Re: Tyus Jones 3 Years 28 Million Grizz
Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:50 pm
Thats just Jodaa, he has already decided Rosas is worse than Kahn
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Thats just Jodaa, he has already decided Rosas is worse than Kahn
Career NumbersThrillkill wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:02 pmEvery backup PG has a flaw or they'd be starting. Fact is he was solid. A good backup who had a chance to get better with some work on his shooting. That gets you at minimum 6-8 mil in the NBA. I said I'd probably match up to 3 years 20 mil if we couldn't find an alternative. I assume he would have taken an offer like that from us. But we pissed him off and he gone and we also have no backup plan for our missing backup. Anyone who thinks that it's Napier might want to compare his and Tyus career shooting stats.Machine2020 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:16 pmTHISsomuchyummy wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 6:18 pm
no. it's a fair offer for a guy who never figured out how to shoot.
Thank you...undersized backup PG who lacks in defense....why pay Tyus because he's a couple of years younger four times as much? The most I was hoping Tyus would cost is four, if I had to bet, Rosas offered him less. I know it's becoming a running joke, but just because Houston gambled on CP3 doesn't make their FO any less impressive because of how they obtained everyone else. Rosas was a part of that, he clearly takes what he is given. Your stat breakdown is probably all he needed to look at....it's moneyball, you get nearly the exact same thing for a fraction of the cost.KevinBaconIsNotMyHero wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:56 pmCareer NumbersThrillkill wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:02 pmEvery backup PG has a flaw or they'd be starting. Fact is he was solid. A good backup who had a chance to get better with some work on his shooting. That gets you at minimum 6-8 mil in the NBA. I said I'd probably match up to 3 years 20 mil if we couldn't find an alternative. I assume he would have taken an offer like that from us. But we pissed him off and he gone and we also have no backup plan for our missing backup. Anyone who thinks that it's Napier might want to compare his and Tyus career shooting stats.
True Shooting%
Tyus Jones 51.5%
Shabazz Napier 52.5%
3point%
Tyus Jones 33.3%
Shabazz Napier 35.4%
3pt rate
Tyus Jones 34.%
Shabazz Napier 48.2%
Effective FG%
Tyus Jones 47.7%
Shabazz Napier 47.8%
Tyus Jones will make 9 million dollars. Shabazz Napier will make 1.8 million dollars.
How dare you bring facts and logic to the discussion, especially when they refute roobs' feelings, man. It's all about the unhinged emotional tirade!KevinBaconIsNotMyHero wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:56 pmCareer NumbersThrillkill wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:02 pmEvery backup PG has a flaw or they'd be starting. Fact is he was solid. A good backup who had a chance to get better with some work on his shooting. That gets you at minimum 6-8 mil in the NBA. I said I'd probably match up to 3 years 20 mil if we couldn't find an alternative. I assume he would have taken an offer like that from us. But we pissed him off and he gone and we also have no backup plan for our missing backup. Anyone who thinks that it's Napier might want to compare his and Tyus career shooting stats.
True Shooting%
Tyus Jones 51.5%
Shabazz Napier 52.5%
3point%
Tyus Jones 33.3%
Shabazz Napier 35.4%
3pt rate
Tyus Jones 34.%
Shabazz Napier 48.2%
Effective FG%
Tyus Jones 47.7%
Shabazz Napier 47.8%
Tyus Jones will make 9 million dollars. Shabazz Napier will make 1.8 million dollars.
You're hoops? Welcome.Machine2020 wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 8:14 pmHi Cat...The Hoopsguru is backkkkkk....
I love Tyus but I just can't get too sad at that salary. I love that Rosas is going big and trying to reset this Thibs-Layden mess.
His best season was two years ago in Portland. He was good and was on the floor often with either Lillard or McCollum. Vanterpool was an assistant in Portland at the time as well.KATMANDUDE wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:12 pm I think that the Wolves may consider Napier a step up for what they want to do defensively.
Napier is a better match-up for switching on to SGs. He often was on court with Russell last year & Lillard the two previous years.
(I also think this is a part of the Culver at point discussion too.)
We have three wings now that excel defensively....we have one with potential to be that guy....we can afford a PG to be a little weak defensively overall. The key with Napier, IMO....is that he's actually a more legit scoring threat...which can give us better spacing.KATMANDUDE wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:12 pm I think that the Wolves may consider Napier a step up for what they want to do defensively.
Napier is a better match-up for switching on to SGs. He often was on court with Russell last year & Lillard the two previous years.
(I also think this is a part of the Culver at point discussion too.)
You say that as though I haven't watched most games over the past decade. There comes a certain point when I'd rather not watch another team limp through the season to the lottery year after year until we get to the next rebuild. Let me know when your boy Wiggins is off the roster, then I might have a reason to watch. Though I will admit, watching him dribble the ball off his foot has its own comedic value.
