Latest Mock Penix to Minnesota!!!!!

[Beef Supreme]

Not sure why that would be the case. Coaches might just want the arm talent where as the Scouts are looking at the injuries.

I could buy that.

Coaches blinded by the talent. Visions of what that arm could do dancing in their heads. Scouts by nature have to be more critical/pessimistic.


Truth is usually in the middle.




Or this is just more made up bullshit.

[PurpleFloyd]

Whatever QB is there at 11 is the best pick for the team

[D_H]

Kurt Warner has Penix as a third best quarterback coming out. I’d stay at 11 and get him there if he lastsat long.


Throws a deep out without any effort.

The Sugar bowl proved he was more than capable of making any NFL pass with ease

Exhibits elite field generalship; excels in dissecting defensive alignments pre-snap, ensuring high-percentage throws post-snap.

Shows touch on deep balls and intermediate routes, demonstrating an ability to drop dimes in tight coverage.

Shows continued progression in arm mechanics, adept at layering throws over linebackers and under safeties with precision.

Routinely identifies mismatches and exploits secondary weaknesses with rapid progression.

[RubeTube]

Whatever QB is there at 11 is the best pick for the team

I’m starting to lean this way but I would still trade for Maye.

I think if WASH selects Daniels, the Vikings will trade with NE for Maye. If that doesn’t happen, they take their guy at #11.

[cdr2529]

Whatever QB is there at 11 is the best pick for the team

I’m starting to lean this way but I would still trade for Maye.

I think if WASH selects Daniels, the Vikings will trade with NE for Maye. If that doesn’t happen, they take their guy at #11.

Agree!

[Beef Supreme]

Whatever QB is there at 11 is the best pick for the team

I’m starting to lean this way but I would still trade for Maye.

I think if WASH selects Daniels, the Vikings will trade with NE for Maye. If that doesn’t happen, they take their guy at #11.

Yep.


And that guy is Penix.

[RubeTube]

Whatever QB is there at 11 is the best pick for the team

I’m starting to lean this way but I would still trade for Maye.

I think if WASH selects Daniels, the Vikings will trade with NE for Maye. If that doesn’t happen, they take their guy at #11.

Yep.


And that guy is Penix.

That’s what i’ve been saying.

It’s either going to be Maye or Penix imo.

[Beef Supreme]

I’m starting to lean this way but I would still trade for Maye.

I think if WASH selects Daniels, the Vikings will trade with NE for Maye. If that doesn’t happen, they take their guy at #11.

Yep.


And that guy is Penix.

That’s what i’ve been saying.

It’s either going to be Maye or Penix imo.

I agree. I’m cool either way, but I kinda hope we take the big swing.

[RubeTube]

Yep.


And that guy is Penix.

That’s what i’ve been saying.

It’s either going to be Maye or Penix imo.

I agree. I’m cool either way, but I kinda hope we take the big swing.

Same.

[William Munny]

That’s what i’ve been saying.

It’s either going to be Maye or Penix imo.

I agree. I’m cool either way, but I kinda hope we take the big swing.

Same.

Breer acknowledged that one NFC executive called Penix a "three-point shooter." The insider also said that game film showed Penix struggled to make plays underneath during the national title contest versus Michigan on Jan. 8. In total, Penix completed 27-of-51 passes for 255 yards with one touchdown and two interceptions in the 34-13 defeat against the Wolverines.

"The optimist (coaches) would say that can be fixed with some mechanical work," Breer added about Penix. "The pessimist (scouts, in this case) would say he’s been in school for six years, and had great coaching, so it’s not like folks haven’t been trying."

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/af ... ec68&ei=14

[D_H]

It's safe to say at least one offensive coach in the AFC would love to have Michael Penix Jr. on his team.

"Penix is my No. 2 guy," the coach said of the Washington quarterback prospect, per Albert Breer of Sports Illustrated. "I love Penix. He's a stud, a born leader, calm and collected and in a genuine way. He's a baller. He turns it loose, can throw it into tight windows. He stands in the pocket, lets plays develop, takes hits, throws it down the field. He's just a winner."

He did plenty of winning in his final season with the Huskies and led them all the way to the College Football Playoff national championship game.

Best arm talent in draft for sure.

[Da Gas Man's Ghost]

It's safe to say at least one offensive coach in the AFC would love to have Michael Penix Jr. on his team.

"Penix is my No. 2 guy," the coach said of the Washington quarterback prospect, per Albert Breer of Sports Illustrated. "I love Penix. He's a stud, a born leader, calm and collected and in a genuine way. He's a baller. He turns it loose, can throw it into tight windows. He stands in the pocket, lets plays develop, takes hits, throws it down the field. He's just a winner."

