Would you trade up for the #1 pick and what would it take?

[weimy froob]

I googled scouting report on JJ McCarthy and here’s the first thing that showed up lol


Above-average toughness in the pocket; willing to take hits to get the ball out. — Skinny, sub-205-pound build that will invite injuries. — One-speed thrower with average arm talent. Often fails to add arc and touch when necessary, especially outside the numbers.

Comparing JJ McCarthy to Josh Allen was simply a ridiculous take by mlhouse. He’s clearly mistaken in his comparison. Josh Allen is 6 foot five 240 pounds with an absolute Cannon for an arm. I’m not sure what he’s thinking about???

the eye test tomorrow night. let's see how everyone feels about the potential choice after that game.

Yeah, but comparing JJ McCarthy, who is skinny with a bad arm to Josh Allen who is 6-5 240 with a rocket arm is absolutely a ridiculous take.

i haven't seen "bad arm". in the scouting report i posted in one of the threads it was anything but that with his throws to the outside. you might have read the wrong scouting report. let's use the eye test tomorrow and see what we think.

[mlhouse]

i'd take mccarthy over penix just because of the injury history. i've watched little of both of them--but if you''re suffering injuries like that in college ball what's going to happen when you're in the NFL? but mlhouse they can't miss on that pick if that's what they do. job killers if they do.

Again, if selecting NFL QBs in the draft was easy, then everything will be fine.

I prefer to sign veteran FA QBs like Kirk Cousins. That was a golden opportunity and I think the Vikings mostly blew it with Mike Zimmer as the HC for most of Cousins' tenure with the team. Zimmer single handedly cost them playoff opportunity in 2018, throwing away several wins. We had a 100+ catch receiving duo in Thielen and Diggs (btw, Stefon Diggs now has 4 consecutive 100+ catch seasons, with 5 100+ catch seasons in the last 6 seasons), Kyle Rudolph at TE, and Dalvin Cook (until he was hurt).

I agree that this is the opportunity to find a future franchise level QB sitting at #11 in a draft that could have 6 quarterbacks selected in the first round.

What you say about the can't miss is why I would be reluctant to make any violent moves up the draft board surrendering future picks. IN this draft I would prefer to sit at 11 and take the QB available, although I am not fixed to that position as of yet. Plus, to move up for a guy like Jayden Daniels I would need to know that my coach is committed to structuring the offense around Daniels, not forcing Daniels into the same offense that Kirk Cousins plays (which he basically did for Josh Dobbs).

One note, which I have said many times, to those who still rue the day we did not draft Lamar Jackson. How successful do you think he would have been with Mike Zimmer as the head coach? Zimmer is a guy who started Olibisi Johnson the first two games of 2020 ahead of Justin Jefferson, Justin Jefferson's rookie season and only managed to target him 6 times in the first two games until he broke out in game 3. When do you think Lamar Jackson sees the field with ZImmer as the coach? Year 3? DO you think ZImmer gives a shit about a rookie "dual threat" QB and changes to that style of offense? HELL NO. I doubt Jackson makes it through his rookie contract if MInnesota would have drafted him.

pure speculation on jackson/zimmer. he went with teddy--he'd have gone with jackson in year two for sure.

It isn't specualtion at all. There is no way Zimmer sets up an offense with the quarterback running the football 150 times or more in a season. Never in a million years. If you put Lamar in the Bridgewater offense, he SUCKS. HE is terrible.

[Hornets]

the eye test tomorrow night. let's see how everyone feels about the potential choice after that game.

Yeah, but comparing JJ McCarthy, who is skinny with a bad arm to Josh Allen who is 6-5 240 with a rocket arm is absolutely a ridiculous take.

i haven't seen "bad arm". in the scouting report i posted in one of the threads it was anything but that with his throws to the outside. you might have read the wrong scouting report. let's use the eye test tomorrow and see what we think.

I agree Weimy...it will be a wonderful opportunity to contrast and compare the two tomorrow under the brightest spotlight!

[witljon]

the eye test tomorrow night. let's see how everyone feels about the potential choice after that game.

