Plan B option?

[hategreenticemase]

If Cousins plays hard ball and right move is to tell him to go F himself, what are your thoughts on signing Russell Wilson for a similar two year deal and still try drafting JJ to red shirt for two seasons and take over in 26?

My assumption is he can be gotten cheaply? Obviously Cousins if healthy is much better, but the price difference should be huge shouldnt it? What would it cost to sign him?

[witljon]

If Cousins plays hard ball and right move is to tell him to go F himself, what are your thoughts on signing Russell Wilson for a similar two year deal and still try drafting JJ to red shirt for two seasons and take over in 26?

My assumption is he can be gotten cheaply? Obviously Cousins if healthy is much better, but the price difference should be huge shouldnt it? What would it cost to sign him?

I don’t blame Cousins for going to the highest bidder. I have no problem with signing Wilson because he should be much cheaper. And I’m still going to need to be convinced on JJ McCarthy.

[Oriole81]

Is Wilson going to sign for the minimum?

[witljon]

Is Wilson going to sign for the minimum?

I’d say probably, because he will still be getting paid from the Broncos

[Butch Bradford]

If Cousins plays hard ball and right move is to tell him to go F himself, what are your thoughts on signing Russell Wilson for a similar two year deal and still try drafting JJ to red shirt for two seasons and take over in 26?

My assumption is he can be gotten cheaply? Obviously Cousins if healthy is much better, but the price difference should be huge shouldnt it? What would it cost to sign him?

Really, hates?

You couldn't put this in the "Is Cousins on his way out of Minnesota?" thread?

"Look at me! Look at me!"



Chuck, please merge these threads.

Thx in advance.

[salamander]

Wasn't this discussed to death like a month or two ago?

I thought there was something weird with his contract.

[witljon]

Wasn't this discussed to death like a month or two ago?

I thought there was something weird with his contract.

So, what was the plan B discussion?

[salamander]

Wasn't this discussed to death like a month or two ago?

I thought there was something weird with his contract.

So, what was the plan B discussion?

He started this exact thread like a month and a half ago.

Thread title:
"Would Russel Wilson be a 3rd option"
viewtopic.php?t=78286&hilit=Wilson&sid= ... de269a0c26

This has also been discussed across several other threads the last month+ quite a bit.

[hategreenticemase]

Wasn't this discussed to death like a month or two ago?

I thought there was something weird with his contract.

So, what was the plan B discussion?

He started this exact thread like a month and a half ago.

Thread title:
"Would Russel Wilson be a 3rd option"
viewtopic.php?t=78286&hilit=Wilson&sid= ... de269a0c26

This has been discussed across several other threads the last month+ quite a bit.

That's funny, I legitimately forgot that.

My bad, altho part of the point of this one is the "still drafting JJ to be mentored by an experienced top QB". So at least I had some reason behind it.

But my apologies, shouldn't have started this one.

[salamander]

So, what was the plan B discussion?

He started this exact thread like a month and a half ago.

Thread title:
"Would Russel Wilson be a 3rd option"
viewtopic.php?t=78286&hilit=Wilson&sid= ... de269a0c26

This has been discussed across several other threads the last month+ quite a bit.

That's funny, I legitimately forgot that.

My bad, altho part of the point of this one is the "still drafting JJ to be mentored by an experienced top QB". So at least I had some reason behind it.

But my apologies, shouldn't have started this one.

As for the content. I would not be opposed to Russell Wilson.

[hategreenticemase]

He started this exact thread like a month and a half ago.

Thread title:
"Would Russel Wilson be a 3rd option"
viewtopic.php?t=78286&hilit=Wilson&sid= ... de269a0c26

This has been discussed across several other threads the last month+ quite a bit.

That's funny, I legitimately forgot that.

My bad, altho part of the point of this one is the "still drafting JJ to be mentored by an experienced top QB". So at least I had some reason behind it.

But my apologies, shouldn't have started this one.

As for the content. I would not be opposed to Russell Wilson.

My level of intrigue would be directly proportional to the amount less than Cousins that RW would cost would be AND a requirement of mine to move this direction would be we have to draft the replacement this year and start the clock on that process. Can't do one without the other.

Part of me strongly feels the guy is clearly cooked, but maybe KOC could resurrect something in him? I don't know. Is downfield arm strength would certainly be a big downgrade. That would be a problem in this offense.

