Build a team

[cdr2529]

With a young franchise QB! Look at Green Bay, Houston Texas, Philadelphia Eagles, and even Miami Dolphins all have young QB with a future and the Vikings have some building blocks but they got an old QB with a bad injury

[salamander]

With a young franchise QB! Look at Green Bay, Houston Texas, Philadelphia Eagles, and even Miami Dolphins all have young QB with a future and the Vikings have some building blocks but they got an old QB with a bad injury

We need to start building our lines. This team will never go anywhere if we're weak in the trenches.
Get some big heavies and dominate the LOS of offense and defense.

[Beef Supreme]

With a young franchise QB! Look at Green Bay, Houston Texas, Philadelphia Eagles, and even Miami Dolphins all have young QB with a future and the Vikings have some building blocks but they got an old QB with a bad injury

We need to start building our lines. This team will never go anywhere if we're weak in the trenches.
Get some big heavies and dominate the LOS of offense and defense.

We need 3 guys. A center, a NT, and one DE (Philips is fine at the other).


It’s doable.

[Sportsrgreat]

Paging Kwesi…

[salamander]

With a young franchise QB! Look at Green Bay, Houston Texas, Philadelphia Eagles, and even Miami Dolphins all have young QB with a future and the Vikings have some building blocks but they got an old QB with a bad injury

We need to start building our lines. This team will never go anywhere if we're weak in the trenches.
Get some big heavies and dominate the LOS of offense and defense.

We need 3 guys. A center, a NT, and one DE (Philips is fine at the other).


It’s doable.

It's definitely doable. Just need to commit to it.

[Mandatory]

With a young franchise QB! Look at Green Bay, Houston Texas, Philadelphia Eagles, and even Miami Dolphins all have young QB with a future and the Vikings have some building blocks but they got an old QB with a bad injury

I would take Stroud over any of those guys. I wanted the Vikings to trade up for him.. but oh well. I also liked Richardson, but wanted Stroud.

[Bunker Inspector]

Gotta find a way to get Penix in this draft

[Beef Supreme]

Gotta find a way to get Penix in this draft

Just draft him. He should be there at 11, I would think.

[Beef Supreme]

With a young franchise QB! Look at Green Bay, Houston Texas, Philadelphia Eagles, and even Miami Dolphins all have young QB with a future and the Vikings have some building blocks but they got an old QB with a bad injury

I would take Stroud over any of those guys. I wanted the Vikings to trade up for him.. but oh well. I also liked Richardson, but wanted Stroud.

I took Stroud #1 overall for Carolina in the Froob draft last year.



My opinion should be respected!

[Bunker Inspector]

Gotta find a way to get Penix in this draft

Just draft him. He should be there at 11, I would think.

Yeah, he might be. But maybe not, who knows?

[salamander]

If Daniels falls to us in the 1st, I will be absolutely ecstatic.

[Beef Supreme]

If Daniels falls to us in the 1st, I will be absolutely ecstatic.

Urgently, I have it as such:

I would be ecstatic with Williams, Maye, or Daniels. Most likely, we’d have to trade up significantly to get any of them. But if the Vikings feel strongly enough to go get one of them and can find a dance parter, I’m all for it.

I’d be fine with McCarthy or Penix at 11. Maybe a small trade up to make sure you get them, but I don’t think I’m mortgaging the future to get either of them.

The next tier is pretty much Bo Nix, imho. He’s a guy I don’t like at 11, but would be cool with in the 2nd round or with a small trade up to the back of round 1. With Ewers going back to Texas, there really isn’t another guy on this tier, imho.


I’m of the opinion that the Vikings absolutely need to come out of this draft with one of those 6 quarterbacks. It’s an unserious, Mickey Mouse operation if they don’t.

[mlhouse]

What a brilliant thought: select a top QB in the draft without missing and have him pro ready from the get go.

[Bunker Inspector]

I have no interest in JJ McCarthy

I don't think he'll ever become much of a pro passer

[salamander]

If Daniels falls to us in the 1st, I will be absolutely ecstatic.