Yeah, but comparing JJ McCarthy, who is skinny with a bad arm to Josh Allen who is 6-5 240 with a rocket arm is absolutely a ridiculous take.

i haven't seen "bad arm". in the scouting report i posted in one of the threads it was anything but that with his throws to the outside. you might have read the wrong scouting report. let's use the eye test tomorrow and see what we think.

It’d be a better eye test if Michigan threw a little more.

[weimy froob]

Again, if selecting NFL QBs in the draft was easy, then everything will be fine.

I prefer to sign veteran FA QBs like Kirk Cousins. That was a golden opportunity and I think the Vikings mostly blew it with Mike Zimmer as the HC for most of Cousins' tenure with the team. Zimmer single handedly cost them playoff opportunity in 2018, throwing away several wins. We had a 100+ catch receiving duo in Thielen and Diggs (btw, Stefon Diggs now has 4 consecutive 100+ catch seasons, with 5 100+ catch seasons in the last 6 seasons), Kyle Rudolph at TE, and Dalvin Cook (until he was hurt).

I agree that this is the opportunity to find a future franchise level QB sitting at #11 in a draft that could have 6 quarterbacks selected in the first round.

What you say about the can't miss is why I would be reluctant to make any violent moves up the draft board surrendering future picks. IN this draft I would prefer to sit at 11 and take the QB available, although I am not fixed to that position as of yet. Plus, to move up for a guy like Jayden Daniels I would need to know that my coach is committed to structuring the offense around Daniels, not forcing Daniels into the same offense that Kirk Cousins plays (which he basically did for Josh Dobbs).

One note, which I have said many times, to those who still rue the day we did not draft Lamar Jackson. How successful do you think he would have been with Mike Zimmer as the head coach? Zimmer is a guy who started Olibisi Johnson the first two games of 2020 ahead of Justin Jefferson, Justin Jefferson's rookie season and only managed to target him 6 times in the first two games until he broke out in game 3. When do you think Lamar Jackson sees the field with ZImmer as the coach? Year 3? DO you think ZImmer gives a shit about a rookie "dual threat" QB and changes to that style of offense? HELL NO. I doubt Jackson makes it through his rookie contract if MInnesota would have drafted him.

pure speculation on jackson/zimmer. he went with teddy--he'd have gone with jackson in year two for sure.

It isn't specualtion at all. There is no way Zimmer sets up an offense with the quarterback running the football 150 times or more in a season. Never in a million years. If you put Lamar in the Bridgewater offense, he SUCKS. HE is terrible.

i remember watching lamar in the playoff game against the chargers when they said he couldn't throw the ball. you could still see that he had that "it" factor on the passes he did complete and his feet. i think they would've figured something out. he wouldn't have been "terrible".

[mlhouse]

pure speculation on jackson/zimmer. he went with teddy--he'd have gone with jackson in year two for sure.

It isn't specualtion at all. There is no way Zimmer sets up an offense with the quarterback running the football 150 times or more in a season. Never in a million years. If you put Lamar in the Bridgewater offense, he SUCKS. HE is terrible.

i remember watching lamar in the playoff game against the chargers when they said he couldn't throw the ball. you could still see that he had that "it" factor on the passes he did complete and his feet. i think they would've figured something out. he wouldn't have been "terrible".

Mike Zimmer's coaching staff would have never figured it out.

[Hornets]

pure speculation on jackson/zimmer. he went with teddy--he'd have gone with jackson in year two for sure.

It isn't specualtion at all. There is no way Zimmer sets up an offense with the quarterback running the football 150 times or more in a season. Never in a million years. If you put Lamar in the Bridgewater offense, he SUCKS. HE is terrible.

i remember watching lamar in the playoff game against the chargers when they said he couldn't throw the ball. you could still see that he had that "it" factor on the passes he did complete and his feet. i think they would've figured something out. he wouldn't have been "terrible".

Congratulations on 84,000 posts Weimy!

[weimy froob]

Yeah, but comparing JJ McCarthy, who is skinny with a bad arm to Josh Allen who is 6-5 240 with a rocket arm is absolutely a ridiculous take.

i haven't seen "bad arm". in the scouting report i posted in one of the threads it was anything but that with his throws to the outside. you might have read the wrong scouting report. let's use the eye test tomorrow and see what we think.