Not quite the point I was making.digitalwolf wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:31 pmWe have three wings now that excel defensively....we have one with potential to be that guy....we can afford a PG to be a little weak defensively overall. The key with Napier, IMO....is that he's actually a more legit scoring threat...which can give us better spacing.KATMANDUDE wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:12 pm I think that the Wolves may consider Napier a step up for what they want to do defensively.
Napier is a better match-up for switching on to SGs. He often was on court with Russell last year & Lillard the two previous years.
(I also think this is a part of the Culver at point discussion too.)
Culver at PG, Covington at PF, Okogie playing PG - in any world of basketball as we know it - this has miserable fucking failure written all over it.digitalwolf wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:31 pmWe have three wings now that excel defensively....we have one with potential to be that guy....we can afford a PG to be a little weak defensively overall. The key with Napier, IMO....is that he's actually a more legit scoring threat...which can give us better spacing.KATMANDUDE wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:12 pm I think that the Wolves may consider Napier a step up for what they want to do defensively.
Napier is a better match-up for switching on to SGs. He often was on court with Russell last year & Lillard the two previous years.
(I also think this is a part of the Culver at point discussion too.)
Didn't mean it as a slight, I generally assume most people who post regularly here watch the team regularly. I'm sure most miss some games.zeitgeist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:48 pmYou say that as though I haven't watched most games over the past decade. There comes a certain point when I'd rather not watch another team limp through the season to the lottery year after year until we get to the next rebuild. Let me know when your boy Wiggins is off the roster, then I might have a reason to watch. Though I will admit, watching him dribble the ball off his foot has its own comedic value.
I'm fine with parting with Tyus for that price.
You haven't listened to any Saunders interviews, have you? Anything about the plan for the offense. Based on what I've heard we wont see Flip's old 500 play, 1 foot thick offensive playbook.jodaman01 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:01 amCulver at PG, Covington at PF, Okogie playing PG - in any world of basketball as we know it - this has miserable fucking failure written all over it.digitalwolf wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:31 pmWe have three wings now that excel defensively....we have one with potential to be that guy....we can afford a PG to be a little weak defensively overall. The key with Napier, IMO....is that he's actually a more legit scoring threat...which can give us better spacing.KATMANDUDE wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:12 pm I think that the Wolves may consider Napier a step up for what they want to do defensively.
Napier is a better match-up for switching on to SGs. He often was on court with Russell last year & Lillard the two previous years.
(I also think this is a part of the Culver at point discussion too.)
Saunder’s is already being hamstrung by Rosas into designing an offense that utilizes these players in said fashion......OhhhhhKayyyyy.
I expect Saunders to change the offense, but I doubt he is capable of making up something this fantastical.
Let’s get players who are playing positions their entire basketball career and let’s know have them not play them, let’s have them play positions they have no business playing at the NBA level because they will be playing against NBA level players at those positions......Sounds innovative, much like the Hindenburg and Titanic did.
I’m just not buying the Rosas smoke, this is the shit you have to do and make up when can’t draft or build a team properly. This year will be the one trash year every new GM seems to get, after Rosas gets the high draft pick that it brings - Glen will apply pressure and demand results. I think at that point we will see Rosas try to put together a “real” team and the BS will stop.
I don’t know if Saunders will be around to see it though....feels like he has sacrifice written all over him at this point.
GO WOLVES!!
j2j wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:02 pmHow dare you bring facts and logic to the discussion, especially when they refute roobs' feelings, man. It's all about the unhinged emotional tirade!KevinBaconIsNotMyHero wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:56 pmCareer NumbersThrillkill wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:02 pm
Every backup PG has a flaw or they'd be starting. Fact is he was solid. A good backup who had a chance to get better with some work on his shooting. That gets you at minimum 6-8 mil in the NBA. I said I'd probably match up to 3 years 20 mil if we couldn't find an alternative. I assume he would have taken an offer like that from us. But we pissed him off and he gone and we also have no backup plan for our missing backup. Anyone who thinks that it's Napier might want to compare his and Tyus career shooting stats.
True Shooting%
Tyus Jones 51.5%
Shabazz Napier 52.5%
3point%
Tyus Jones 33.3%
Shabazz Napier 35.4%
3pt rate
Tyus Jones 34.%
Shabazz Napier 48.2%
Effective FG%
Tyus Jones 47.7%
Shabazz Napier 47.8%
Tyus Jones will make 9 million dollars. Shabazz Napier will make 1.8 million dollars.
I see about 102 mil on the books for next year between Towns/Wiggins/Covington/Dieng/Layman/Culver/Okogie/KBD (assuming they exercise the options for both of the last two guys). Maybe Nowell cuts into that too if they give him multi year deal? Wiggins need to get moved for a 2020-2021 expiring contract.Southpaw23 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:25 am I think Joda is surprised that the wolves aren’t in win now mode with the West as stacked as ever and swinging and missing on getting another star.
