KATs value

[witljon]

Hard to remember some of these old takes, but I don’t remember thinking KD would be in the conversation for GOAT scorer. I don’t remember exactly what I thought of him, but it wasn’t that.


FWIW, I do remember believing all the hype about LeBron. I was pretty sure he’d be an all-time great. I wasn’t way out on a limb or swimming against the stream with that take or anything, but there it was.

I was not that high on Dwyane Wade, though. I thought he could score, but didn’t think he’d be all-around dominant like he was. I thought he’d be along the lines of Richard Jefferson or Jason Richardson or something like that. Good, useful player, but not a stud.


Not sure why I’m reminiscing about 20+ year old draft takes, but I guess it beats most of the dumb shit in this thread…

I think I was the lone dog that didn’t buy the OJ Mayo hype. There might have been others, but not many. I remember pissed off fans when we traded him draft night.

Yeah, that was me! Way wrong on Mayo.

Well, I was the village idiot that liked the Jarrett Culver pick. I even defended him during his terrible rookie season.

[Beef Supreme]

I think I was the lone dog that didn’t buy the OJ Mayo hype. There might have been others, but not many. I remember pissed off fans when we traded him draft night.

Yeah, that was me! Way wrong on Mayo.

Well, I was the village idiot that liked the Jarrett Culver pick. I even defended him during his terrible rookie season.

Culver is one of those guys that I didn’t really like, but no way I thought he’d be as bad as he was.

[SHAFA]

All my old draft takes were bulletproof.

For example, Justise Winslow and his numerous All-Defense appearances.

[witljon]

All my old draft takes were bulletproof.

For example, Justise Winslow and his numerous All-Defense appearances.

There was several here who preferred Ball and even Wiseman over Edwards. I wasn’t one of ‘em.

[SHAFA]

All my old draft takes were bulletproof.

For example, Justise Winslow and his numerous All-Defense appearances.

There was several here who preferred Ball and even Wiseman over Edwards. I wasn’t one of ‘em.

It sounds like they IDENTIFIED incorrectly.

[witljon]

All my old draft takes were bulletproof.

For example, Justise Winslow and his numerous All-Defense appearances.

There was several here who preferred Ball and even Wiseman over Edwards. I wasn’t one of ‘em.

It sounds like they IDENTIFIED incorrectly.

Kinda like when there were some here calling the Gobert trade the worst trade in sports history.

[somuchyummy]

i think the word "some" can be changed to "most".

[Beef Supreme]

All my old draft takes were bulletproof.

For example, Justise Winslow and his numerous All-Defense appearances.

There was several here who preferred Ball and even Wiseman over Edwards. I wasn’t one of ‘em.

Me neither! I was on the Edwards train!

[Beef Supreme]

There was several here who preferred Ball and even Wiseman over Edwards. I wasn’t one of ‘em.

It sounds like they IDENTIFIED incorrectly.

Kinda like when there were some here calling the Gobert trade the worst trade in sports history.

Let’s talk about Anthony Edwards some more!

[witljon]

It sounds like they IDENTIFIED incorrectly.

Kinda like when there were some here calling the Gobert trade the worst trade in sports history.

Let’s talk about Anthony Edwards some more!

Why? You weren’t a fan of the big trade?

[BuDG123]

Dudes been ballin. Playing harder than I’ve seen him play before.

[SKOLMN]

If we’re bringing up old draft debates, nothing will ever top on the old rube chat the debate between Jamal Murray/buddy hield/kris Dunn back in 2016.

[Beef Supreme]

Kinda like when there were some here calling the Gobert trade the worst trade in sports history.

Let’s talk about Anthony Edwards some more!

Why? You weren’t a fan of the big trade?

Honestly, it was about the lack of protections on the picks. I thought the picks should have been more strongly protected, to guard against disaster. 4 picks in the 20s is no big deal, but multiple lotto picks could have been a disaster.


But so far it looks like we’re avoiding that fate. So good.

[Beef Supreme]

If we’re bringing up old draft debates, nothing will ever top on the old rube chat the debate between Jamal Murray/buddy hield/kris Dunn back in 2016.

I’ll see your Murray/Heild/Dunn and raise you a Roy/Foye/Gay!


(I was on team Gay and team Heild)

[SHAFA]

If we’re bringing up old draft debates, nothing will ever top on the old rube chat the debate between Jamal Murray/buddy hield/kris Dunn back in 2016.

I’ll see your Murray/Heild/Dunn and raise you a Roy/Foye/Gay!


(I was on team Gay and team Heild)

I remember loving two players from the 2006 draft: Kyle Lowry and Rodney Carney. One of those worked out.