Urgently, I have it as such:

I would be ecstatic with Williams, Maye, or Daniels. Most likely, we’d have to trade up significantly to get any of them. But if the Vikings feel strongly enough to go get one of them and can find a dance parter, I’m all for it.

I’d be fine with McCarthy or Penix at 11. Maybe a small trade up to make sure you get them, but I don’t think I’m mortgaging the future to get either of them.

The next tier is pretty much Bo Nix, imho. He’s a guy I don’t like at 11, but would be cool with in the 2nd round or with a small trade up to the back of round 1. With Ewers going back to Texas, there really isn’t another guy on this tier, imho.


I’m of the opinion that the Vikings absolutely need to come out of this draft with one of those 6 quarterbacks. It’s an unserious, Mickey Mouse operation if they don’t.

You kind of have the same QB's hierarchy I have. Except I don't think I'd take McCarthy or Penix at 11. Probably wouldn't take them until the 2nd round or try to move down and take them. I like Penix, just think he could be had lower. (Could be wrong)

And 100% agree, Vikings have to come away with a QB. And I'm fine bringing Cousins back for a year or two while they sit behind him. I'd actually prefer that because IMO, throwing a QB into the fire is the worst thing you can do. I don't know why HC's do it. Hate it.

[salamander]

What a brilliant thought: select a top QB in the draft without missing and have him pro ready from the get go.

Everybody understands the pros and cons to drafting a QB and that it's all potential and not guaranteed. Let's not pretend they don't.

[Beef Supreme]

If Daniels falls to us in the 1st, I will be absolutely ecstatic.

Urgently, I have it as such:

I would be ecstatic with Williams, Maye, or Daniels. Most likely, we’d have to trade up significantly to get any of them. But if the Vikings feel strongly enough to go get one of them and can find a dance parter, I’m all for it.

I’d be fine with McCarthy or Penix at 11. Maybe a small trade up to make sure you get them, but I don’t think I’m mortgaging the future to get either of them.

The next tier is pretty much Bo Nix, imho. He’s a guy I don’t like at 11, but would be cool with in the 2nd round or with a small trade up to the back of round 1. With Ewers going back to Texas, there really isn’t another guy on this tier, imho.


I’m of the opinion that the Vikings absolutely need to come out of this draft with one of those 6 quarterbacks. It’s an unserious, Mickey Mouse operation if they don’t.

You kind of have the same QB's hierarchy I have. Except I don't think I'd take McCarthy or Penix at 11. Probably wouldn't take them until the 2nd round or try to move down and take them. I like Penix, just think he could be had lower. (Could be wrong)

And 100% agree, Vikings have to come away with a QB. And I'm fine bringing Cousins back for a year or two while they sit behind him. I'd actually prefer that because IMO, throwing a QB into the fire is the worst thing you can do. I don't know why HC's do it. Hate it.

Im fine debating exactly where food value for one of those guys is. Reasonable minds can have some variance.

And starting year 1 can work, see CJ Stroud this year. But I don’t see a downside to giving them at least a year as an understudy.

[cdr2529]

If Daniels falls to us in the 1st, I will be absolutely ecstatic.

You and me both!

[Small Hands]

If Daniels falls to us in the 1st, I will be absolutely ecstatic.

Urgently, I have it as such:

I would be ecstatic with Williams, Maye, or Daniels. Most likely, we’d have to trade up significantly to get any of them. But if the Vikings feel strongly enough to go get one of them and can find a dance parter, I’m all for it.

I’d be fine with McCarthy or Penix at 11. Maybe a small trade up to make sure you get them, but I don’t think I’m mortgaging the future to get either of them.

The next tier is pretty much Bo Nix, imho. He’s a guy I don’t like at 11, but would be cool with in the 2nd round or with a small trade up to the back of round 1. With Ewers going back to Texas, there really isn’t another guy on this tier, imho.


I’m of the opinion that the Vikings absolutely need to come out of this draft with one of those 6 quarterbacks. It’s an unserious, Mickey Mouse operation if they don’t.

If one of them falls to 4, they better be on the phone with Arizona. I don’t think the others will budge. The top 3 I mean. I have Nix ahead of McCarthy.

[Beetlejuice]

Gotta find a way to get Penix in this draft

Just draft him. He should be there at 11, I would think.

