Kessler vs Gobert season stats

[BBG]

Another dud for Walker. 4 points and 4 boards. Oh, boy! Those are Loren Woods type numbers.

Yet, Wolves Twitter is convinced that this was some lopsided trade. At the end of this season, that narrative will be forgotten

Yeah, it's only Wolves twitter.

It's an excellent place for wolves content if you like that sort of thing.

All I'm saying is, this wasn't some historically bad trade that some are saying it is. There is a lot left to play out.

[SHAFA]

Another dud for Walker. 4 points and 4 boards. Oh, boy! Those are Loren Woods type numbers.

Yet, Wolves Twitter is convinced that this was some lopsided trade. At the end of this season, that narrative will be forgotten

Yeah, it's only Wolves twitter.

It's an excellent place for wolves content if you like that sort of thing.

All I'm saying is, this wasn't some historically bad trade that some are saying it is. There is a lot left to play out.

Considering Gobert's age, contract, playoff failures and obvious questions around his fit alongside Towns, the number of assets and the financial flexibility they gave up to bring him in will always be considered bad.

I'll agree, however, that it's still a bit of a sliding scale on exactly how bad it turns out to be.

[Roy Kent]

Yeah, it's only Wolves twitter.

It's an excellent place for wolves content if you like that sort of thing.

All I'm saying is, this wasn't some historically bad trade that some are saying it is. There is a lot left to play out.

Considering Gobert's age, contract, playoff failures and obvious questions around his fit alongside Towns, the number of assets and the financial flexibility they gave up to bring him in will always be considered bad.

I'll agree, however, that it's still a bit of a sliding scale on exactly how bad it turns out to be.

Strapped us. We have no firsts to provide in a trade so we're stuck in terms of getting anything better than Gobert and we aren't getting any of the talent that Utah is taking from us every other year. For one guy. Just didn't seem like a smart move. Guess we'll see.

[SHAFA]

It's an excellent place for wolves content if you like that sort of thing.

All I'm saying is, this wasn't some historically bad trade that some are saying it is. There is a lot left to play out.

Considering Gobert's age, contract, playoff failures and obvious questions around his fit alongside Towns, the number of assets and the financial flexibility they gave up to bring him in will always be considered bad.

I'll agree, however, that it's still a bit of a sliding scale on exactly how bad it turns out to be.

Strapped us. We have no firsts to provide in a trade so we're stuck in terms of getting anything better than Gobert and we aren't getting any of the talent that Utah is taking from us every other year. For one guy. Just didn't seem like a smart move. Guess we'll see.

It absolutely did. But if somehow they manage to reach even the WCF after that, then it's not *as* bad as if they're a play-in/first round exit team every year until his deal expires.

[Roy Kent]

Considering Gobert's age, contract, playoff failures and obvious questions around his fit alongside Towns, the number of assets and the financial flexibility they gave up to bring him in will always be considered bad.

I'll agree, however, that it's still a bit of a sliding scale on exactly how bad it turns out to be.

Strapped us. We have no firsts to provide in a trade so we're stuck in terms of getting anything better than Gobert and we aren't getting any of the talent that Utah is taking from us every other year. For one guy. Just didn't seem like a smart move. Guess we'll see.

It absolutely did. But if somehow they manage to reach even the WCF after that, then it's not *as* bad as if they're a play-in/first round exit team every year until his deal expires.

And that's the question. What result should we expect from a trade like this? Just making the playoffs vs winning it all. Anything in between? For me, I want to be in the finals. But I don't think they did it the right way to make this happen. Guess we'll see.

[Mnwild1128]

It's an excellent place for wolves content if you like that sort of thing.

All I'm saying is, this wasn't some historically bad trade that some are saying it is. There is a lot left to play out.

Considering Gobert's age, contract, playoff failures and obvious questions around his fit alongside Towns, the number of assets and the financial flexibility they gave up to bring him in will always be considered bad.

I'll agree, however, that it's still a bit of a sliding scale on exactly how bad it turns out to be.

Strapped us. We have no firsts to provide in a trade so we're stuck in terms of getting anything better than Gobert and we aren't getting any of the talent that Utah is taking from us every other year. For one guy. Just didn't seem like a smart move. Guess we'll see.

That is incorrect. We can trade Naz, Anderson, Towns, McDaniels, Heck even Gobert for $.50 on the dollar. We have plenty of ways to improve the team. Improve is not exclusive to keeping everything we have, and only adding to it without subtraction of any top 7 players.