He did plenty of winning in his final season with the Huskies and led them all the way to the College Football Playoff national championship game.

Best arm talent in draft for sure.

Maye's arm talent is better. And better mechanics. But Penix does have a really nice arm.

[witljon]

It's safe to say at least one offensive coach in the AFC would love to have Michael Penix Jr. on his team.

"Penix is my No. 2 guy," the coach said of the Washington quarterback prospect, per Albert Breer of Sports Illustrated. "I love Penix. He's a stud, a born leader, calm and collected and in a genuine way. He's a baller. He turns it loose, can throw it into tight windows. He stands in the pocket, lets plays develop, takes hits, throws it down the field. He's just a winner."

He did plenty of winning in his final season with the Huskies and led them all the way to the College Football Playoff national championship game.

Best arm talent in draft for sure.

Maye's arm talent is better. And better mechanics. But Penix does have a really nice arm.

I still believe injury concern is the main separator between Maye and Penix. They’re fairly even using the on field eyeball test.

[Da Gas Man's Ghost]

It's safe to say at least one offensive coach in the AFC would love to have Michael Penix Jr. on his team.

"Penix is my No. 2 guy," the coach said of the Washington quarterback prospect, per Albert Breer of Sports Illustrated. "I love Penix. He's a stud, a born leader, calm and collected and in a genuine way. He's a baller. He turns it loose, can throw it into tight windows. He stands in the pocket, lets plays develop, takes hits, throws it down the field. He's just a winner."

He did plenty of winning in his final season with the Huskies and led them all the way to the College Football Playoff national championship game.

Best arm talent in draft for sure.

Maye's arm talent is better. And better mechanics. But Penix does have a really nice arm.

I still believe injury concern is the main separator between Maye and Penix. They’re fairly even using the on field eyeball test.

While I agree that is a factor, there are several others:

1. Age - Penix is significantly older. Which means he's closer to his finished product. If they are close now in product, then scouts would likely see far more potential upside for Maye.
2. Righty vs Lefty is not insignificant.
3. Throwing mechanics. Maye needs to work on his footwork but Penix would need to rework his entire throwing motion. And it's a low release which is an issue in the NFL.
4. Mobility - Penix's rushing and scrambling are not existent. That's big in the NFL. Penix usually reads the defense (extremely well, BTW) and makes his decision pre-snap. And it's usually the right play because he is so elite at reading defenses. But if the play breaks down, there isn't much magic there.


And those are some significant factors. It's the reason that people are at least thinking there's a possibility that Penix MIGHT be there at 23 with 94 QB-needy teams after the Vikings. Injury is a significant factor but those other issues are as well.

[RubeTube]

Maye's arm talent is better. And better mechanics. But Penix does have a really nice arm.

I still believe injury concern is the main separator between Maye and Penix. They’re fairly even using the on field eyeball test.

While I agree that is a factor, there are several others:

1. Age - Penix is significantly older. Which means he's closer to his finished product. If they are close now in product, then scouts would likely see far more potential upside for Maye.
2. Righty vs Lefty is not insignificant.
3. Throwing mechanics. Maye needs to work on his footwork but Penix would need to rework his entire throwing motion. And it's a low release which is an issue in the NFL.
4. Mobility - Penix's rushing and scrambling are not existent. That's big in the NFL. Penix usually reads the defense (extremely well, BTW) and makes his decision pre-snap. And it's usually the right play because he is so elite at reading defenses. But if the play breaks down, there isn't much magic there.


And those are some significant factors. It's the reason that people are at least thinking there's a possibility that Penix MIGHT be there at 23 with 94 QB-needy teams after the Vikings. Injury is a significant factor but those other issues are as well.

If I know I can get Penix at #23, i’m taking that all day. I might even pass on a Maye trade up if that were the case. Draft best D player at #11.

[salamander]

[Beef Supreme]

Maye's arm talent is better. And better mechanics. But Penix does have a really nice arm.

I still believe injury concern is the main separator between Maye and Penix. They’re fairly even using the on field eyeball test.

While I agree that is a factor, there are several others:

1. Age - Penix is significantly older. Which means he's closer to his finished product. If they are close now in product, then scouts would likely see far more potential upside for Maye.
2. Righty vs Lefty is not insignificant.
3. Throwing mechanics. Maye needs to work on his footwork but Penix would need to rework his entire throwing motion. And it's a low release which is an issue in the NFL.
4. Mobility - Penix's rushing and scrambling are not existent. That's big in the NFL. Penix usually reads the defense (extremely well, BTW) and makes his decision pre-snap. And it's usually the right play because he is so elite at reading defenses. But if the play breaks down, there isn't much magic there.


And those are some significant factors. It's the reason that people are at least thinking there's a possibility that Penix MIGHT be there at 23 with 94 QB-needy teams after the Vikings. Injury is a significant factor but those other issues are as well.

