Our long national nightmare is over!

[Gork]

JOE BARRY FIRED!!!!!

[salamander]

JOE BARRY FIRED!!!!!

[Unbiased Observer]

YAAAAAAAAAAAAAASSSS!!!!!!!!!

Watching Grossi right now.

[TheLokNesMonster]

I never cheer a guy losing his job, but it was time for a change.

[PackIsBack]

Made my day. They also canned Chris Gizzi? All those rubes that cry every year about "fire the strength and conditioning coach" go their wish too.

[Sarge]

Poor Barry. Sacrificed because Gordon Love had a brain fart.

Escape goat!

[Sarge]

Hire Zimmer. I double dog dare ya.

[JPM]

The defense looked pretty good the last 1/3rd of the season. There were some head scratchers earlier though.

[Sarge]

The defense looked pretty good the last 1/3rd of the season. There were some head scratchers earlier though.

Impressive against the Panthers, indeed. Somehow befuddled Bryce Young into running out of clock to spike it for a game tying fg.

Then that gem against the Vikings 54th qb. Solid work.

[JPM]

The defense looked pretty good the last 1/3rd of the season. There were some head scratchers earlier though.

Impressive against the Panthers, indeed. Somehow befuddled Bryce Young into running out of clock to spike it for a game tying fg.

Then that gem against the Vikings 54th qb. Solid work.

You just might want to start watching your own bobber.

[Sarge]

The defense looked pretty good the last 1/3rd of the season. There were some head scratchers earlier though.

Impressive against the Panthers, indeed. Somehow befuddled Bryce Young into running out of clock to spike it for a game tying fg.

Then that gem against the Vikings 54th qb. Solid work.

You just might want to start watching your own bobber.

How about that herculean effort against the Giants? G FORCE baby!

[Blair Kiel 2]

Hire Zimmer. I double dog dare ya.

We’ll keep an eye on him.

[Obi-Wan]

JOE BARRY FIRED!!!!!

Maybe they should get better players.

[Gork]

JOE BARRY FIRED!!!!!

Maybe they should get better players.

Sounds like a plan. Imagine what a competent backup QB could do!

[Chuck North]

JOE BARRY FIRED!!!!!

Maybe they should get better players.

Sounds like a plan. Imagine what a competent backup QB could do!

Do you think their coaching staff would be able to identify one if they had him?

[Sarge]

Made my day. They also canned Chris Gizzi? All those rubes that cry every year about "fire the strength and conditioning coach" go their wish too.

Do you think they'll update their training room methodology?

[Offsides 97 defense]

Do you think their coaching staff would be able to identify one if they had him?

Curious, who was the Packer's backup if Love went down? An inexperienced rookie out of Penn State, right? Man, I wish the Vikings had the insight and gumption to do that. That's what knowledgeable staff do. Place rookie quarterbacks as their backups.

The Vikings lost their starting QB and Mullens, their backup. Mullens is a good backup. So, they identified one at the start of the season.

[anthony]

Sean Clifford had a 100% completion percentage, 118 qb rating and a 37 yard completion average…. Beat that!!

[Obi-Wan]

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Maybe they should get better players.
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Sounds like a plan. Imagine what a competent [u]backup QB[/u] could do!
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Do you think their coaching staff would be able to identify one if they had him?
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Deflection.

[Gork]

Clifford throwing that bomb against the Vikes looked better than all 3 bench QB's KOC had at his disposal!

"Inexperienced rookie from Penn State"

Another gem from the " QB Whisperer! "

[Offsides 97 defense]

Sounds like a plan. Imagine what a competent backup QB could do!

Do you think their coaching staff would be able to identify one if they had him?

Deflection.

Nice job

[Offsides 97 defense]

Sean Clifford had a 100% completion percentage, 118 qb rating and a 37 yard completion average…. Beat that!!

No doubt.

Starting rookie quarterbacks as your backup plan is the way to go.

Signing a veteran backup like Mullings is dumb. Got it.

[anthony]

Sean Clifford had a 100% completion percentage, 118 qb rating and a 37 yard completion average…. Beat that!!

No doubt.

Starting rookie quarterbacks as your backup plan is the way to go.

Signing a veteran backup like Mullings is dumb. Got it.

Packers made the playoffs with their plan and Jordan love has as many playoff wins as kirk cousins and mullens combined…. Now what…

[PackIsBack]

Made my day. They also canned Chris Gizzi? All those rubes that cry every year about "fire the strength and conditioning coach" go their wish too.

Do you think they'll update their training room methodology?

Maybe they need to turn the clock back to bloodlettings. If that cures Watson's hammy issues, do it!

[Offsides 97 defense]

Sean Clifford had a 100% completion percentage, 118 qb rating and a 37 yard completion average…. Beat that!!

No doubt.

Starting rookie quarterbacks as your backup plan is the way to go.

Signing a veteran backup like Mullings is dumb. Got it.