But if he would only cost 20M, it's intriguing. But may be way off on what he gets also.

[Oriole81]

The thing for me with Wilson is the locker room/leadership fit.
He wore out his welcome in Sea, and Den was an absolute shit show.

If what people are saying about him is true, then I don't want anything to do with him, even on a vet minimum deal.
Just sign Minshew or Heinicke at that point then.

[Sarge]

Fuck no.

Maker Bayfield, Minshew... maybe. Hell no to Wilson.

[salamander]

That's funny, I legitimately forgot that.

My bad, altho part of the point of this one is the "still drafting JJ to be mentored by an experienced top QB". So at least I had some reason behind it.

But my apologies, shouldn't have started this one.

As for the content. I would not be opposed to Russell Wilson.

My level of intrigue would be directly proportional to the amount less than Cousins that RW would cost would be AND a requirement of mine to move this direction would be we have to draft the replacement this year and start the clock on that process. Can't do one without the other.

Part of me strongly feels the guy is clearly cooked, but maybe KOC could resurrect something in him? I don't know. Is downfield arm strength would certainly be a big downgrade. That would be a problem in this offense.

But if he would only cost 20M, it's intriguing. But may be way off on what he gets also.

100% If Wilson costs the same as Cousins I'd rather have cousins. Continuity is a big thing.

Wilson actually played a lot better than people realize last year. He started the year with 4/5 games over 100 passer rating.
There were a couple really bad duds in there for sure.

[Beetlejuice]

Why bother signing Wilson or Cousins if they lose Hunter? People always talk doom about QB, but losing Hunter pretty much makes this defense bottom 5 in terms of talent.

Flores can only do so much.

[Oriole81]

Why bother signing Wilson or Cousins if they lose Hunter? People always talk doom about QB, but losing Hunter pretty much makes this defense bottom 5 in terms of talent.

Flores can only do so much.

There's comparable defensive free agents available.
They could lose Hunter, but then turn around and sign Christian Wilkins or Justin Madabuike.
Heck, they could afford to sign both of them if they lose Hunter.
Or one of them, plus a Patrick Queen or Jaylon Johnson.

[Tuck ya in]

Why bother signing Wilson or Cousins if they lose Hunter? People always talk doom about QB, but losing Hunter pretty much makes this defense bottom 5 in terms of talent.

Flores can only do so much.

There's comparable defensive free agents available.
They could lose Hunter, but then turn around and sign Christian Wilkins or Justin Madabuike.
Heck, they could afford to sign both of them if they lose Hunter.
Or one of them, plus a Patrick Queen or Jaylon Johnson.

If all that set up like you mentioned as a possibility, then yeah it wouldn't hurt as bad to lose Hunter. I just don't see this GM getting that all done though, and out-bidding other teams for those players and convince them to come aboard. I think Beetle is right, losing Hunter would be a significant blow, no matter who our QB is. We would be very thin on the edge, also Davenport either departs or stays....which likely would be the same result.

[Oriole81]

Why bother signing Wilson or Cousins if they lose Hunter? People always talk doom about QB, but losing Hunter pretty much makes this defense bottom 5 in terms of talent.

Flores can only do so much.

There's comparable defensive free agents available.
They could lose Hunter, but then turn around and sign Christian Wilkins or Justin Madabuike.
Heck, they could afford to sign both of them if they lose Hunter.
Or one of them, plus a Patrick Queen or Jaylon Johnson.

If all that set up like you mentioned as a possibility, then yeah it wouldn't hurt as bad to lose Hunter. I just don't see this GM getting that all done though, and outbidding other teams for those players and convince them to come aboard. I think Beetle is right, losing Hunter would be a significant blow, no matter who our QB is.

The comment was definitely meant in a vacuum, without any of those other outside variables that affect these decisions.
I was just pointing out that it was there though.

There's something to be said as well, for if we do lose Hunter and Cousins, to just do nothing in free agency this year to ensure we get the two 3rd rd comp picks next year.

[hategreenticemase]

Why bother signing Wilson or Cousins if they lose Hunter? People always talk doom about QB, but losing Hunter pretty much makes this defense bottom 5 in terms of talent.

Flores can only do so much.

Fair point and why it's a no brainer to sign him. If you didn't, a case can be made to reset a year, I'd agree with you. But it will never happen.

