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The Hock
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Has 72 receptions thus far. The record for a season is 116 by Ertz in 2018. He needs 45 receptions over the next seven games to break it. If he stays healthy, I think he can do it. Rookie QBs and QBs learning an offense love to throw to TEs. So far, this guy is worth the money.
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Re: The Hock
I remember threads earlier in the year, saying guys on here would rather have just kept Conklin or just drafted someone like LaPorta.
Let's take a current look at the stats...
Hockenson: 71 recs for 681 yards, 4 TDs
LaPorta: 47 for 474, 4 TDs
Conklin: 33 for 363, 0 TDs
Had the Lions just re-signed Hock, they wouldn't have had to trade down in RD1 to get the additional 2nd round pick to take LaPorta, and they could have just taken Jalen Carter at 6.
Let's take a current look at the stats...
Hockenson: 71 recs for 681 yards, 4 TDs
LaPorta: 47 for 474, 4 TDs
Conklin: 33 for 363, 0 TDs
Had the Lions just re-signed Hock, they wouldn't have had to trade down in RD1 to get the additional 2nd round pick to take LaPorta, and they could have just taken Jalen Carter at 6.
2020 All Time NBA Draft
A Iverson, K Irving
J Havlicek, M Ginobili, M Richmond
D Wilkins, B Bowen
T Duncan, B McAdoo
H Olajuwon, W Unseld, A Sabonis
A Iverson, K Irving
J Havlicek, M Ginobili, M Richmond
D Wilkins, B Bowen
T Duncan, B McAdoo
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Re: The Hock
How did he not get the game ball from KOC? They guy was a monster yesterday and while injured.
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Re: The Hock
I think the trade benefited both teams. And that, ostensibly, is the way it is supposed to work.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:31 am I remember threads earlier in the year, saying guys on here would rather have just kept Conklin or just drafted someone like LaPorta.
Let's take a current look at the stats...
Hockenson: 71 recs for 681 yards, 4 TDs
LaPorta: 47 for 474, 4 TDs
Conklin: 33 for 363, 0 TDs
Had the Lions just re-signed Hock, they wouldn't have had to trade down in RD1 to get the additional 2nd round pick to take LaPorta, and they could have just taken Jalen Carter at 6.
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Re: The Hock
There were four given out, and he got one.Sellingguy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:35 am How did he not get the game ball from KOC? They guy was a monster yesterday and while injured.
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Re: The Hock
He was an absolute warrior yesterday. Everybody's respect should be up.
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Re: The Hock
I don't like what they used the assets on particularly.Offsides 97 defense wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:39 amI think the trade benefited both teams. And that, ostensibly, is the way it is supposed to work.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:31 am I remember threads earlier in the year, saying guys on here would rather have just kept Conklin or just drafted someone like LaPorta.
Let's take a current look at the stats...
Hockenson: 71 recs for 681 yards, 4 TDs
LaPorta: 47 for 474, 4 TDs
Conklin: 33 for 363, 0 TDs
Had the Lions just re-signed Hock, they wouldn't have had to trade down in RD1 to get the additional 2nd round pick to take LaPorta, and they could have just taken Jalen Carter at 6.
With the equivalent cap space they signed a RB and a FS, neither of which are premier positions.
They passed on a monster DT, a premier position, to draft another RB as well as a lesser TE than they guy they traded out.
For a team that has not been starved for assets, I personally would rather just take the deal where I get the two best players at the more important positions.
2020 All Time NBA Draft
A Iverson, K Irving
J Havlicek, M Ginobili, M Richmond
D Wilkins, B Bowen
T Duncan, B McAdoo
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A Iverson, K Irving
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T Duncan, B McAdoo
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Re: The Hock
On the HAMS show this morning, they were saying that Dobbs and Hock worked out together in the offseason too?Offsides 97 defense wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:17 am Has 72 receptions thus far. The record for a season is 116 by Ertz in 2018. He needs 45 receptions over the next seven games to break it. If he stays healthy, I think he can do it. Rookie QBs and QBs learning an offense love to throw to TEs. So far, this guy is worth the money.
So apparently Dobbs knows his route running already.
First time I'd listened to them in months.
Also, 6 1/2 receptions per game is completely doable. That's a reception per game less than he's been doing all year.
And Dobbs has given him 27 targets in the last two games alone (18 receptions).
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It's been 32 years since one of MN's four major sports teams has been to the Championship/Superbowl.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
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Re: The Hock
That really did turn out to be a win win deal.
The Lions are fine and Hock is a beast. He’s playing as well as anybody in the league. Not too many performances in the league yesterday as good as his.
