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The current cap situation looks like this.

2024 NFL Cap 255,400,000
2023 Roll Over and Adjusments 7,337,242

Adjusted 2024 Salary Cap: 262,737,242

Known Contract Cap Hit: 185,378,704
2024 Dead Cap: 57,364,207
2024 Rookie Allocation: 7,504,233

Total Known Cap Allocation: 250,247,144

Remaining: 12,490.098

Unknown 2024 Cap Allocation:

Greenard 4 years $76 million
Jones 1 year $7 million
BUllard unknown
Romo unknown
Van GInkel 2 years $20 million

Less Harrison Smith's restructure 1 year $9 million


Essentially, these signings which spotrac has not published the details for will absorb almost all of the $12.5 million balance in cap space.
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So, we are essentially tapped out? What are some other options to create cap space?
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Hoop Dreams wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:39 pm So, we are essentially tapped out? What are some other options to create cap space?
There really isn’t a salary cap from what I’m told here.

Can you imagine had we signed Kirt again? We wouldn’t have even landed the few B listers we did. :lol:
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Bryan O’Neil
Tj hockenson
Byron Murphy
Josh Oliver
Cj ham
Garrett Bradbury
Harrison Phillips
Nick Mullins
Justin Jefferson


Not to mention just putting money into next year

The have plenty of money if they want it
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Sergeant Rubetube wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:41 pm
Hoop Dreams wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:39 pm So, we are essentially tapped out? What are some other options to create cap space?
There really isn’t a salary cap from what I’m told here.

Can you imagine had we signed Kirt again? We wouldn’t have even landed the few B listers we did. :lol:
This take just demonstrates you fucked up understanding of how the NFL salary cap works.
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mlhouse wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:55 pm
Sergeant Rubetube wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:41 pm
Hoop Dreams wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:39 pm So, we are essentially tapped out? What are some other options to create cap space?
There really isn’t a salary cap from what I’m told here.

Can you imagine had we signed Kirt again? We wouldn’t have even landed the few B listers we did. :lol:
This take just demonstrates you fucked up understanding of how the NFL salary cap works.
Right…. I’m sure we could have kicked the can down the road even longer. Teams that should go with this approach are ones with an actual window. We haven’t had a window in 5 years. :lol:
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Hoop Dreams wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:39 pm So, we are essentially tapped out? What are some other options to create cap space?
Extend Jefferson's contract with a 2024 cap hit less than the $19.743 million.

They could restructure O'Neill's contract but I think they will avoid that this season. Just take the salary cap hit now.
There are minor things they could do to create marginal cap space like release Mullens

That is about it. The dead cap we took with Cousins, Hunter, and Davenport all moving on was $50 million cap charge for 2024. Dean Lowry and Alexander Mattison total $3.65 million and Dalvin Cook will come off the cap for the VIkings in 2024 with a final $3.101 million. The rest of the dead cap are minor charges for late round draft pick/UDFA signing bonus allocation.

They could have continued kicking the can down the road and created a lot more cap space in 2024 if they would have extended the three main veteran contracts. But they didn't. This is the charge you take when the can isn't kicked anymore.

I think the team we have is the team we have with only minor additions of any other veteran players, draft picks, and UDFA.
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mlhouse wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:09 pm
Hoop Dreams wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:39 pm So, we are essentially tapped out? What are some other options to create cap space?
Extend Jefferson's contract with a 2024 cap hit less than the $19.743 million.

They could restructure O'Neill's contract but I think they will avoid that this season. Just take the salary cap hit now.
There are minor things they could do to create marginal cap space like release Mullens

That is about it. The dead cap we took with Cousins, Hunter, and Davenport all moving on was $50 million cap charge for 2024. Dean Lowry and Alexander Mattison total $3.65 million and Dalvin Cook will come off the cap for the VIkings in 2024 with a final $3.101 million. The rest of the dead cap are minor charges for late round draft pick/UDFA signing bonus allocation.

They could have continued kicking the can down the road and created a lot more cap space in 2024 if they would have extended the three main veteran contracts. But they didn't. This is the charge you take when the can isn't kicked anymore.