[BBG]

Kessler was invisible last night. A non factor. He is no threat to score and besides an occasional block he should be a bench player.

[flexbuffchest]

I'm getting close to admitting defeat on this. Kessler may be already close to peaking which is kind of a shame when that happens to impact rookies. I still don't like the trade but if this version of Rudy keeps it up then who the hell cares about a first round pick in 2027?

[BBG]

I'm getting close to admitting defeat on this. Kessler may be already close to peaking which is kind of a shame when that happens to impact rookies. I still don't like the trade but if this version of Rudy keeps it up then who the hell cares about a first round pick in 2027?

Boom!

Everything is coming together baby!

[Mnwild1128]

I'm getting close to admitting defeat on this. Kessler may be already close to peaking which is kind of a shame when that happens to impact rookies. I still don't like the trade but if this version of Rudy keeps it up then who the hell cares about a first round pick in 2027?

I don't. I care about our 2029.

[DonaldDouchebag]

Another dud for Walker. 4 points and 4 boards. Oh, boy! Those are Loren Woods type numbers.

Yet, Wolves Twitter is convinced that this was some lopsided trade. At the end of this season, that narrative will be forgotten

Yeah, it's only Wolves twitter.

It's an excellent place for wolves content if you like that sort of thing.

All I'm saying is, this wasn't some historically bad trade that some are saying it is. There is a lot left to play out.

The number of valuable picks make it the worst trade in recent memory in any pro sport.

[aztimberwolves]

Yeah, it's only Wolves twitter.

It's an excellent place for wolves content if you like that sort of thing.

All I'm saying is, this wasn't some historically bad trade that some are saying it is. There is a lot left to play out.

The number of valuable picks make it the worst trade in recent memory in any pro sport.

Has it occurred to you that you might be WAy overvaluing the picks. Assuming none of them will be top 10 it’s very hard to project value. You have to have the asset become realized before assessong value. You can buy all the lottery tickets you want and consider them valuable, but if none of them hit, how valuable are they????

[T_J]

It's an excellent place for wolves content if you like that sort of thing.

All I'm saying is, this wasn't some historically bad trade that some are saying it is. There is a lot left to play out.

The number of valuable picks make it the worst trade in recent memory in any pro sport.

Has it occurred to you that you might be WAy overvaluing the picks. Assuming none of them will be top 10 it’s very hard to project value. You have to have the asset become realized before assessong value. You can buy all the lottery tickets you want and consider them valuable, but if none of them hit, how valuable are they????

That’s ignoring the ability to improve the team via trade for the majority of the 7 years they extended all the picks out.

With what Milwaukee gave for Lillard, we easily could have topped that. Frankly if they didn’t get taken to the cleaners in the Gobert deal, they could have acquired both players, but that’s just an example….probably still not super likely.

[BBG]

Do we have room for these picks? We have Luka and Minott who can't even get on the floor, but we want more picks?

Do we really want the next Josh Okogie, Jarrett Culver, Kris Dunn or Keita Bates-Diop? I'm good on all that. We have the guys we need to grow and improve our team.

Who did the Jazz take with our pick? Was that George or Sensabough? Because those guys don't seem to be anything but a rotation player

[Jimi_Thing]

Do we have room for these picks? We have Luka and Minott who can't even get on the floor, but we want more picks?

Do we really want the next Josh Okogie, Jarrett Culver, Kris Dunn or Keita Bates-Diop? I'm good on all that. We have the guys we need to grow and improve our team.

Who did the Jazz take with our pick? Was that George or Sensabough? Because those guys don't seem to be anything but a rotation player

I'm in agreement with you regarding this not being nearly as terrible of a trade that some are making out to be. Here's what we're looking at in the upcoming years...

2024 – One first-round pick (MIN), one second-round pick (least of WAS/MEM)
2025 – One second-round pick (UTA)
2026 – One first-round pick (least of MIN/UTA), One second-round pick (least of MIA/IND/SAS)
2027 – No draft picks
2028 – One first-round (MIN)
2029 – One second-round pick (MIN)


Combine that with the fact that the Wolves' core isn't aging talent that's going to be washed by 2029, but instead will be in their prime. Plus, there's already young players (Miller, Minnot, Garza, and Clark) in the pipeline that are going to be getting minutes in these upcoming years.