The Lions are fine and Hock is a beast. He’s playing as well as anybody in the league. Not too many performances in the league yesterday as good as his.
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Re: The Hock
Yeah, he was disappointing with the drops for a couple weeks there, but he is showing clearly he is a top TE and a big part of our deal here. So fucking mad, I removed him from several lineups yest because read later am his reps would be limited. Dumbfuck.Offsides 97 defense wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:17 am Has 72 receptions thus far. The record for a season is 116 by Ertz in 2018. He needs 45 receptions over the next seven games to break it. If he stays healthy, I think he can do it. Rookie QBs and QBs learning an offense love to throw to TEs. So far, this guy is worth the money.
PS. Not sure how good he is, I learned today that it's only because we throw the ball to him a lot. Same with JJ. Osborn also would be as good if we threw to him as much.
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Re: The Hock
LaPorta is a rookie. What he’s doing is special for a rookie TE. I like Hock. I think it’s the best move Kwesi has made, but I think there is a good chance Sammy turns into a better player down the road. A lot of the criticism early with Hockenson was also geared towards his drop rate through the first 4 games. He had a 9% drop rate in the first month of the season.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:31 am I remember threads earlier in the year, saying guys on here would rather have just kept Conklin or just drafted someone like LaPorta.
Let's take a current look at the stats...
Hockenson: 71 recs for 681 yards, 4 TDs
LaPorta: 47 for 474, 4 TDs
Conklin: 33 for 363, 0 TDs
Had the Lions just re-signed Hock, they wouldn't have had to trade down in RD1 to get the additional 2nd round pick to take LaPorta, and they could have just taken Jalen Carter at 6.
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Re: The Hock
Yes, and TEs take time to develop. That's long been known.Small Hands wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:05 amLaPorta is a rookie. What he’s doing is special for a rookie TE. I like Hock. I think it’s the best move Kwesi has made, but I think there is a good chance Sammy turns into a better player down the road. A lot of the criticism early with Hockenson was also geared towards his drop rate through the first 4 games. He had a 9% drop rate in the first month of the season.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:31 am I remember threads earlier in the year, saying guys on here would rather have just kept Conklin or just drafted someone like LaPorta.
Let's take a current look at the stats...
Hockenson: 71 recs for 681 yards, 4 TDs
LaPorta: 47 for 474, 4 TDs
Conklin: 33 for 363, 0 TDs
Had the Lions just re-signed Hock, they wouldn't have had to trade down in RD1 to get the additional 2nd round pick to take LaPorta, and they could have just taken Jalen Carter at 6.
I think the Lions were in a bit of a win now mode though and would have been better served by keeping the current better player, especially when you factor in that in a roundabout way it also cost them Carter.
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A Iverson, K Irving
J Havlicek, M Ginobili, M Richmond
D Wilkins, B Bowen
T Duncan, B McAdoo
H Olajuwon, W Unseld, A Sabonis
A Iverson, K Irving
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Re: The Hock
That is an interesting point. I always figured they dumped Hockenson solely for financial reasons and thought they could replace him in the draft and free agency. I think they good with those picks in the draft, though.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:45 amI don't like what they used the assets on particularly.Offsides 97 defense wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:39 amI think the trade benefited both teams. And that, ostensibly, is the way it is supposed to work.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:31 am I remember threads earlier in the year, saying guys on here would rather have just kept Conklin or just drafted someone like LaPorta.
Let's take a current look at the stats...
Hockenson: 71 recs for 681 yards, 4 TDs
LaPorta: 47 for 474, 4 TDs
Conklin: 33 for 363, 0 TDs
Had the Lions just re-signed Hock, they wouldn't have had to trade down in RD1 to get the additional 2nd round pick to take LaPorta, and they could have just taken Jalen Carter at 6.
With the equivalent cap space they signed a RB and a FS, neither of which are premier positions.
They passed on a monster DT, a premier position, to draft another RB as well as a lesser TE than they guy they traded out.
For a team that has not been starved for assets, I personally would rather just take the deal where I get the two best players at the more important positions.
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Re: The Hock
At the time of the trade, they had a losing record and we were in win now. Regardless, I think the trade was a good one for Detroit. They have a guy that already looks like a viable weapon. That’s unheard of for a rookie TE.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:09 amYes, and TEs take time to develop. That's long been known.Small Hands wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:05 amLaPorta is a rookie. What he’s doing is special for a rookie TE. I like Hock. I think it’s the best move Kwesi has made, but I think there is a good chance Sammy turns into a better player down the road. A lot of the criticism early with Hockenson was also geared towards his drop rate through the first 4 games. He had a 9% drop rate in the first month of the season.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:31 am I remember threads earlier in the year, saying guys on here would rather have just kept Conklin or just drafted someone like LaPorta.