I think the team we have is the team we have with only minor additions of any other veteran players, draft picks, and UDFA.
Hopefully they adjust enough to add a veteran CB
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You are really arrogant they can still create plenty of money And over the cap ismuch better than sport trac
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mlhouse wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 7:53 pm The current cap situation looks like this.

2024 NFL Cap 255,400,000
2023 Roll Over and Adjusments 7,337,242

Adjusted 2024 Salary Cap: 262,737,242

Known Contract Cap Hit: 185,378,704
2024 Dead Cap: 57,364,207
2024 Rookie Allocation: 7,504,233

Total Known Cap Allocation: 250,247,144

Remaining: 12,490.098

Unknown 2024 Cap Allocation:

Greenard 4 years $76 million
Jones 1 year $7 million
BUllard unknown
Romo unknown
Van GInkel 2 years $20 million

Less Harrison Smith's restructure 1 year $9 million


Essentially, these signings which spotrac has not published the details for will absorb almost all of the $12.5 million balance in cap space.
So it’s even less since you don’t have Darnold included. I also don’t see the new deals for Brandel and Quisenberry too. Either way, any other signing will need some rework done on some contracts. I’m guessing O’Neil’s contract will be restructured soon.
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Small Hands wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:14 pm
mlhouse wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:09 pm
Hoop Dreams wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:39 pm So, we are essentially tapped out? What are some other options to create cap space?
Extend Jefferson's contract with a 2024 cap hit less than the $19.743 million.

They could restructure O'Neill's contract but I think they will avoid that this season. Just take the salary cap hit now.
There are minor things they could do to create marginal cap space like release Mullens

That is about it. The dead cap we took with Cousins, Hunter, and Davenport all moving on was $50 million cap charge for 2024. Dean Lowry and Alexander Mattison total $3.65 million and Dalvin Cook will come off the cap for the VIkings in 2024 with a final $3.101 million. The rest of the dead cap are minor charges for late round draft pick/UDFA signing bonus allocation.

They could have continued kicking the can down the road and created a lot more cap space in 2024 if they would have extended the three main veteran contracts. But they didn't. This is the charge you take when the can isn't kicked anymore.

I think the team we have is the team we have with only minor additions of any other veteran players, draft picks, and UDFA.
Hopefully they adjust enough to add a veteran CB
Yeah, we absolutely cannot go into next season with the current CB group.
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I presume a JJ extension would reduce the current cap if they needed more.

Just so I understand, had they signed Kirk, would the players defensive players not have been acquired unless they re-signed Kirk by kicking the can further down the road.

EDIT: I see it was answered above. Thanks mlhouse.
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Hoop Dreams wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:17 pm
Small Hands wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:14 pm
mlhouse wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:09 pm

Extend Jefferson's contract with a 2024 cap hit less than the $19.743 million.

They could restructure O'Neill's contract but I think they will avoid that this season. Just take the salary cap hit now.
There are minor things they could do to create marginal cap space like release Mullens

That is about it. The dead cap we took with Cousins, Hunter, and Davenport all moving on was $50 million cap charge for 2024. Dean Lowry and Alexander Mattison total $3.65 million and Dalvin Cook will come off the cap for the VIkings in 2024 with a final $3.101 million. The rest of the dead cap are minor charges for late round draft pick/UDFA signing bonus allocation.

They could have continued kicking the can down the road and created a lot more cap space in 2024 if they would have extended the three main veteran contracts. But they didn't. This is the charge you take when the can isn't kicked anymore.

I think the team we have is the team we have with only minor additions of any other veteran players, draft picks, and UDFA.
Hopefully they adjust enough to add a veteran CB
Yeah, we absolutely cannot go into next season with the current CB group.
At the same time, get a pass rush and below average corners look average.
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Small Hands wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:14 pm
mlhouse wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:09 pm
Hoop Dreams wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:39 pm So, we are essentially tapped out? What are some other options to create cap space?
Extend Jefferson's contract with a 2024 cap hit less than the $19.743 million.