It’d be a better eye test if Michigan threw a little more.

let's just see what we see and then there can be more talk. he's already got a head start in the way i'm thinking because he's got healthy knees. whoever takes penix is taking a big risk because of that.

[weimy froob]

It isn't specualtion at all. There is no way Zimmer sets up an offense with the quarterback running the football 150 times or more in a season. Never in a million years. If you put Lamar in the Bridgewater offense, he SUCKS. HE is terrible.

i remember watching lamar in the playoff game against the chargers when they said he couldn't throw the ball. you could still see that he had that "it" factor on the passes he did complete and his feet. i think they would've figured something out. he wouldn't have been "terrible".

Congratulations on 84,000 posts Weimy!

thanks. i had to look over to check it out myself. 100K might be in the future.

[Hornets]

i remember watching lamar in the playoff game against the chargers when they said he couldn't throw the ball. you could still see that he had that "it" factor on the passes he did complete and his feet. i think they would've figured something out. he wouldn't have been "terrible".

Congratulations on 84,000 posts Weimy!

thanks. i had to look over to check it out myself. 100K might be in the future.

I'm making my way to 50,000!

[weimy froob]

Congratulations on 84,000 posts Weimy!

thanks. i had to look over to check it out myself. 100K might be in the future.

I'm making my way to 50,000!

that's a lot too. wait until baseball season and the posts go up pretty good. btw, the twins season was a funner one than the vikings this year. you should be as excited for that next one as you were for this vikings one.

[Hornets]

thanks. i had to look over to check it out myself. 100K might be in the future.

I'm making my way to 50,000!

that's a lot too. wait until baseball season and the posts go up pretty good. btw, the twins season was a funner one than the vikings this year. you should be as excited for that next one as you were for this vikings one.

[witljon]

i haven't seen "bad arm". in the scouting report i posted in one of the threads it was anything but that with his throws to the outside. you might have read the wrong scouting report. let's use the eye test tomorrow and see what we think.

It’d be a better eye test if Michigan threw a little more.

let's just see what we see and then there can be more talk. he's already got a head start in the way i'm thinking because he's got healthy knees. whoever takes penix is taking a big risk because of that.

When talking eye test, I’m taking Penix over McCarthy. I’ve seen Penix in at least 4 games and McCarthy in 3 games.

[weimy froob]

It’d be a better eye test if Michigan threw a little more.

let's just see what we see and then there can be more talk. he's already got a head start in the way i'm thinking because he's got healthy knees. whoever takes penix is taking a big risk because of that.

When talking eye test, I’m taking Penix over McCarthy. I’ve seen Penix in at least 4 games and McCarthy in 3 games.

all prelude to tomorrow night. new opinions could be formed. old opinions could be solidified.

[PurpleFloyd]

Trading up when you have as many weak spots as we do on the roster is crazy. There is zero chance we do it and if we do there is only a very slim chance it works

[Obi-Wan]

Trading up when you have as many weak spots as we do on the roster is crazy. There is zero chance we do it and if we do there is only a very slim chance it works

Plus kwesi has a fondness for short term solutions. If they resign cousins, I sense he will draft a position other than QB.

[witljon]

Trading up when you have as many weak spots as we do on the roster is crazy. There is zero chance we do it and if we do there is only a very slim chance it works

Plus kwesi has a fondness for short term solutions. If they resign cousins, I sense he will draft a position other than QB.

There will be a few veteran QBs moving to new teams. That list could include Ryan Tannehill, Russell Wilson, Justin Fields, and Kirk Cousins.

[witljon]

Trading up when you have as many weak spots as we do on the roster is crazy. There is zero chance we do it and if we do there is only a very slim chance it works

I think the first 3 picks will be QBs . And the first 3 teams picking will not be trading their picks. The Bears will more than likely pick Caleb Williams. The Redskins will take Drake Maye. And the Patriots will take Jayden Daniels. So that reduces the QB pool to Penix, McCarthy, and Nix. They might be too big a gamble to trade up for the expense it takes to move up.

[D_H]

the eye test tomorrow night. let's see how everyone feels about the potential choice after that game.

