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TJ Hockenson is the best TE in the NFL right now.
It's been 32 years since one of MN's four major sports teams has been to the Championship/Superbowl.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
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He’s been great. He’s our Travis Kelce. Does Taylor Swift have a sister?
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Sportsrgreat wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 6:11 pm He’s been great. He’s our Travis Kelce. Does Taylor Swift have a sister?
Why don't you transcend this bit a little more? Tell us all again how you had apprehensions about the money?
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I'm from the same family lines as TJ Hockenson (pretty far removed) so he's fam.
It's been 32 years since one of MN's four major sports teams has been to the Championship/Superbowl.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
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How is it a bit? I wondered how we could pay him, Cousins, JJ, and Hunter.
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Sportsrgreat wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:03 pm How is it a bit? I wondered how we could pay him, Cousins, JJ, and Hunter.
It’s really easy.

First the salary cap is about $256M next year and most guys on the roster make less than $2M/per.

Second, a JJ contract would be an extension on top of his 2024 contract. So it wouldn’t kick in until 2025, when it is very likely Cousins will be off the books and the Cap will be around $265M.

There is plenty of room for JJ, Hunter, and Hockenson. Cousins too, if we want (uncertain). And this doesn’t even consider the void years you can use to keep cap costs down.

There’s plenty of room for Darrisaw in 2026 too.


It’s really not a problem. Some folks say it is, but they’re wrong. It isn’t. We will have no problem keeping our guys, financially speaking. Whether we want to pay them or decide to go in another direction is different. But if we want to keep all these guys we can and it’s not that hard. It will not require any wizardry.
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Beef Supreme wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:17 pm
Sportsrgreat wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:03 pm How is it a bit? I wondered how we could pay him, Cousins, JJ, and Hunter.
It’s really easy.

First the salary cap is about $256M next year and most guys on the roster make less than $2M/per.

Second, a JJ contract would be an extension on top of his 2024 contract. So it wouldn’t kick in until 2025, when it is very likely Cousins will be off the books and the Cap will be around $265M.

There is plenty of room for JJ, Hunter, and Hockenson. Cousins too, if we want (uncertain). And this doesn’t even consider the void years you can use to keep cap costs down.

There’s plenty of room for Darrisaw in 2026 too.


It’s really not a problem. Some folks say it is, but they’re wrong. It isn’t. We will have no problem keeping our guys, financially speaking. Whether we want to pay them or decide to go in another direction is different. But if we want to keep all these guys we can and it’s not that hard. It will not require any wizardry.
Maybe we should just both post this every day. Every. Single. Day. It would be a lot of work but maybe we could save a few from not understanding something that should be fairly easy to understand. Good Lord. :lol:
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I get it now. Anyway Hock is kicking ass. He is a good security blanket while Dobbs keeps learning the offense.
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salamander wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:18 am TJ Hockenson is the best TE in the NFL right now.
Great QB play
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D_H wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:30 pm
salamander wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:18 am TJ Hockenson is the best TE in the NFL right now.
Great QB play
This is true. :beer: Cousins couldn't figure out how to use Hock to his full potential.
It's been 32 years since one of MN's four major sports teams has been to the Championship/Superbowl.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
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salamander wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:28 am
D_H wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:30 pm
salamander wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:18 am TJ Hockenson is the best TE in the NFL right now.
Great QB play
This is true. :beer: Cousins couldn't figure out how to use Hock to his full potential.
For sure it’s was a weird thing
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salamander wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:28 am
D_H wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:30 pm
salamander wrote: Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:18 am TJ Hockenson is the best TE in the NFL right now.
Great QB play
This is true. :beer: Cousins couldn't figure out how to use Hock to his full potential.

Do you enjoy being lumped into same category as him? The difference being at least he has an excuse being a bit. :lol:
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hategreenticemase wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:39 am
salamander wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:28 am
D_H wrote: Thu Nov 16, 2023 5:30 pm

Great QB play
This is true. :beer: Cousins couldn't figure out how to use Hock to his full potential.

Do you enjoy being lumped into same category as him? The difference being at least he has an excuse being a bit. :lol:
His two longest catches in a Vikings uniform came from future pro bowler Josh "Passtronaut" Dobbs.
It's been 32 years since one of MN's four major sports teams has been to the Championship/Superbowl.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
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salamander wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:38 pm
hategreenticemase wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:39 am
salamander wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 8:28 am

This is true. :beer: Cousins couldn't figure out how to use Hock to his full potential.

Do you enjoy being lumped into same category as him? The difference being at least he has an excuse being a bit. :lol:
His two longest catches in a Vikings uniform came from future pro bowler Josh "Passtronaut" Dobbs.
Well then it must be true. :lol:
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hategreenticemase wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:50 pm
salamander wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:38 pm
hategreenticemase wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 9:39 am


Do you enjoy being lumped into same category as him? The difference being at least he has an excuse being a bit. :lol:
His two longest catches in a Vikings uniform came from future pro bowler Josh "Passtronaut" Dobbs.
Well then it must be true. :lol:
I'm glad we agree that Cousins has terrible pocket presence, holds the ball too long making his offensive line look worse than it is and struggles to get through his reads :D :beer: Cheers mate!
It's been 32 years since one of MN's four major sports teams has been to the Championship/Superbowl.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
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salamander wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:59 pm
hategreenticemase wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:50 pm
salamander wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:38 pm