The Wolves are trying to make a serious run. I would have liked acquiring Gobert at more of a bargain but that didn't happen. I'm glad they made this trade happen without adding McDaniels to it. McDaniels is worth at least 2 late 1st round picks IMO. And I'm glad the Wolves aren't trying to make a run while having to depend on Kessler or some clown like Christian Wood at C. The West is too competitive to make a serious Championship run with a glaring weakness like that.

[BBG]

Kessler is out (UHL sprain, left elbow) and will be re-evaluated in two weeks.

It was a nice run

[Mnwild1128]

Do we have room for these picks? We have Luka and Minott who can't even get on the floor, but we want more picks?

Do we really want the next Josh Okogie, Jarrett Culver, Kris Dunn or Keita Bates-Diop? I'm good on all that. We have the guys we need to grow and improve our team.

Who did the Jazz take with our pick? Was that George or Sensabough? Because those guys don't seem to be anything but a rotation player

I'm in agreement with you regarding this not being nearly as terrible of a trade that some are making out to be. Here's what we're looking at in the upcoming years...

2024 – One first-round pick (MIN), one second-round pick (least of WAS/MEM)
2025 – One second-round pick (UTA)
2026 – One first-round pick (least of MIN/UTA), One second-round pick (least of MIA/IND/SAS)
2027 – No draft picks
2028 – One first-round (MIN)
2029 – One second-round pick (MIN)


Combine that with the fact that the Wolves' core isn't aging talent that's going to be washed by 2029, but instead will be in their prime. Plus, there's already young players (Miller, Minnot, Garza, and Clark) in the pipeline that are going to be getting minutes in these upcoming years.

The Wolves are trying to make a serious run. I would have liked acquiring Gobert at more of a bargain but that didn't happen. I'm glad they made this trade happen without adding McDaniels to it. McDaniels is worth at least 2 late 1st round picks IMO. And I'm glad the Wolves aren't trying to make a run while having to depend on Kessler or some clown like Christian Wood at C. The West is too competitive to make a serious Championship run with a glaring weakness like that.

I think he is worth 2 unprotected picks. Plus whatever player comes back to match salaries. The wolves would even balk at that type of offer.

[Jimi_Thing]

Do we have room for these picks? We have Luka and Minott who can't even get on the floor, but we want more picks?

Do we really want the next Josh Okogie, Jarrett Culver, Kris Dunn or Keita Bates-Diop? I'm good on all that. We have the guys we need to grow and improve our team.

Who did the Jazz take with our pick? Was that George or Sensabough? Because those guys don't seem to be anything but a rotation player

I'm in agreement with you regarding this not being nearly as terrible of a trade that some are making out to be. Here's what we're looking at in the upcoming years...

2024 – One first-round pick (MIN), one second-round pick (least of WAS/MEM)
2025 – One second-round pick (UTA)
2026 – One first-round pick (least of MIN/UTA), One second-round pick (least of MIA/IND/SAS)
2027 – No draft picks
2028 – One first-round (MIN)
2029 – One second-round pick (MIN)


Combine that with the fact that the Wolves' core isn't aging talent that's going to be washed by 2029, but instead will be in their prime. Plus, there's already young players (Miller, Minnot, Garza, and Clark) in the pipeline that are going to be getting minutes in these upcoming years.

The Wolves are trying to make a serious run. I would have liked acquiring Gobert at more of a bargain but that didn't happen. I'm glad they made this trade happen without adding McDaniels to it. McDaniels is worth at least 2 late 1st round picks IMO. And I'm glad the Wolves aren't trying to make a run while having to depend on Kessler or some clown like Christian Wood at C. The West is too competitive to make a serious Championship run with a glaring weakness like that.

I think he is worth 2 unprotected picks. Plus whatever player comes back to match salaries. The wolves would even balk at that type of offer.

Yeah. He’d have to want out of MN for them to even consider that.

[Drizzay]

Nice stat line for Rudy tonight.

[witljon]

I'm getting close to admitting defeat on this. Kessler may be already close to peaking which is kind of a shame when that happens to impact rookies. I still don't like the trade but if this version of Rudy keeps it up then who the hell cares about a first round pick in 2027?

I don't. I care about our 2029.

I just think about Shabazz Muhammad, Wes Johnson, Derrick Williams, Kris Dunn, Corey Brewer, Jarrett Culver, and other Wolves draft picks and then I suddenly like the Gobert trade.

[Mnwild1128]

I'm getting close to admitting defeat on this. Kessler may be already close to peaking which is kind of a shame when that happens to impact rookies. I still don't like the trade but if this version of Rudy keeps it up then who the hell cares about a first round pick in 2027?