They could restructure O'Neill's contract but I think they will avoid that this season. Just take the salary cap hit now.
There are minor things they could do to create marginal cap space like release Mullens

That is about it. The dead cap we took with Cousins, Hunter, and Davenport all moving on was $50 million cap charge for 2024. Dean Lowry and Alexander Mattison total $3.65 million and Dalvin Cook will come off the cap for the VIkings in 2024 with a final $3.101 million. The rest of the dead cap are minor charges for late round draft pick/UDFA signing bonus allocation.

They could have continued kicking the can down the road and created a lot more cap space in 2024 if they would have extended the three main veteran contracts. But they didn't. This is the charge you take when the can isn't kicked anymore.

I think the team we have is the team we have with only minor additions of any other veteran players, draft picks, and UDFA.
Hopefully they adjust enough to add a veteran CB
Such as? If they add a veteran CB it is a lower level deal with a bounce back type of guy like Xavien Howard to a very cheap deal.
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mlhouse wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:21 pm
Small Hands wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:14 pm
mlhouse wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:09 pm

Extend Jefferson's contract with a 2024 cap hit less than the $19.743 million.

They could restructure O'Neill's contract but I think they will avoid that this season. Just take the salary cap hit now.
There are minor things they could do to create marginal cap space like release Mullens

That is about it. The dead cap we took with Cousins, Hunter, and Davenport all moving on was $50 million cap charge for 2024. Dean Lowry and Alexander Mattison total $3.65 million and Dalvin Cook will come off the cap for the VIkings in 2024 with a final $3.101 million. The rest of the dead cap are minor charges for late round draft pick/UDFA signing bonus allocation.

They could have continued kicking the can down the road and created a lot more cap space in 2024 if they would have extended the three main veteran contracts. But they didn't. This is the charge you take when the can isn't kicked anymore.

I think the team we have is the team we have with only minor additions of any other veteran players, draft picks, and UDFA.
Hopefully they adjust enough to add a veteran CB
Such as? If they add a veteran CB it is a lower level deal with a bounce back type of guy like Xavien Howard to a very cheap deal.
Howard is 31. Tre’Davious White is available, but he’s injury prone. Other available corners are Adoree Jackson and Kendall Fuller.
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Beetlejuice wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:24 pm
mlhouse wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:21 pm
Small Hands wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:14 pm

Hopefully they adjust enough to add a veteran CB
Such as? If they add a veteran CB it is a lower level deal with a bounce back type of guy like Xavien Howard to a very cheap deal.
Howard is 31. Tre’Davious White is available, but he’s injury prone. Other available corners are Adoree Jackson and Kendall Fuller.
CJGJ or Gilmore

Never mind CJ went to Philly. Kick the tires on Gilmore
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Small Hands wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:31 pm
Beetlejuice wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:24 pm
mlhouse wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 9:21 pm

Such as? If they add a veteran CB it is a lower level deal with a bounce back type of guy like Xavien Howard to a very cheap deal.
Howard is 31. Tre’Davious White is available, but he’s injury prone. Other available corners are Adoree Jackson and Kendall Fuller.
CJGJ or Gilmore
Gardner signed with the Eagles. Gilmore is pretty much a Patrick Peterson type player now. I doubt Flores would be on to that. If they sign a corner over 30, it would be Howard due to his ties with Flores.
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Sergeant Rubetube wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:41 pm
Hoop Dreams wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:39 pm So, we are essentially tapped out? What are some other options to create cap space?
There really isn’t a salary cap from what I’m told here.

Can you imagine had we signed Kirt again? We wouldn’t have even landed the few B listers we did. :lol:
Yes because with more salary cap space created from retaining than we instead now have less from losing him, we would have had less money to spend. Makes sense.

This isn't hard. It really, truly isn't. :lol:
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mlhouse wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:55 pm
Sergeant Rubetube wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:41 pm
Hoop Dreams wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:39 pm So, we are essentially tapped out? What are some other options to create cap space?
There really isn’t a salary cap from what I’m told here.

Can you imagine had we signed Kirt again? We wouldn’t have even landed the few B listers we did. :lol:
This take just demonstrates you fucked up understanding of how the NFL salary cap works.
It really really does. :lol:
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hategreenticemase wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 11:07 pm
Sergeant Rubetube wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:41 pm
Hoop Dreams wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:39 pm So, we are essentially tapped out? What are some other options to create cap space?
There really isn’t a salary cap from what I’m told here.