Let's take a current look at the stats...
Hockenson: 71 recs for 681 yards, 4 TDs
LaPorta: 47 for 474, 4 TDs
Conklin: 33 for 363, 0 TDs
Had the Lions just re-signed Hock, they wouldn't have had to trade down in RD1 to get the additional 2nd round pick to take LaPorta, and they could have just taken Jalen Carter at 6.
I think the Lions were in a bit of a win now mode though and would have been better served by keeping the current better player, especially when you factor in that in a roundabout way it also cost them Carter.
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Re: The Hock
They had a losing record, but I think they were building towards something where they could take a big jump quickly if they handled things right.Small Hands wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:20 amAt the time of the trade, they had a losing record and we were in win now. Regardless, I think the trade was a good one for Detroit. They have a guy that already looks like a viable weapon. That’s unheard of for a rookie TE.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:09 amYes, and TEs take time to develop. That's long been known.Small Hands wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:05 am
LaPorta is a rookie. What he’s doing is special for a rookie TE. I like Hock. I think it’s the best move Kwesi has made, but I think there is a good chance Sammy turns into a better player down the road. A lot of the criticism early with Hockenson was also geared towards his drop rate through the first 4 games. He had a 9% drop rate in the first month of the season.
I think the Lions were in a bit of a win now mode though and would have been better served by keeping the current better player, especially when you factor in that in a roundabout way it also cost them Carter.
Now I think they're actually kind of limbo, and it shows when they play real good teams.
They need to nail a rookie QB to adequately extend this window.
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J Havlicek, M Ginobili, M Richmond
D Wilkins, B Bowen
T Duncan, B McAdoo
H Olajuwon, W Unseld, A Sabonis
A Iverson, K Irving
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Re: The Hock
They drafted Henden Hooker. I didn’t particularly like him, but he could be that guy.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:29 amThey had a losing record, but I think they were building towards something where they could take a big jump quickly if they handled things right.Small Hands wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:20 amAt the time of the trade, they had a losing record and we were in win now. Regardless, I think the trade was a good one for Detroit. They have a guy that already looks like a viable weapon. That’s unheard of for a rookie TE.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:09 am
Yes, and TEs take time to develop. That's long been known.
I think the Lions were in a bit of a win now mode though and would have been better served by keeping the current better player, especially when you factor in that in a roundabout way it also cost them Carter.
Now I think they're actually kind of limbo, and it shows when they play real good teams.
They need to nail a rookie QB to adequately extend this window.
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Re: The Hock
They did fine with the picks. There's no busts.Offsides 97 defense wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:20 amThat is an interesting point. I always figured they dumped Hockenson solely for financial reasons and thought they could replace him in the draft and free agency. I think they good with those picks in the draft, though.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:45 amI don't like what they used the assets on particularly.Offsides 97 defense wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:39 am
I think the trade benefited both teams. And that, ostensibly, is the way it is supposed to work.
With the equivalent cap space they signed a RB and a FS, neither of which are premier positions.
They passed on a monster DT, a premier position, to draft another RB as well as a lesser TE than they guy they traded out.
For a team that has not been starved for assets, I personally would rather just take the deal where I get the two best players at the more important positions.
But they're just low impact positions.
Great teams don't need to invest that much in the RB position, nor do they need to take a MLB at pick 18.
A monster DT is worth multiple good players at lesser positions.
2020 All Time NBA Draft
A Iverson, K Irving
J Havlicek, M Ginobili, M Richmond
D Wilkins, B Bowen
T Duncan, B McAdoo
H Olajuwon, W Unseld, A Sabonis
A Iverson, K Irving
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D Wilkins, B Bowen
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Re: The Hock
The Flores hiring is my favorite so far, but Kwesi is starting to get a few hits.Small Hands wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:05 amLaPorta is a rookie. What he’s doing is special for a rookie TE. I like Hock. I think it’s the best move Kwesi has made, but I think there is a good chance Sammy turns into a better player down the road. A lot of the criticism early with Hockenson was also geared towards his drop rate through the first 4 games. He had a 9% drop rate in the first month of the season.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:31 am I remember threads earlier in the year, saying guys on here would rather have just kept Conklin or just drafted someone like LaPorta.
Let's take a current look at the stats...