Yeah, he might be. But maybe not, who knows?

Nobody is taking Penix in the first round.

[Bunker Inspector]

Just draft him. He should be there at 11, I would think.

Yeah, he might be. But maybe not, who knows?

Nobody is taking Penix in the first round.

You'll either be right or wrong about that

[Mandatory]

I think this team would fare much better right now with a mobile capable QB, but give me the best available.

[Small Hands]

https://heavy.com/sports/minnesota-viki ... k-cousins/

Well… Let the JJ trade discussion officially begin.

[BuDG123]

Don’t get cute unless it’s a later round flier. I think our scouting on CBs has been suspect (Bynum aside). The Cine pick vs the Harry pick - 2nd round positions are sometimes worth 1st round picks but you can’t easily survive Cine/Booth/Gladney/Hughs/Bradbury and even Treadwell..that’s simply too much wasted early round draft capital to overcome with late hits (Pace) and even generational early draft hits like Jefferson, and FA.

Unfortunately that and Kurt’s role/salary/ now health status/age are making near term success extremely difficult. That Hock Injury really hurt the positional $ spend/ROI state of this team as well.

As is, 11 players will take up 54% of the cap in 2024, 9 players would take up 75% of the cap in 2025, and 9 players would take up 50% of the cap in 2026.

Bringing back the top players and trying to sign a couple top free agents is going to force the team to fill out the rest of the roster with a lot of players earning close to the minimum. This does not even have Darrisaw or Bynum extensions.

The Cousins, Hunter, O’Neill, and even Hockenson (post injury) deals look extremely burdensome given current state/needs/available cap to deal with roster consequences of missed high picks.

[Oriole81]

Don’t get cute unless it’s a later round flier. I think our scouting on CBs has been suspect (Bynum aside). The Cine pick vs the Harry pick - 2nd round positions are sometimes worth 1st round picks but you can’t easily survive Cine/Booth/Gladney/Hughs/Bradbury and even Treadwell..that’s simply too much wasted early round draft capital to overcome with late hits (Pace) and even generational early draft hits like Jefferson, and FA.

Unfortunately that and Kurt’s role/salary/ now health status/age are making near term success extremely difficult. That Hock Injury really hurt the positional $ spend/ROI state of this team as well.

As is, 11 players will take up 54% of the cap in 2024, 9 players would take up 75% of the cap in 2025, and 9 players would take up 50% of the cap in 2026.

Bringing back the top players and trying to sign a couple top free agents is going to force the team to fill out the rest of the roster with a lot of players earning close to the minimum. This does not even have Darrisaw or Bynum extensions.

The Cousins, Hunter, O’Neill, and even Hockenson (post injury) deals look extremely burdensome given current state/needs/available cap to deal with roster consequences of missed high picks.

About this, the league is purposely designed to have 60% of your roster be guys that are on cheap, rookie scale deals.
That's 32 guys right there.

Then you'll invariably have a few truly veteran minimum guys like your backup OL/DL (Schlottman, Brandel), possibly your backup QB, one or two back of the roster offensive skill position guys (Mundt, Gaskin), and one or two core special teamers (Najee, Dye).

Then you stack the difference with expensive studs.
Our future cap is actually set up perfectly.

[medicineball]

For a dominant team, you need 32 quality starters/near starters. These are the 22 offensive and defensive starters, K, P, LS, nickle CB, dime CB, 3rd WR, 4th WR, backup QB, and the special teams ace.The rest of the roster needs to be filled with quality role players who back up the starters and also play special teams. That's a lot of quality players needed, and quality players like to get paid healthy amounts.

If you are lucky enough to get a QB like Mahomes, yes, go ahead and pay that guy at a very high level. This is basically never the case, however. Chances are, you will be like 31/32 teams and not have that guy. Therefore, it makes sense to not pay the QB like a Cousins, a Lamar Jackson, or a Russell Wilson. In Vikings history, there has been only one true franchise QB: Tarkenton. Everybody else like flamed out or never got it done. Spread out the available salary cap to have a better overall team, starting on the offensive and defensive lines.

The top thing a QB needs is an offensive line for pass protection. Start with the lines.