Can you imagine had we signed Kirt again? We wouldn’t have even landed the few B listers we did. :lol:
Yes because with more salary cap space created from retaining than we instead now have less from losing him, we would have had less money to spend. Makes sense.

This isn't hard. It really, truly isn't. :lol:
Again… It has ramifications. It might not this year but you just keep kicking the can down the road and eventually it comes due.

They are clearing the cap for next year.

Sorry it’s over. You guys begged for the can kicking down the road for the last 5 years. It’s over, it went nowhere and you were wrong.

Imagine wanting to keep kicking the can down the road for a team who hasn’t won a playoff game in half a decade. :lol:

Your boy Kirt probably just got his team under investigation now. Enjoy Falcons fans. :lol:

Jaren Ball. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Im fine with it. I enjoy watching these younger Vikings teams and how they improve throughout the season vs the veteran teams that should play better and have more success but rarely live up to the hype. At least we can blame result on the below-average QB again. I mean that.
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Sergeant Rubetube wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 11:15 pm
hategreenticemase wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 11:07 pm
Sergeant Rubetube wrote: Wed Mar 13, 2024 8:41 pm

There really isn’t a salary cap from what I’m told here.

Can you imagine had we signed Kirt again? We wouldn’t have even landed the few B listers we did. :lol:
Yes because with more salary cap space created from retaining than we instead now have less from losing him, we would have had less money to spend. Makes sense.

This isn't hard. It really, truly isn't. :lol:
Again… It has ramifications. It might not this year but you just keep kicking the can down the road and eventually it comes due.

They are clearing the cap for next year.

Sorry it’s over. You guys begged for the can kicking down the road for the last 5 years. It’s over, it went nowhere and you were wrong.

Imagine wanting to keep kicking the can down the road for a team who hasn’t won a playoff game in half a decade. :lol:

Your boy Kirt probably just got his team under investigation now. Enjoy Falcons fans. :lol:

Jaren Ball. :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :roll: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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I think what we should do is have a RC online tutorial on "understanding the NFL cap for dummies". We could let Mlhouse or Oriole or Beef lead the class. Hell I would pay for your and Gasssman tuition. Think about how it would be if you had just basic common sense knowledge on the cap? You guys can even partner up and maybe learn together!
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Cap Update:

Current available cap: $7.704 million

The details of Greenard's and Aaron Jones' deal were finally released.

Greenard 4 years with a 5th void year $76 million $38 million guaranteed at signing signing bonus $16.5 million 2024 Cap Hit: $5.740 million
Aaron Jones 1 year $7 million fully guaranteed with 4 void years. $4 million signing bonus 2024 Cap Hit: $3.5 million

The details for Bullard, Feeney Griffin, Sherfield, and Jonah WIlliams, along with the newest signings Ward and Gunithier are not included in the available cap space and will REDUCE that available cap.

Likewise, the details for Harrison Smith's salary reduction are not included and will INCREASE the available cap.

If we extend Jefferson we probably will create 2024 cap space in the process. There is still some money available to sign veteran players but not extensive totals.
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mlhouse wrote: Wed Mar 20, 2024 9:30 pm Cap Update:

Current available cap: $7.704 million

The details of Greenard's and Aaron Jones' deal were finally released.

Greenard 4 years with a 5th void year $76 million $38 million guaranteed at signing signing bonus $16.5 million 2024 Cap Hit: $5.740 million
Aaron Jones 1 year $7 million fully guaranteed with 4 void years. $4 million signing bonus 2024 Cap Hit: $3.5 million

The details for Bullard, Feeney Griffin, Sherfield, and Jonah WIlliams, along with the newest signings Ward and Gunithier are not included in the available cap space and will REDUCE that available cap.

Likewise, the details for Harrison Smith's salary reduction are not included and will INCREASE the available cap.

If we extend Jefferson we probably will create 2024 cap space in the process. There is still some money available to sign veteran players but not extensive totals.
Thanks for the update. I had been wondering this. :thumbsup:
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