His two longest catches in a Vikings uniform came from future pro bowler Josh "Passtronaut" Dobbs.
Well then it must be true. :lol:
I'm glad we agree that Cousins has terrible pocket presence, holds the ball too long making his offensive line look worse than it is and struggles to get through his reads :D :beer: Cheers mate!
You are equal parts amusing and can't make it up ridiculous. :lol:
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hategreenticemase wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 1:02 pm
salamander wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:59 pm
hategreenticemase wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:50 pm
Well then it must be true. :lol:
I'm glad we agree that Cousins has terrible pocket presence, holds the ball too long making his offensive line look worse than it is and struggles to get through his reads :D :beer: Cheers mate!
You are equal parts amusing and can't make it up ridiculous. :lol:
I don't care! Josh Dobbs babay!!!
It's been 32 years since one of MN's four major sports teams has been to the Championship/Superbowl.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
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ACL and MCL.

Good run. Unfortunate.

This season man.
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Wonnum is done too. That was expected.
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D_H wrote: Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:36 am Dobbs clearly likes him that being said KJ, and JJ have been out so once they are back the numbers will even out. Once JJ and KJ get back Dobbs is gonna be a complete nightmare for the rest of the NFL.
Oh, look at this. I scrolled back into the abyss and found this gem. An ancillary benefit to posting this. :lol:
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Offsides 97 defense wrote: Tue Dec 26, 2023 2:24 pm ACL and MCL.

Good run. Unfortunate.

This season man.
He’s gonna miss time next year too. Damn
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salamander wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:59 pm
hategreenticemase wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:50 pm
salamander wrote: Fri Nov 17, 2023 12:38 pm

His two longest catches in a Vikings uniform came from future pro bowler Josh "Passtronaut" Dobbs.
Well then it must be true. :lol:
I'm glad we agree that Cousins has terrible pocket presence, holds the ball too long making his offensive line look worse than it is and struggles to get through his reads :D :beer: Cheers mate!


Don't make up bullshit.
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Modern medical science is amazing. Still a long way to go for him, but 8 weeks post-op, this is impressive and encouraging.


A generation ago, this injury would have cost him the 2024 season and put his career in jeopardy.
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Beef Supreme wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:08 pm


Modern medical science is amazing. Still a long way to go for him, but 8 weeks post-op, this is impressive and encouraging.


A generation ago, this injury would have cost him the 2024 season and put his career in jeopardy.
You think he's ready week one?
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Offsides 97 defense wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:53 pm
Beef Supreme wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 3:08 pm


Modern medical science is amazing. Still a long way to go for him, but 8 weeks post-op, this is impressive and encouraging.


A generation ago, this injury would have cost him the 2024 season and put his career in jeopardy.
You think he's ready week one?
Possible. But I'm pretty sure doomsday stuff about him being out until mid-season is unwarranted.
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I don’t think he will be ready to start the season but im not concerned let him take his time, this team isn’t going anywhere this year
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Sergeant Rubetube wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:21 pm I don’t think he will be ready to start the season but im not concerned let him take his time, this team isn’t going anywhere this year
They paid Oliver a bunch of money too. Let him eat. For the record… I don’t think he will be activated to the roster til October at the earliest. Lifting weights doesn’t mean he’s anywhere near ready to sprint and make cuts.
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Small Hands wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:23 pm
Sergeant Rubetube wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:21 pm I don’t think he will be ready to start the season but im not concerned let him take his time, this team isn’t going anywhere this year
They paid Oliver a bunch of money too. Let him eat. For the record… I don’t think he will be activated to the roster til October at the earliest. Lifting weights doesn’t mean he’s anywhere near ready to sprint and make cuts.
I agree. But it’s March. There’s almost 6 months of rehab between now and then. That’s a long time when you’re getting the most advanced orthopedic care in the world.


Adrian Peterson rewrote the rehab book and that was 12 years ago. Medicine has continued to improve since then.
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Beef Supreme wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:40 pm
Small Hands wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:23 pm
Sergeant Rubetube wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 4:21 pm I don’t think he will be ready to start the season but im not concerned let him take his time, this team isn’t going anywhere this year
They paid Oliver a bunch of money too. Let him eat. For the record… I don’t think he will be activated to the roster til October at the earliest. Lifting weights doesn’t mean he’s anywhere near ready to sprint and make cuts.
I agree. But it’s March. There’s almost 6 months of rehab between now and then. That’s a long time when you’re getting the most advanced orthopedic care in the world.


Adrian Peterson rewrote the rehab book and that was 12 years ago. Medicine has continued to improve since then.
He will miss a minimum of the first 3 weeks imo.
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Sergeant Rubetube wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:43 pm
Beef Supreme wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:40 pm
Small Hands wrote: Wed Mar 27, 2024 7:23 pm

They paid Oliver a bunch of money too. Let him eat. For the record… I don’t think he will be activated to the roster til October at the earliest. Lifting weights doesn’t mean he’s anywhere near ready to sprint and make cuts.
I agree. But it’s March. There’s almost 6 months of rehab between now and then. That’s a long time when you’re getting the most advanced orthopedic care in the world.


Adrian Peterson rewrote the rehab book and that was 12 years ago. Medicine has continued to improve since then.
He will miss a minimum of the first 3 weeks imo.
He might. I don’t know. I’m sure he’ll start camp on the PUP list and we’ll take it from there.
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