Yeah, but comparing JJ McCarthy, who is skinny with a bad arm to Josh Allen who is 6-5 240 with a rocket arm is absolutely a ridiculous take.

i haven't seen "bad arm". in the scouting report i posted in one of the threads it was anything but that with his throws to the outside. you might have read the wrong scouting report. let's use the eye test tomorrow and see what we think.

Above-average toughness in the pocket; willing to take hits to get the ball out. — Skinny, sub-205-pound build that will invite injuries. — One-speed thrower with average arm talent. Often fails to add arc and touch when necessary, especially outside the numbers.

[D_H]

It’d be a better eye test if Michigan threw a little more.

let's just see what we see and then there can be more talk. he's already got a head start in the way i'm thinking because he's got healthy knees. whoever takes penix is taking a big risk because of that.

When talking eye test, I’m taking Penix over McCarthy. I’ve seen Penix in at least 4 games and McCarthy in 3 games.

No comparison really

[witljon]

Trading up when you have as many weak spots as we do on the roster is crazy. There is zero chance we do it and if we do there is only a very slim chance it works

Now that college football season is over, do/should we trade up, down, or sit tight?

[Beetlejuice]

Trading up when you have as many weak spots as we do on the roster is crazy. There is zero chance we do it and if we do there is only a very slim chance it works

Plus kwesi has a fondness for short term solutions. If they resign cousins, I sense he will draft a position other than QB.

There’s only 3 guys at QB who are bona fide 1st rounders. Anybody after that drafted in the 1st will be a massive over reach.

[cdr2529]

Trading up when you have as many weak spots as we do on the roster is crazy. There is zero chance we do it and if we do there is only a very slim chance it works

You trade up to get the best franchise QB as possible and attempt to filled the weak areas in the FA

Now that college football season is over, do/should we trade up, down, or sit tight?

[cdr2529]

Trading up when you have as many weak spots as we do on the roster is crazy. There is zero chance we do it and if we do there is only a very slim chance it works

You trade up to get the best franchise QB possible and attempt to fill the weak areas in the FA

Now that college football season is over, do/should we trade up, down, or sit tight?

[cdr2529]

To continue with this cousin nonsense is doing not to build a contender, people are acting like cousin has not been here for the last four to five years and we still are not a true contender

[Oriole81]

Trading up when you have as many weak spots as we do on the roster is crazy. There is zero chance we do it and if we do there is only a very slim chance it works

You trade up to get the best franchise QB as possible and attempt to filled the weak areas in the FA

Now that college football season is over, do/should we trade up, down, or sit tight?

It's going to take multiple years to retool this, so you shouldn't be afraid to worry about short term impacts if you think you can make a move that will have a bigger impact in the future.

[witljon]

To continue with this cousin nonsense is doing not to build a contender, people are acting like cousin has not been here for the last four to five years and we still are not a true contender

Has Cousins failed the Vikings or have the Vikings failed Cousins?

[witljon]

You trade up to get the best franchise QB as possible and attempt to filled the weak areas in the FA

Now that college football season is over, do/should we trade up, down, or sit tight?

It's going to take multiple years to retool this, so you shouldn't be afraid to worry about short term impacts if you think you can make a move that will have a bigger impact in the future.

The problem the Vikings are going to face is the first 3 teams picking won’t be interested in trading because they all want to draft a QB. Then we’re looking at QB prospects that probably will not be as good as Cousins. And we already have Mullens.

[cdr2529]

To continue with this cousin nonsense is doing not to build a contender, people are acting like cousin has not been here for the last four to five years and we still are not a true contender

Has Cousins failed the Vikings or have the Vikings failed Cousins?

Cousin failed the Vikings! When they had a better team Cousin still counted on getting the job done and you know why because he's just a little bit above average qb who can not scramble and get out of the pocket.

[cdr2529]

It's going to take multiple years to retool this, so you shouldn't be afraid to worry about short term impacts if you think you can make a move that will have a bigger impact in the future.

The problem the Vikings are going to face is the first 3 teams picking won’t be interested in trading because they all want to draft a QB. Then we’re looking at QB prospects that probably will not be as good as Cousins. And we already have Mullens.

Mullen and cousin must be relatives of yours because neither are them is good and Mullen is mediocrity and that is putting it mildly.