[hategreenticemase]

There's comparable defensive free agents available.
They could lose Hunter, but then turn around and sign Christian Wilkins or Justin Madabuike.
Heck, they could afford to sign both of them if they lose Hunter.
Or one of them, plus a Patrick Queen or Jaylon Johnson.

If all that set up like you mentioned as a possibility, then yeah it wouldn't hurt as bad to lose Hunter. I just don't see this GM getting that all done though, and outbidding other teams for those players and convince them to come aboard. I think Beetle is right, losing Hunter would be a significant blow, no matter who our QB is.

The comment was definitely meant in a vacuum, without any of those other outside variables that affect these decisions.
I was just pointing out that it was there though.

There's something to be said as well, for if we do lose Hunter and Cousins, to just do nothing in free agency this year to ensure we get the two 3rd rd comp picks next year.

Yes, and sell out to go get a top 3 QB. Then use cap space to front load extensions to JJ and Darrisaw to then really have cap space next few years and then next year, when we don't have picks ammo due to trade up, use free agency to buttress the defense.

[hategreenticemase]

As for the content. I would not be opposed to Russell Wilson.

My level of intrigue would be directly proportional to the amount less than Cousins that RW would cost would be AND a requirement of mine to move this direction would be we have to draft the replacement this year and start the clock on that process. Can't do one without the other.

Part of me strongly feels the guy is clearly cooked, but maybe KOC could resurrect something in him? I don't know. Is downfield arm strength would certainly be a big downgrade. That would be a problem in this offense.

But if he would only cost 20M, it's intriguing. But may be way off on what he gets also.

100% If Wilson costs the same as Cousins I'd rather have cousins. Continuity is a big thing.

Wilson actually played a lot better than people realize last year. He started the year with 4/5 games over 100 passer rating.
There were a couple really bad duds in there for sure.

Yeah no question cousins way better (assuming health). I still think cousins signs a reasonable contract. If I'm wrong I'm wrong, but that's my gut. If he won't, I'm ok moving on.

Another part that's harder to quantify is Payton have an informed from day one and wanted nothing to do with them. That certainly has to be a factor. But they're also could be a lot to the perception that Wilson is a prima donna and just a bitch too. So who knows to blame.

[Oriole81]

If all that set up like you mentioned as a possibility, then yeah it wouldn't hurt as bad to lose Hunter. I just don't see this GM getting that all done though, and outbidding other teams for those players and convince them to come aboard. I think Beetle is right, losing Hunter would be a significant blow, no matter who our QB is.

The comment was definitely meant in a vacuum, without any of those other outside variables that affect these decisions.
I was just pointing out that it was there though.

There's something to be said as well, for if we do lose Hunter and Cousins, to just do nothing in free agency this year to ensure we get the two 3rd rd comp picks next year.

Yes, and sell out to go get a top 3 QB. Then use cap space to front load extensions to JJ and Darrisaw to then really have cap space next few years and then next year, when we don't have picks ammo due to trade up, use free agency to buttress the defense.

If we did that, I'd also think about trading some of our remaining picks this year for picks in next year's draft.
We may not have a 1st and 2nd next year, but we could have five 3rds.
You have enough ammo then that you could trade up if a singular player you love falls into the mid 2nd.

[Da Gas Man's Ghost]

If Cousins plays hard ball and right move is to tell him to go F himself, what are your thoughts on signing Russell Wilson for a similar two year deal and still try drafting JJ to red shirt for two seasons and take over in 26?

My assumption is he can be gotten cheaply? Obviously Cousins if healthy is much better, but the price difference should be huge shouldnt it? What would it cost to sign him?

This is actually my ideal option even if Kirk doesn't play hardball. We don't need to redshirt JJ for two but at least one. Wilson, by all accounts, will come cheap and he will have some great weapons here.

Price difference is so huge and I don't think Russell is as bad as he has been. He fell off there but he was great for a while.

Also, as much as I can't tolerate the douche, he would be our douche.

[TheLokNesMonster]

If Cousins plays hard ball and right move is to tell him to go F himself, what are your thoughts on signing Russell Wilson for a similar two year deal and still try drafting JJ to red shirt for two seasons and take over in 26?

My assumption is he can be gotten cheaply? Obviously Cousins if healthy is much better, but the price difference should be huge shouldnt it? What would it cost to sign him?