Hockenson: 71 recs for 681 yards, 4 TDs
LaPorta: 47 for 474, 4 TDs
Conklin: 33 for 363, 0 TDs
Had the Lions just re-signed Hock, they wouldn't have had to trade down in RD1 to get the additional 2nd round pick to take LaPorta, and they could have just taken Jalen Carter at 6.
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Re: The Hock
That would change things for sure, and he's certainly better value in RD3 than some of the pre-draft stuff where he was being talked about sliding into RD1.Small Hands wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:30 amThey drafted Henden Hooker. I didn’t particularly like him, but he could be that guy.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:29 amThey had a losing record, but I think they were building towards something where they could take a big jump quickly if they handled things right.Small Hands wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:20 am
At the time of the trade, they had a losing record and we were in win now. Regardless, I think the trade was a good one for Detroit. They have a guy that already looks like a viable weapon. That’s unheard of for a rookie TE.
Now I think they're actually kind of limbo, and it shows when they play real good teams.
They need to nail a rookie QB to adequately extend this window.
But I don't particularly like him either.
2020 All Time NBA Draft
A Iverson, K Irving
J Havlicek, M Ginobili, M Richmond
D Wilkins, B Bowen
T Duncan, B McAdoo
H Olajuwon, W Unseld, A Sabonis
A Iverson, K Irving
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Re: The Hock
Dobbs clearly likes him that being said KJ, and JJ have been out so once they are back the numbers will even out. Once JJ and KJ get back Dobbs is gonna be a complete nightmare for the rest of the NFL.
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Re: The Hock
Keenan Allen trucked Campbell yesterday. I got a chuckle. I agree with your take here. I didn’t love their usage either with these two picks. I was kind of shocked with both picks tbh. I thought they’d go CB with the early pick.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:32 amThey did fine with the picks. There's no busts.Offsides 97 defense wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:20 amThat is an interesting point. I always figured they dumped Hockenson solely for financial reasons and thought they could replace him in the draft and free agency. I think they good with those picks in the draft, though.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:45 am
I don't like what they used the assets on particularly.
With the equivalent cap space they signed a RB and a FS, neither of which are premier positions.
They passed on a monster DT, a premier position, to draft another RB as well as a lesser TE than they guy they traded out.
For a team that has not been starved for assets, I personally would rather just take the deal where I get the two best players at the more important positions.
But they're just low impact positions.
Great teams don't need to invest that much in the RB position, nor do they need to take a MLB at pick 18.
A monster DT is worth multiple good players at lesser positions.
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Re: The Hock
I could be persuaded to go either way. Flores was a good move, but the likelihood of him sticking around beyond 2024 is slim IMO. Some think he will be gone after this season. I think that’s a bit premature, but whatever. Other than that, I haven’t liked his draft day moves other than Addison. Blackmon has played well at times I guess. Hope that continues.Hector wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:33 amThe Flores hiring is my favorite so far, but Kwesi is starting to get a few hits.Small Hands wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:05 amLaPorta is a rookie. What he’s doing is special for a rookie TE. I like Hock. I think it’s the best move Kwesi has made, but I think there is a good chance Sammy turns into a better player down the road. A lot of the criticism early with Hockenson was also geared towards his drop rate through the first 4 games. He had a 9% drop rate in the first month of the season.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 8:31 am I remember threads earlier in the year, saying guys on here would rather have just kept Conklin or just drafted someone like LaPorta.
Let's take a current look at the stats...
Hockenson: 71 recs for 681 yards, 4 TDs
LaPorta: 47 for 474, 4 TDs
Conklin: 33 for 363, 0 TDs
Had the Lions just re-signed Hock, they wouldn't have had to trade down in RD1 to get the additional 2nd round pick to take LaPorta, and they could have just taken Jalen Carter at 6.
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Re: The Hock
All it takes is another zero added.Small Hands wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:40 amI could be persuaded to go either way. Flores was a good move, but the likelihood of him sticking around beyond 2024 is slim IMO. Some think he will be gone after this season. I think that’s a bit premature, but whatever. Other than that, I haven’t liked his draft day moves other than Addison. Blackmon has played well at times I guess. Hope that continues.Hector wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:33 amThe Flores hiring is my favorite so far, but Kwesi is starting to get a few hits.Small Hands wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:05 am
LaPorta is a rookie. What he’s doing is special for a rookie TE. I like Hock. I think it’s the best move Kwesi has made, but I think there is a good chance Sammy turns into a better player down the road. A lot of the criticism early with Hockenson was also geared towards his drop rate through the first 4 games. He had a 9% drop rate in the first month of the season.