Packers made the playoffs with their plan and Jordan love has as many playoff wins as kirk cousins and mullens combined…. Now what…

No arguing that. But let's stay on point. Is it wise to enter the NFL season sans a seasoned, experienced backup? Or is using a rookie QB with no NFL experience the way to go? I just want to lock this trade in for future reference. Packer fans (as proven by the history of this board) can be awfully fickle. Would you all be comfortable with Sean Clifford at the helm if Love were to go down? Because of some lollipop bomb in a game against a team that was cooked for the season?

And please don't confuse my question with the recklessness Minnesota Vikings fans are accustomed to when it comes to our team and the QB position. The Packers are way ahead of the game when it comes to taking that position seriously.

[anthony]

No doubt.

Starting rookie quarterbacks as your backup plan is the way to go.

Signing a veteran backup like Mullings is dumb. Got it.

Packers made the playoffs with their plan and Jordan love has as many playoff wins as kirk cousins and mullens combined…. Now what…

No arguing that. But let's stay on point. Is it wise to enter the NFL season sans a seasoned, experienced backup? Or is using a rookie QB with no NFL experience the way to go? I just want to lock this trade in for future reference. Packer fans (as proven by the history of this board) can be awfully fickle. Would you all be comfortable with Sean Clifford at the helm if Love were to go down? Because of some lollipop bomb in a game against a team that was cooked for the season?

And please don't confuse my question with the recklessness Minnesota Vikings fans are accustomed to when it comes to our team and the QB position. The Packers are way ahead of the game when it comes to taking that position seriously.

My uneducated guess is that this season was a “find out what we have” season. Mark Murphy was probably as surprised as anyone that Green Bay went as far as they did. His thinking was “ If Jordan love shits the bed after his first 8 games, let’s see what this rookie can do…”

[anthony]

Also, Matt Flynn was a rookie backing up aaron rodgers in rodgers first year starting, and brett favre was in his second season in the league backing up don majkowski….

[Offsides 97 defense]

Also, Matt Flynn was a rookie backing up aaron rodgers in rodgers first year starting, and brett favre was in his second season in the league backing up don majkowski….

Well, that's pretty cavalier. Don't you think? Matt Flynn would have been a disaster. I think the argument made was the Vikings' inability to find a backup quarterback. They had a decent backup who got hurt as well. Most teams' seasons are over when their starter goes down. The 2017 Packers went 7-9 when Rodgers went down. That's the norm. That was the 2023 Vikings.

So we're clear: it's cool to throw a rookie QB on the roster as the backup, right? And that is sage advice for the rest of the NFL? Are you going to convince me had Love gone down, Clifford was the answer?

[anthony]

Also, Matt Flynn was a rookie backing up aaron rodgers in rodgers first year starting, and brett favre was in his second season in the league backing up don majkowski….

Well, that's pretty cavalier. Don't you think? Matt Flynn would have been a disaster. I think the argument made was the Vikings' inability to find a backup quarterback. They had a decent backup who got hurt as well. Most teams' seasons are over when their starter goes down. The 2017 Packers went 7-9 when Rodgers went down. That's the norm. That was the 2023 Vikings.

So we're clear: it's cool to throw a rookie QB on the roster as the backup, right? And that is sage advice for the rest of the NFL? Are you going to convince me had Love gone down, Clifford was the answer?

My guess is I’m not going to convince you of anything.

If the packers roster continues to gel and they can show they can compete for a superbowl then the calculus changes. At that point i think a proven veteran is more valuable than a rookie as a backup. But i think Jordan love is a pretty big unknown at this point and nobody expected Green Bay to contend this year. If love had struggled and you think his backup had potential why not give him a shot? You said yourself that if a starter goes down the season is shot so the backup is only there to be servicable for a few games if qb1 is sidelined for a game or 2.

[Offsides 97 defense]

My guess is I’m not going to convince you of anything.

If the packers roster continues to gel and they can show they can compete for a superbowl then the calculus changes. At that point i think a proven veteran is more valuable than a rookie as a backup. But i think Jordan love is a pretty big unknown at this point and nobody expected Green Bay to contend this year. If love had struggled and you think his backup had potential why not give him a shot? You said yourself that if a starter goes down the season is shot so the backup is only there to be servicable for a few games if qb1 is sidelined for a game or 2.

Again, the comment by Chuck Weak was directed at the Vikings' inability to find a backup. I think most people would agree that Mullins is a serviceable backup. Nobody wants to hold two starters on their team. However, if your starter goes down and your backup, your season is over. That's just the way it is. I am not even convinced had Mullens been healthy; you guys would have made the playoffs. Because they beat the Bears or Broncos with Mullens.

So it is your opinion that it is best practice to have a rookie QB who has never thrown an NFL pass as a backup? Unlike the Vikings, who signed a seasoned veteran at #2. That is all I am asking.

(Hypothetical, if the Vikings in the upcoming draft actually get their head out of their ass and move on a 1st round QB, they should dump Mullins and put a rookie late-round pick at #2? That's smart business, right?)