I don't. I care about our 2029.

I just think about Shabazz Muhammad, Wes Johnson, Derrick Williams, Kris Dunn, Corey Brewer, Jarrett Culver, and other Wolves draft picks and then I suddenly like the Gobert trade.

I don't like being that impotent for that long. Now if my team was the Nuggets or Celtics i would not care. I still do not trust this team. Mainly due to Kats influence.

[Mnwild1128]

I'm getting close to admitting defeat on this. Kessler may be already close to peaking which is kind of a shame when that happens to impact rookies. I still don't like the trade but if this version of Rudy keeps it up then who the hell cares about a first round pick in 2027?

I don't. I care about our 2029.

I just think about Shabazz Muhammad, Wes Johnson, Derrick Williams, Kris Dunn, Corey Brewer, Jarrett Culver, and other Wolves draft picks and then I suddenly like the Gobert trade.

McDaniels #28???

[witljon]

I don't. I care about our 2029.

I just think about Shabazz Muhammad, Wes Johnson, Derrick Williams, Kris Dunn, Corey Brewer, Jarrett Culver, and other Wolves draft picks and then I suddenly like the Gobert trade.

I don't like being that impotent for that long. Now if my team was the Nuggets or Celtics i would not care. I still do not trust this team. Mainly due to Kats influence.

I’m gonna trust

[witljon]

I don't. I care about our 2029.

I just think about Shabazz Muhammad, Wes Johnson, Derrick Williams, Kris Dunn, Corey Brewer, Jarrett Culver, and other Wolves draft picks and then I suddenly like the Gobert trade.

McDaniels #28???

Wasn’t Gobert drafted around that spot?

[somuchyummy]

yup. 27.

[bubu dubu.]

Another dud for Walker. 4 points and 4 boards. Oh, boy! Those are Loren Woods type numbers.

Yet, Wolves Twitter is convinced that this was some lopsided trade. At the end of this season, that narrative will be forgotten

Yeah, it's only Wolves twitter.

It's an excellent place for wolves content if you like that sort of thing.

All I'm saying is, this wasn't some historically bad trade that some are saying it is. There is a lot left to play out.

it was an awful trade.

[T_J]

Yeah, it's only Wolves twitter.

It's an excellent place for wolves content if you like that sort of thing.

All I'm saying is, this wasn't some historically bad trade that some are saying it is. There is a lot left to play out.

it was an awful trade.

What they gave up was a haul for someone to take you to the finals. He can play well all this year, if they lose in round 1 again or even round 2, it’s bad.

I suppose a WCF run and a couple playoff outs soften the blow to what you gave up, but it was just an unsightly overpay. I don’t think they were bidding against anyone.

[twolves31]

Yeah, it's only Wolves twitter.

It's an excellent place for wolves content if you like that sort of thing.

All I'm saying is, this wasn't some historically bad trade that some are saying it is. There is a lot left to play out.

it was an awful trade.

It was an awful trade. If you win a championship over the next few years with Rudy here, it would be worth every first round pick for the next 20 years to bring home the first championship of any kind since 1991 here.

[Mnwild1128]

It's an excellent place for wolves content if you like that sort of thing.

All I'm saying is, this wasn't some historically bad trade that some are saying it is. There is a lot left to play out.

it was an awful trade.

What they gave up was a haul for someone to take you to the finals. He can play well all this year, if they lose in round 1 again or even round 2, it’s bad.

I suppose a WCF run and a couple playoff outs soften the blow to what you gave up, but it was just an unsightly overpay. I don’t think they were bidding against anyone.

All of the Hawks, Raps and Mavs had interest.

[Jimi_Thing]

If they make serious run at the Championship, which I believe they will, it will be proven to be a necessary trade. Factoring the young players currently on the squad and the draft picks they still have remaining....

2024 – One first-round pick (MIN), one second-round pick (least of WAS/MEM)
2025 – One second-round pick (UTA)
2026 – One first-round pick (least of MIN/UTA), One second-round pick (least of MIA/IND/SAS)
2027 – No draft picks
2028 – One first-round (MIN)
2029 – One second-round pick (MIN)

the trade isn't nearly as devastating as some make it out to be.

Like pretty much anything sports related, it's a topic that can be Monday Morning QB'd to death by individuals that feel that they could have acquired Gobert for less or assembled as strong of a lineup without trading for Gobert. I'll say it again, last year we witnessed Gobert's floor. IMO, Gobert's floor is likely still higher than Kessler's ceiling.