KATs value

[kindman]

KAT and Dlo have to net us pretty good return. Naz can do most of what KAT does and there are 3 or 4 guys that can do better than Dlo.
Durant/Westbrook? Dlo to LA for 2 firsts and Westbrook, Kat and those 2 picks for Durant?
Davis/Westbrook for Kat/Dlo?

Many teams are not doing as expected and I anticipate some major trades.
Anybody got suggestions?

[SHAFA]

Everybody just wants to bail out completely after eight games?

I can understand Russell, but let’s pump the brakes on the rest.

[jffl_commish]

Naz is a replacement for KAT? FFS dude. DLO doesn't have shit for trade value. He is not doing himself any favors for his next contract, that's for sure.

[somuchyummy]

but keeping Naz as a backup to Rudy could be a good plan. and right now i think the thought is that he'd leave at the end of this year instead. but he's been looking definitely alright. he's been an offensive spark - infinitely more low post moves that the Rudes - plus he can shoot the three a bit (not as good as Karl, but alright), but IMO maybe can put it on the floor better than Karl. obviously he has defensive issues - but he's no worse than Karl and his 50 million dollar contract. if we could trade Karl for a better starting PF fit - and allow us to keep naz as rudy's backup, that might be the way to go. i'm not ready to move Karl. but watching him against the Suns, good lord is my patience running thin. his defense is horrible - and will always impede our ability to move forward. i'll repeat that sending little probes the raptors way concerning Siakam isn't a bad idea.

[SHAFA]

I don’t know. If they’re already (which I don’t think they are) at the point of debating whether to deal Towns, then the Gobert trade never should’ve happened in the first place.

Gobert’s already 30. I don’t want to retool around him and Edwards. If that’s the plan, then you keep Towns, the pile of picks and the financial flexibility.

When they made that deal, it was boom or bust. You can’t walk away so soon afterwards.

[somuchyummy]

rudy's age doesn't worry me. he's a brick, and i think he'll still be doing rudy gobert stuff when he's 34. we do need to not waste time with Ant. i just wonder - REALLY wonder - if KAT is ever going to get it and become a winning player.

[DonaldDouchebag]

DLO for not one but two firsts!

LOL!!!!

I love this place.

[YBBR]

I don’t know. If they’re already (which I don’t think they are) at the point of debating whether to deal Towns, then the Gobert trade never should’ve happened in the first place.

Gobert’s already 30. I don’t want to retool around him and Edwards. If that’s the plan, then you keep Towns, the pile of picks and the financial flexibility.

When they made that deal, it was boom or bust. You can’t walk away so soon afterwards.

Agreed. I think they will give this 2 seasons to try and win now and contend in the future. That means tripling down and potentially bringing in another sort of veteran win now player likely next offseason. There's no way you can cleanly cut bait with Gobert. They have to make it work. The only way is forward.

[YBBR]

Has Rudy ever played in an offensive style of play that is more up tempo focused before? I recall those Jazz teams being bottom 5 in pace year after year. That's not what Chris Finch likes to run at all. We finished 2nd or 1st in pace last year can't remember which.

It might take time for Gobert to adjust to that pace of play.

[Mplsfonz]

This place!

I don't understand. Just three weeks ago we were going to be a top 4 seed, now at 4-4 we are ready to trade one of our best players?

Problem with KAT is he's trying way too hard to make Rudy better instead of just playing with him and let Rudy play the game he's always has.
KAT is resisting the PF position because he's not comfortable there. As soon as he understands he's not a C anymore, maybe he'll embrace it.
If we are below 500. at the trade deadline, let's move on from Lo and try and salvage the season.
We can make all the threads we want, but KAT aint going anywhere.

[HeHateMe]

I'd trade KAT and Russell for KD and Kyrie straight up!

KAT can't get traded until after the year. He's here... I don't think Russell will be here so I am open to moving him to improve the team and focus on the offense built around KAT/Ant with Rudy focusing on defense. If the lineups need to be more Jmac/nowell/ant/kat/rudy .. ok, let's see it.

[RubeTube]

I'd trade KAT and Russell for KD and Kyrie straight up!

KAT can't get traded until after the year. He's here... I don't think Russell will be here so I am open to moving him to improve the team and focus on the offense built around KAT/Ant with Rudy focusing on defense. If the lineups need to be more Jmac/nowell/ant/kat/rudy .. ok, let's see it.

Oof.

Trade two players I don't care for, for two players I can't stand.

Banzai!

[Hornets]

WOW....things sure have gone pear shaped in a hurry here. Just 2 weeks ago some were ordering their NBA finals tickets.

[witljon]

Everybody just wants to bail out completely after eight games?

I can understand Russell, but let’s pump the brakes on the rest.

I say sit tight and enjoy the ride

[DonaldDouchebag]

Everybody just wants to bail out completely after eight games?

I can understand Russell, but let’s pump the brakes on the rest.

I say sit tight and enjoy the ride

My preferred method for watching a Wolves season play out is to just let it wash over me.