[Dan33185]

All my old draft takes were bulletproof.

For example, Justise Winslow and his numerous All-Defense appearances.

There was several here who preferred Ball and even Wiseman over Edwards. I wasn’t one of ‘em.

That would be me...glad to be wrong. I will say, if Ball could stay healthy, he would be a perennial all star. He affects the game is so many ways. Sadly, I don't this his body is going to hold up.

[Oriole81]

I remember being in a back and forth with a guy that said he wouldn't draft Jayson Tatum if he made it to us, because he would be redundant with Wiggins.

Man, that didn't age well.

[somuchyummy]

A brief, yet incomplete, history of my inscrutably sordid draft crushes:

2020- Tyler Bey
2019- Admiral Schofield
2018- Elie Okobo
2017- Anzejs Pasecniks
2016- Brice Johnson
2015- Joe Young
2014- James Young
2013- Nate Wolters
2012- Royce White
2011- Marshon Brooks
2010- Jarvis Varnado

I throw myself on the mercy of the Froob Court.

[SHAFA]

A brief, yet incomplete, history of my inscrutably sordid draft crushes:

2020- Tyler Bey
2019- Admiral Schofield
2018- Elie Okobo
2017- Anzejs Pasecniks
2016- Brice Johnson
2015- Joe Young
2014- James Young
2013- Nate Wolters
2012- Royce White
2011- Marshon Brooks
2010- Jarvis Varnado

I throw myself on the mercy of the Froob Court.

Being a bit of a nerd, I've kept a list for awhile now of picks who were late-lotto or beyond that I liked.

2022- Jalen Duren
2021 - Day'Ron Sharpe
2020 - Desmond Bane
2019 - Bol Bol
2018 - Michael Porter
2017 - Jordan Bell
2016 - Denzel Valentine
2015 - Bobby Portis
2014 - None
2013 - Shabazz
2012 - Mo Harkless
2011 - Shelvin Mack
2010 - Eric Bledsoe
2009 - Ty Lawson
2008 - None
2007 - Al Thornton
2006 - Kyle Lowry, Rodney Carney
2005 - Hakim Warrick
2004 - Jameer Nelson, Kirk Snyder

[somuchyummy]

you got some nice ones in there. i should look back and see which ones i liked who turned out okay.

here's some i hit on reasonably considering their draft position:

2022 - Andrew Nembhard 31, Vince Williams Jr. 47
2021 - Dayron Sharpe 29, Ayo Dosumnu 38
2020 - Immanuel Quickley 25, Desmond Bane 30
2019 - Nic Claxton 31, Daniel Gafford 38
2018 - Robert Williams III 27
2017 - Josh Hart 30
2016 - Pascal Siakam 27, Malcolm Brogdon 36

If I recall, I lobbied for all these guys.

[witljon]

Let’s talk about Anthony Edwards some more!

Why? You weren’t a fan of the big trade?

Honestly, it was about the lack of protections on the picks. I thought the picks should have been more strongly protected, to guard against disaster. 4 picks in the 20s is no big deal, but multiple lotto picks could have been a disaster.


But so far it looks like we’re avoiding that fate. So good.

My biggest talking points for being in favor of the Gobert trade was we were sticking our neck out and going for it. Our draft history being poor and the team that gets the best player in a trade typically wins the trade. And I remember listing a bunch of our bad draft picks and saying the players we traded were the type that will be available in free agency.

[Beef Supreme]

Why? You weren’t a fan of the big trade?

Honestly, it was about the lack of protections on the picks. I thought the picks should have been more strongly protected, to guard against disaster. 4 picks in the 20s is no big deal, but multiple lotto picks could have been a disaster.


But so far it looks like we’re avoiding that fate. So good.

My biggest talking points for being in favor of the Gobert trade was we were sticking our neck out and going for it. Our draft history being poor and the team that gets the best player in a trade typically wins the trade. And I remember listing a bunch of our bad draft picks and saying the players we traded were the type that will be available in free agency.

I agree with all that, I just felt we could have insisted on more protections in n rhe picks. I don’t mean complete lottery protection all the way through, I just mean more than we got. I don’t think Utah walks away from the deal if we do. Maybe I’m wrong about that.

[witljon]

Honestly, it was about the lack of protections on the picks. I thought the picks should have been more strongly protected, to guard against disaster. 4 picks in the 20s is no big deal, but multiple lotto picks could have been a disaster.


But so far it looks like we’re avoiding that fate. So good.

My biggest talking points for being in favor of the Gobert trade was we were sticking our neck out and going for it. Our draft history being poor and the team that gets the best player in a trade typically wins the trade. And I remember listing a bunch of our bad draft picks and saying the players we traded were the type that will be available in free agency.