1 - agreed on the “closer to finished” angle. I think he’ll have a learning curve about NFL offenses and defenses, but in terms of skill or physical development, there won’t be much.

But I don’t care at all about the age in terms of length of career or whatever. If he’s good and healthy, he’ll still have a 12-15 career. That’s plenty.

2 - but not that significant. Some adjustments and learning curve for receivers catching the ball with the opposite spin. But not that big of a deal.

3 - I think if you take Penix you only do so if you think he can be successful with the mechanics he has. If they bother you that much, don’t take him.

4 - Penix is an underrated athlete. He’s got really good pocket awareness and mobility. But he’s not going to give you much of a rushing dimension. I don’t think that’s because he can’t. I think it’s a health choice given his injury history and also because he’s such an elite processor. But you’re right that his go to when things break down is to get rid of the ball. But that’s fine because as you said he almost always makes good decisions. If you want to run a read-option offense or something else that relies on the QB picking up yards with his feet, he’s not your guy.

[Beef Supreme]

I still believe injury concern is the main separator between Maye and Penix. They’re fairly even using the on field eyeball test.

While I agree that is a factor, there are several others:

1. Age - Penix is significantly older. Which means he's closer to his finished product. If they are close now in product, then scouts would likely see far more potential upside for Maye.
2. Righty vs Lefty is not insignificant.
3. Throwing mechanics. Maye needs to work on his footwork but Penix would need to rework his entire throwing motion. And it's a low release which is an issue in the NFL.
4. Mobility - Penix's rushing and scrambling are not existent. That's big in the NFL. Penix usually reads the defense (extremely well, BTW) and makes his decision pre-snap. And it's usually the right play because he is so elite at reading defenses. But if the play breaks down, there isn't much magic there.


And those are some significant factors. It's the reason that people are at least thinking there's a possibility that Penix MIGHT be there at 23 with 94 QB-needy teams after the Vikings. Injury is a significant factor but those other issues are as well.

If I know I can get Penix at #23, i’m taking that all day. I might even pass on a Maye trade up if that were the case. Draft best D player at #11.

You can certainly make this argument. Not sure how I fall on it. But I doubt Penix gets past all those QB-needy teams in the teens.

[RubeTube]

While I agree that is a factor, there are several others:

1. Age - Penix is significantly older. Which means he's closer to his finished product. If they are close now in product, then scouts would likely see far more potential upside for Maye.
2. Righty vs Lefty is not insignificant.
3. Throwing mechanics. Maye needs to work on his footwork but Penix would need to rework his entire throwing motion. And it's a low release which is an issue in the NFL.
4. Mobility - Penix's rushing and scrambling are not existent. That's big in the NFL. Penix usually reads the defense (extremely well, BTW) and makes his decision pre-snap. And it's usually the right play because he is so elite at reading defenses. But if the play breaks down, there isn't much magic there.


And those are some significant factors. It's the reason that people are at least thinking there's a possibility that Penix MIGHT be there at 23 with 94 QB-needy teams after the Vikings. Injury is a significant factor but those other issues are as well.

If I know I can get Penix at #23, i’m taking that all day. I might even pass on a Maye trade up if that were the case. Draft best D player at #11.

You can certainly make this argument. Not sure how I fall on it. But I doubt Penix gets past all those QB-needy teams in the teens.

I don’t think he does either. I think you will have to take him at #11. That’s why at a scenario at #23 would MAYEby too good to pass up?

[Beef Supreme]

If I know I can get Penix at #23, i’m taking that all day. I might even pass on a Maye trade up if that were the case. Draft best D player at #11.

You can certainly make this argument. Not sure how I fall on it. But I doubt Penix gets past all those QB-needy teams in the teens.

I don’t think he does either. I think you will have to take him at #11. That’s why at a scenario at #23 would MAYEby too good to pass up?

Yeah. Turner/Murphy/Newton at 11 and Penix at 23 would be a fantastic day.


But I doubt it’s likely and I’d feel weird about it. If you think Penix is worth 23, isn’t he worth 11? If you think he can be the answer, don’t take the risk someone else snipes him. Take him at 11. If you don’t think he can be the answer, then don’t take him at all.


It would feel like they don’t really believe in him if they pass at 11 and take him at 23.

[minnemike]

It would feel like they don’t really believe in him if they pass at 11 and take him at 23.

This is how I feel. Of course its much better value. However, it would also mean all those other teams don't think he is worth it. That's alot of doubt across the league on him. You have to value the opinion from multiple teams. IF this is how they roll and get away with it, you have to hope KOC knows something that no one else knows. I'm not ready to say he's that much of a genius yet.