[twolves31]

I'm not looking to trade Kat anytime soon, but if I was it would be a separate trade from Dlo. Dlo would only hurt the return value on a Towns trade. My demands for Kat would be trades other teams wouldn't do like Cade, Bey, and the 1st pick from Detroit or Suggs, Banchero and the first pick from Orlando. Murray and Collins from Atlanta. Trades that other teams would hang the phone up on are the only trades I would consider for Towns.

[somuchyummy]

ryen russillo has a piece out right now that shreds KAT. most pointedly in his inability to play D (and how opponents are now leaning into that and targeting him) - and he IMO hits the nail on the head in saying that KAT not only doesn't have great defensive instincts, he's also not athletic enough to match up with nba players. super skilled on O, but not athletic - specifically an inability to react and change direction. he recalls a predraft look at KAT he attended where one of his colleagues remarked that KAT moved really well, and russillo's response was "Yes, but only in a straight line". i've felt this way for a long time and often have caught flak for suggesting that KAT is deficient athletically. but i'll stick to it. his woes on D are not only mental, they are physical. he's a clumsy big. and as long as he's here, that's where we'll be targeted.

[SHAFA]

i've felt this way for a long time and often have caught flak for suggesting that KAT is deficient athletically. but i'll stick to it. his woes on D are not only mental, they are physical. he's a clumsy big.

He absolutely is. Often I find myself trying to come up with someone else like him, by which I mean someone with his unique skillset who also makes you cringe by simply moving laterally. It's weird.

[bubu dubu.]

Naz is a replacement for KAT? FFS dude. DLO doesn't have shit for trade value. He is not doing himself any favors for his next contract, that's for sure.

Dlo has value as an expiring contract

[salamander]

i've felt this way for a long time and often have caught flak for suggesting that KAT is deficient athletically. but i'll stick to it. his woes on D are not only mental, they are physical. he's a clumsy big.

He absolutely is. Often I find myself trying to come up with someone else like him, by which I mean someone with his unique skillset who also makes you cringe by simply moving laterally. It's weird.

Been saying it for years too. He is a low stamina and low endurance player.

[Decker23]

I've been saying trade KAT since 2018.

We wouldn't be able to get a 1st for him now.

Garbage.

[SHAFA]

We wouldn't be able to get a 1st for him now.

[Decker23]

We wouldn't be able to get a 1st for him now.

He's trash

[somuchyummy]

the truth is somewhere in the middle. Karl is getting exposed and it hasn't been a pretty look. but, no, if we were to trade Karl right now i'd expect considerably less than the 5 players and 4 picks we sent for Rudy.

[Decker23]

KAT and Dlo have to net us pretty good return. Naz can do most of what KAT does and there are 3 or 4 guys that can do better than Dlo.
Durant/Westbrook? Dlo to LA for 2 firsts and Westbrook, Kat and those 2 picks for Durant?
Davis/Westbrook for Kat/Dlo?

Many teams are not doing as expected and I anticipate some major trades.
Anybody got suggestions?

You worthless shitpile.

[Mnwild1128]

Kats trade value is someone like Brandon Ingram for a compareable. Solid enough. But another unproven track record and stat padder for the majority of career.

[ChrisPaulGeorgeHill]

Think Sacramento or Atlanta would be interested in KAT?

[Mnwild1128]

Think Sacramento or Atlanta would be interested in KAT?

Sacramento already traded one of the few players away i truly coveted in this league in Haliburton. Not interested in Sabonis.

Okongwu and Collins for Towns? Eh. Not intriguing enough.

[somuchyummy]

i'm saying... start with FVV and see what else in that package you could pull.

piece out this week from somebody at Heavy on the Knicks - with a trade proposal to try to land SGA. i think it's interesting if that's actually what the ballpark is. and, for the record, i think SGA is a better nba player now than Karl. but here was the deal:

SGA and Mike Muscala to the Knicks

for

Julius Randle, Immanuel Quickley, Cam Reddish, Quention Grimes - plus their 2023 1st from Dallas, their 2024 1st, their 2025 first from the Bucks, and their 2027 1st (top 5 protected).

first off, if the Knicks are going to toss around that many picks, WE should be who they are talking to - and secondly, why would the Thunder (who have a gajillion firsts) want more? SGA is one of the best things they've hit on in their process - why would they seek to lose that?

final note: Son of Yum reminded me today of what LAC sent the Thunder in exchange for Paul George back in 2019. in case you've forgotten, here's that trip down memory lane. Danilo Gallinari, Shai Gilgeous Alexander and FIVE first round picks. two have already landed - Tre Mann and Jalen Williams. i'd say PG13 has been a great player for the Clippers - but with the Kawhi injuries - everything has been derailed. and because of that, the trade is starting to look pretty horrible.

[kindman]

Towns/Russel for Davis/Westbrook? Towns is long term while Russel gives them space next year and would be an upgrade on that team
Randle/RJ Barret/Picks? for Towns? Get some picks back while making the team better
Simmons/Durant for Towns/ Russel/ Prince/Anderson? Again with the long term contract and bringing Dlo home:)

I hope they figure it out as is but if not, BIG SPLASH