QBs.

If that’s how they feel, then stay at 3 and take the QB.
QB is not like other positions where you can get the lesser prospect plus some additional fuller and be better in the macro sense.

It’s so much different.


But if that is how they feel, then it should be a red flag to us about what we’re trading up for.

just moving out of the three spot would mean that there's a difference of opinion as to the value of the pick/player involved. most stock transactions involve a person who is afraid the stock is going to go down selling to someone who thinks it's going to go up. have to trust your evaluators/evaluation.

[William Munny]

There’s rumors of the Vikings having trade discussions with NE during the combine. NE’s starting asking price was 3 first round picks. This trade would meet that criteria and NE an opportunity to have 4 first round picks for the next two years.

I’m not sure if NE is the team though. If they are gonna pass on a QB, one would assume they would keep 3 and take MHJ.

If Arizona misses out on MHJ, I’m sure they would trade out.

The Chargers seem like the most likely team to do this. Harbaugh would gladly take 4 first rounders to start building the team into his team.

You are not making that trade with the Chargers though until you see how the draft plays out.

It’s being reported all over that they want Maye and they have hired his old coach. You can’t trade for #4 or #5 now and give all those picks up with the chance he’s either not there or someone trades up ahead of you.

If you are giving up the farm, you need to be guaranteed in that top 3.

I’m not ruling it out. But if NE isn’t impressed with who’s there at 3, I think they will need to be convinced to give up MHJ as well. Dropping from 3 to 11 ensures you miss out on the top QB prospects or any top tier talent.

Not entirely true. If 5 or more QB's go in the top 10, then that alone pushes very talented players lower.

[Offsides 97 defense]

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