[Beef Supreme]

It would feel like they don’t really believe in him if they pass at 11 and take him at 23.

This is how I feel. Of course its much better value. However, it would also mean all those other teams don't think he is worth it. That's alot of doubt across the league on him. You have to value the opinion from multiple teams. IF this is how they roll and get away with it, you have to hope KOC knows something that no one else knows. I'm not ready to say he's that much of a genius yet.

Right. If you believe in him, don’t fuck around with the risk you get sniped and take him at 11.

If you don’t believe in him, don’t take him at all.

[D_H]

NFL insider on Penix


“Seeing him in person, seeing the way the ball spins, seeing the way he can push the ball effortlessly down the football field is special….You’re not going to get a lot of outside-the-pocket type of plays with Michael Penix….But you’re going to get a lot of in-the-pocket throws that make you say, ‘Whoo, what a throw.’ That’s special instincts and feel right there.”


I say we do not get cute and trade any picks - Take him at 11 if you like him which I’m sure they do - what’s not to like his arm talent is off the charts.

[William Munny]

NFL insider on Penix


“Seeing him in person, seeing the way the ball spins, seeing the way he can push the ball effortlessly down the football field is special….You’re not going to get a lot of outside-the-pocket type of plays with Michael Penix….But you’re going to get a lot of in-the-pocket throws that make you say, ‘Whoo, what a throw.’ That’s special instincts and feel right there.”


I say we do not get cute and trade any picks - Take him at 11 if you like him which I’m sure they do - what’s not to like his arm talent is off the charts.

Penix is horrible throwing underneath. Michigan dared Penix to throw underneath and failed. "Brittle knees" that will crumble after a couple games of hits in the NFL. Nah, pass.

[weimy froob]

NFL insider on Penix


“Seeing him in person, seeing the way the ball spins, seeing the way he can push the ball effortlessly down the football field is special….You’re not going to get a lot of outside-the-pocket type of plays with Michael Penix….But you’re going to get a lot of in-the-pocket throws that make you say, ‘Whoo, what a throw.’ That’s special instincts and feel right there.”


I say we do not get cute and trade any picks - Take him at 11 if you like him which I’m sure they do - what’s not to like his arm talent is off the charts.

Penix is horrible throwing underneath. Michigan dared Penix to throw underneath and failed. "Brittle knees" that will crumble after a couple games of hits in the NFL. Nah, pass.

gotta pass because of the knees too. sorry. not, sorry.

[Hoop Dreams]

[RubeTube]

With Penix hand size… I have no doubt he can grip it, rip it and zip it.

[Oriole81]

With Penix hand size… I have no doubt he can grip it, rip it and zip it.

we still talking football here?

[mlhouse]

If I was doing the draft board for the Vikings, I would have finally added Michael Penix to the board, but there is zero chance I am taking him at 11 even though I think that the value at 11 for our positions of need isnt real strong. I would consider him at 23. I would prefer to trade down from 23 and take him, adding some valuable draft capital to our asset list. But not taking him at 11.

If another team "snipes" him in between the value position I feel he is worth, lets just ride with Sam Darnold and hope for the best. Maybe good coaching and having solid receivers around him is what he needed to get to that next and with what appears to be an improving defense (especially with a couple of solid draft picks) this team can be competitive.

Oh, I get that the word "competitive" spikes up the dander of the guys who insist that if we aren't winning a Super Bowl, and if a QB like Kirk Cousins has not won the big one then they suck. The QB has to be a winner. Yet, most of these people who have made these statements in the past denigrate JJ McCarthy. He led his team to a 15-0 National Championship, but I guess that was just game management that doesn't matter.

[D_H]

If I was doing the draft board for the Vikings, I would have finally added Michael Penix to the board, but there is zero chance I am taking him at 11 even though I think that the value at 11 for our positions of need isnt real strong. I would consider him at 23. I would prefer to trade down from 23 and take him, adding some valuable draft capital to our asset list. But not taking him at 11.

If another team "snipes" him in between the value position I feel he is worth, lets just ride with Sam Darnold and hope for the best. Maybe good coaching and having solid receivers around him is what he needed to get to that next and with what appears to be an improving defense (especially with a couple of solid draft picks) this team can be competitive.

Oh, I get that the word "competitive" spikes up the dander of the guys who insist that if we aren't winning a Super Bowl, and if a QB like Kirk Cousins has not won the big one then they suck. The QB has to be a winner. Yet, most of these people who have made these statements in the past denigrate JJ McCarthy. He led his team to a 15-0 National Championship, but I guess that was just game management that doesn't matter.

But you compare JJ McCarthy to Josh Allen it’s safe to say no one takes you seriously after that nonsense

By the way, JJ McCarthy did not lead his team to anything he was along for the ride. Lololololo