I agree with all that, I just felt we could have insisted on more protections in n rhe picks. I don’t mean complete lottery protection all the way through, I just mean more than we got. I don’t think Utah walks away from the deal if we do. Maybe I’m wrong about that.

There was even more negative feedback when Towns came in after losing a bunch of weight from being sick and then getting injured while Gobert played with a bad back. I remember it being called the worst trade in sports history not only by some Wolves fans, but also by some in the national media.

[Beef Supreme]

My biggest talking points for being in favor of the Gobert trade was we were sticking our neck out and going for it. Our draft history being poor and the team that gets the best player in a trade typically wins the trade. And I remember listing a bunch of our bad draft picks and saying the players we traded were the type that will be available in free agency.

I agree with all that, I just felt we could have insisted on more protections in n rhe picks. I don’t mean complete lottery protection all the way through, I just mean more than we got. I don’t think Utah walks away from the deal if we do. Maybe I’m wrong about that.

There was even more negative feedback when Towns came in after losing a bunch of weight from being sick and then getting injured while Gobert played with a bad back. I remember it being called the worst trade in sports history not only by some Wolves fans, but also by some in the national media.

Yeah.


The bad back thing really worried me. There wasn’t a dramatic injury ever. It was just like his back was sore and limiting him. I worried about damaged goods. Like a 31 year-old giant human’s back probably doesn’t get better as he ages.

I was off on that too.

[HeHateMe]

A brief, yet incomplete, history of my inscrutably sordid draft crushes:

2020- Tyler Bey
2019- Admiral Schofield
2018- Elie Okobo
2017- Anzejs Pasecniks
2016- Brice Johnson
2015- Joe Young
2014- James Young
2013- Nate Wolters
2012- Royce White
2011- Marshon Brooks
2010- Jarvis Varnado

I throw myself on the mercy of the Froob Court.

Being a bit of a nerd, I've kept a list for awhile now of picks who were late-lotto or beyond that I liked.

2022- Jalen Duren
2021 - Day'Ron Sharpe
2020 - Desmond Bane
2019 - Bol Bol
2018 - Michael Porter
2017 - Jordan Bell
2016 - Denzel Valentine
2015 - Bobby Portis
2014 - None
2013 - Shabazz
2012 - Mo Harkless
2011 - Shelvin Mack
2010 - Eric Bledsoe
2009 - Ty Lawson
2008 - None
2007 - Al Thornton
2006 - Kyle Lowry, Rodney Carney
2005 - Hakim Warrick
2004 - Jameer Nelson, Kirk Snyder

BOL!!!

Where's thinktank when you need him?

[Moses Scurry]

I vaguely recall thinking Hakim Warrick would be good.

[salamander]

I think I was the lone dog that didn’t buy the OJ Mayo hype. There might have been others, but not many. I remember pissed off fans when we traded him draft night.

Yeah, that was me! Way wrong on Mayo.

Well, I was the village idiot that liked the Jarrett Culver pick. I even defended him during his terrible rookie season.

I'm with you there. Loved the Jarrett Culver pick. Ouch.

[somuchyummy]

Yeah, that was me! Way wrong on Mayo.

Well, I was the village idiot that liked the Jarrett Culver pick. I even defended him during his terrible rookie season.

I'm with you there. Loved the Jarrett Culver pick. Ouch.

big Culver fan, but i lost my Jones for him when I did my daily eyes closed FT challenge at the after school program where I worked - and after about two weeks of shooting ten per day, determined I was a better FT shooter blind than he was with his eyes open. that guy, at least early on, had his photo in the dictionary under "deer in headlights".

[boxter432]

I wanted Shan Foster in 2008 somehow (like our Mario Chalmers or Pek pick I guess), - 47% 3 pt shooter his senior year (42 career) .... never even played an NBA game. he was 10 years too early maybe!

[salamander]

Well, I was the village idiot that liked the Jarrett Culver pick. I even defended him during his terrible rookie season.

I'm with you there. Loved the Jarrett Culver pick. Ouch.

big Culver fan, but i lost my Jones for him when I did my daily eyes closed FT challenge at the after school program where I worked - and after about two weeks of shooting ten per day, determined I was a better FT shooter blind than he was with his eyes open. that guy, at least early on, had his photo in the dictionary under "deer in headlights".

Yeah, I can see how that would sour you.

Dude had a less than 50% FT % a couple years. I was never a good shooter in basketball (was always a really good rebounder and defensive guy/played center) and I had a better FT% than him too.