It's been 32 years since one of MN's four major sports teams has been to the Championship/Superbowl.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
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Re: The Hock
Flores wasn't our first choice. We initially wanted Ejiro Evero, but he declined us.Small Hands wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:40 amI could be persuaded to go either way. Flores was a good move, but the likelihood of him sticking around beyond 2024 is slim IMO. Some think he will be gone after this season. I think that’s a bit premature, but whatever. Other than that, I haven’t liked his draft day moves other than Addison. Blackmon has played well at times I guess. Hope that continues.Hector wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:33 amThe Flores hiring is my favorite so far, but Kwesi is starting to get a few hits.Small Hands wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:05 am
LaPorta is a rookie. What he’s doing is special for a rookie TE. I like Hock. I think it’s the best move Kwesi has made, but I think there is a good chance Sammy turns into a better player down the road. A lot of the criticism early with Hockenson was also geared towards his drop rate through the first 4 games. He had a 9% drop rate in the first month of the season.
I bring that up only from a process standpoint. Kwesi deserves credit for being able to lure Flores as a backup, but it's not necessarily indicative of future success, which I think is important in evaluating things.
If we do lose Flores after one year, Kwesi needs to put a helluva pitch together to pursue someone like Bowles or Salah if they are fired, to keep things moving.
You can't rest on one year of Flores.
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J Havlicek, M Ginobili, M Richmond
D Wilkins, B Bowen
T Duncan, B McAdoo
H Olajuwon, W Unseld, A Sabonis
A Iverson, K Irving
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Re: The Hock
Or just take one singular stud player at an impact position. That's why I personally keep going to Carter, because I think you can never have too many significant DL players. But someone like CB Cristian Gonzalez could also have worked.Small Hands wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:36 amKeenan Allen trucked Campbell yesterday. I got a chuckle. I agree with your take here. I didn’t love their usage either with these two picks. I was kind of shocked with both picks tbh. I thought they’d go CB with the early pick.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:32 amThey did fine with the picks. There's no busts.Offsides 97 defense wrote: ↑Mon Nov 13, 2023 9:20 am
That is an interesting point. I always figured they dumped Hockenson solely for financial reasons and thought they could replace him in the draft and free agency. I think they good with those picks in the draft, though.
But they're just low impact positions.
Great teams don't need to invest that much in the RB position, nor do they need to take a MLB at pick 18.
A monster DT is worth multiple good players at lesser positions.
But this was their last premier asset from the Rams trade, and I think they got cute.
And just to reiterate, this is relevant to the Hockenson thread because they traded down at 6 in order to get the extra 2nd rd pick to draft LaPorta. If they knew they wanted a premier TE long term, they could have just re-signed Hock and not had to worry about maneuvering around in the draft in order to get that guy.
2020 All Time NBA Draft
A Iverson, K Irving
J Havlicek, M Ginobili, M Richmond
D Wilkins, B Bowen
T Duncan, B McAdoo
H Olajuwon, W Unseld, A Sabonis
A Iverson, K Irving
J Havlicek, M Ginobili, M Richmond
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Re: The Hock
Gritty. The guy probably chews steel wool at halftime.
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Re: The Hock
#1 in receptions
#1 in targets
#1 in yards
tied #3 in tds
#1 Tight End in football. All this hurt and a revolving QB situation.
Boobs here were apprehensive about this signing and it has been a home run. Chalk it up to another bad take.
#1 in targets
#1 in yards
tied #3 in tds
#1 Tight End in football. All this hurt and a revolving QB situation.
Boobs here were apprehensive about this signing and it has been a home run. Chalk it up to another bad take.
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Re: The Hock
Buncha folks probably owe TJ an apology, if they’re honest with themselves and have integrity.Offsides 97 defense wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:07 am #1 in receptions
#1 in targets
#1 in yards
tied #3 in tds
#1 Tight End in football. All this hurt and a revolving QB situation.
Boobs here were apprehensive about this signing and it has been a home run. Chalk it up to another bad take.
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Re: The Hock
I do attribute his holdout with being so out of sync to start the season. And in that regard, he gets some of the blame for those early losses.Beef Supreme wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 11:28 amBuncha folks probably owe TJ an apology, if they’re honest with themselves and have integrity.Offsides 97 defense wrote: ↑Tue Nov 14, 2023 10:07 am #1 in receptions
#1 in targets
#1 in yards
tied #3 in tds
#1 Tight End in football. All this hurt and a revolving QB situation.
Boobs here were apprehensive about this signing and it has been a home run. Chalk it up to another bad take.
But just imagine his stats if they just gave him his contract earlier and he were hot from the start. No one would be even close to him. This team might even be undefeated.