Find a way to move Dieng this year and we’ll have a max/near max slot. I think I did the math and we had ~13 million already minus the 1st hold.
I like your Batum trade idea for Wiggins. It's supposed to be a weaker 2020 free agency class too. Maybe somehow he uses his player option and decides to opt out next summer?HeHateMe wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:29 amI see about 102 mil on the books for next year between Towns/Wiggins/Covington/Dieng/Layman/Culver/Okogie/KBD (assuming they exercise the options for both of the last two guys). Maybe Nowell cuts into that too if they give him multi year deal? Wiggins need to get moved for a 2020-2021 expiring contract.Southpaw23 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 9:25 am I think Joda is surprised that the wolves aren’t in win now mode with the West as stacked as ever and swinging and missing on getting another star.
Find a way to move Dieng this year and we’ll have a max/near max slot. I think I did the math and we had ~13 million already minus the 1st hold.
Have you looked at the numbers shit bird? No one cares he's gone because Tyus can't shoot. Have you looked at the numbers shit bird? Can Napier shoot then somehow? KNow what Tyus can do? Get assists without turning it over? Not play like JJ? Get steals to make up for his man D? Can Napier do that shit bird? Ask someone who watches ball and they will tell you.j2j wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 10:02 pmHow dare you bring facts and logic to the discussion, especially when they refute roobs' feelings, man. It's all about the unhinged emotional tirade!KevinBaconIsNotMyHero wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:56 pmCareer NumbersThrillkill wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 9:02 pm
Every backup PG has a flaw or they'd be starting. Fact is he was solid. A good backup who had a chance to get better with some work on his shooting. That gets you at minimum 6-8 mil in the NBA. I said I'd probably match up to 3 years 20 mil if we couldn't find an alternative. I assume he would have taken an offer like that from us. But we pissed him off and he gone and we also have no backup plan for our missing backup. Anyone who thinks that it's Napier might want to compare his and Tyus career shooting stats.
True Shooting%
Tyus Jones 51.5%
Shabazz Napier 52.5%
3point%
Tyus Jones 33.3%
Shabazz Napier 35.4%
3pt rate
Tyus Jones 34.%
Shabazz Napier 48.2%
Effective FG%
Tyus Jones 47.7%
Shabazz Napier 47.8%
Tyus Jones will make 9 million dollars. Shabazz Napier will make 1.8 million dollars.
Wiggins for Batum? You have lost your basketball mind. SmhHeHateMe wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:26 amDidn't mean it as a slight, I generally assume most people who post regularly here watch the team regularly. I'm sure most miss some games.zeitgeist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:48 pmYou say that as though I haven't watched most games over the past decade. There comes a certain point when I'd rather not watch another team limp through the season to the lottery year after year until we get to the next rebuild. Let me know when your boy Wiggins is off the roster, then I might have a reason to watch. Though I will admit, watching him dribble the ball off his foot has its own comedic value.
I'm fine with parting with Tyus for that price.
I'll keep you posted on Wiggy, I'm still hoping for a Batum trade if Jordan is still as dumb as people think.
Goal is to be a player in free agency in 2021. Can't be paying Wiggins 30 mil a year for the production he currently gives the team.UnFadeable21 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:14 amWiggins for Batum? You have lost your basketball mind. SmhHeHateMe wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 8:26 amDidn't mean it as a slight, I generally assume most people who post regularly here watch the team regularly. I'm sure most miss some games.zeitgeist wrote: ↑Wed Jul 10, 2019 11:48 pm
You say that as though I haven't watched most games over the past decade. There comes a certain point when I'd rather not watch another team limp through the season to the lottery year after year until we get to the next rebuild. Let me know when your boy Wiggins is off the roster, then I might have a reason to watch. Though I will admit, watching him dribble the ball off his foot has its own comedic value.
I'm fine with parting with Tyus for that price.
I'll keep you posted on Wiggy, I'm still hoping for a Batum trade if Jordan is still as dumb as people think.
His salary is taking up 6.5% of their cap. Most of their big contracts are all expiring after this next season. The Kyle Anderson contract still surprises me.
Who were they even bidding against besides us at about $4 million per season? For them to end up doubling that is bad business, unless there was a secret teams dying to have Tyus Jones.
Gorgui got an extension during his rookie deal. Maybe you're thinking of Pek.irishman89 wrote: ↑Thu Jul 11, 2019 10:42 amWho were they even bidding against besides us at about $4 million per season? For them to end up doubling that is bad business, unless there was a secret teams dying to have Tyus Jones.
Isn't that how we got stuck with Gorgui?