I don’t blame Cousins for going to the highest bidder. I have no problem with signing Wilson because he should be much cheaper. And I’m still going to need to be convinced on JJ McCarthy.

Combines?

[witljon]

So, what was the plan B discussion?

He started this exact thread like a month and a half ago.

Thread title:
"Would Russel Wilson be a 3rd option"
viewtopic.php?t=78286&hilit=Wilson&sid= ... de269a0c26

This has been discussed across several other threads the last month+ quite a bit.

That's funny, I legitimately forgot that.

My bad, altho part of the point of this one is the "still drafting JJ to be mentored by an experienced top QB". So at least I had some reason behind it.

But my apologies, shouldn't have started this one.

There’s no need to apologize, but your politeness has been noted.

[witljon]

The thing for me with Wilson is the locker room/leadership fit.
He wore out his welcome in Sea, and Den was an absolute shit show.

If what people are saying about him is true, then I don't want anything to do with him, even on a vet minimum deal.
Just sign Minshew or Heinicke at that point then.

Just what are people saying about Russell Wilson that’s so bad?

[Oriole81]

The thing for me with Wilson is the locker room/leadership fit.
He wore out his welcome in Sea, and Den was an absolute shit show.

If what people are saying about him is true, then I don't want anything to do with him, even on a vet minimum deal.
Just sign Minshew or Heinicke at that point then.

Just what are people saying about Russell Wilson that’s so bad?

Just some examples but alot of other stories out there...

https://www.si.com/nfl/broncos/news/kj- ... ks-broncos

https://www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/news-ru ... s-panthers

Some vagueness and nothing per se about him being a bad person, but questions about his leadership and efficacy as a teammate, which is extra scrutinized when you're the QB.

[Tuck ya in]

There's comparable defensive free agents available.
They could lose Hunter, but then turn around and sign Christian Wilkins or Justin Madabuike.
Heck, they could afford to sign both of them if they lose Hunter.
Or one of them, plus a Patrick Queen or Jaylon Johnson.

If all that set up like you mentioned as a possibility, then yeah it wouldn't hurt as bad to lose Hunter. I just don't see this GM getting that all done though, and outbidding other teams for those players and convince them to come aboard. I think Beetle is right, losing Hunter would be a significant blow, no matter who our QB is.

The comment was definitely meant in a vacuum, without any of those other outside variables that affect these decisions.
I was just pointing out that it was there though.

There's something to be said as well, for if we do lose Hunter and Cousins, to just do nothing in free agency this year to ensure we get the two 3rd rd comp picks next year.

Those 3rd's would come in handy, and I'm big on picks (when we have a trustworthy GM). But I can't see them not signing a couple vets that would nullify those comps next year, if we hypothetically lose both guys.

[Oriole81]

If all that set up like you mentioned as a possibility, then yeah it wouldn't hurt as bad to lose Hunter. I just don't see this GM getting that all done though, and outbidding other teams for those players and convince them to come aboard. I think Beetle is right, losing Hunter would be a significant blow, no matter who our QB is.

The comment was definitely meant in a vacuum, without any of those other outside variables that affect these decisions.
I was just pointing out that it was there though.

There's something to be said as well, for if we do lose Hunter and Cousins, to just do nothing in free agency this year to ensure we get the two 3rd rd comp picks next year.

Those 3rd's would come in handy, and I'm big on picks (when we have a trustworthy GM). But I can't see them not signing a couple vets that would nullify those comps next year, if we hypothetically lose both guys.

Doesn't that kinda contradict what you said before though, abotu not having faith in Kwesi being able to sell other free agents on coming here if we happen to lose both of Cousins and Hunter?

That could be true actually.

[hategreenticemase]

He started this exact thread like a month and a half ago.

Thread title:
"Would Russel Wilson be a 3rd option"
viewtopic.php?t=78286&hilit=Wilson&sid= ... de269a0c26

This has been discussed across several other threads the last month+ quite a bit.

That's funny, I legitimately forgot that.

My bad, altho part of the point of this one is the "still drafting JJ to be mentored by an experienced top QB". So at least I had some reason behind it.

But my apologies, shouldn't have started this one.

There’s no need to apologize, but your politeness has been noted.

Its ironic that it turned into a talker in spite of it.