KDC: Most pressured QB in 2018

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Re: KDC: Most pressured QB in 2018

Post by cunningham » Fri May 17, 2019 7:49 pm

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This thread belongs in some sort of Hall of Shame.
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More fun than researching kickers on YouTube! Or researching college guys for the draft who we don’t end up taking.

Lots of ways to waste time. That Teddy video did bring back a lot of memories. Cousins in that Rams game looked pretty good as well. Not good enough though.

The Super Bowl this year though... WTF? Goff torched our defense. Barr was exploited on a few plays - McVay showed the NFL that move - and it really reminded me of something.

Since that Eagles game the way to beat Zimmer seems to be to go long. Maybe it is a law of averages or something? That slant on Barr though.... I feel like that was done in the next like 5 games against us.

Oh yeah, not to get off topic, KDC looked stunned in that Buffalo game. That defense killed us. It seems like by the time we got to Seattle the entire NFL knew how to beat us. So firing Flip was a good move.

Then you bring in Stef, who goes run heavy against two bad teams. Grinds it out, controls time of possession, etc. Then we played Chicago though...

WTF? Honestly? The run got shut down and there was no answer at all.

It reminded me of that scene in Saving Private Ryan when the guy gets slowly stabbed by the German he let go earlier, with his own knife.

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Re: KDC: Most pressured QB in 2018

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Re: KDC: Most pressured QB in 2018

Post by PurpleHaze » Sat May 18, 2019 1:19 am

cunningham wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 8:29 am
PurpleHaze wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 6:43 am
Joe Bag 'O Donuts wrote:
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Only the St. Louis Rams threw for fewer yards, touchdowns, and first downs than the Vikings did in 2015.

Teddy sure contributed to that lower 3 and out percentage with a lot of 1st downs!

#clutch
If anyone argues that Bridgewater is better than Cousins, their delusional.

But everyone forgets that 2015 was Bridgewater's first full season as a starter and his #1 WR was a rookie Diggs(720 yards and 4 TDs). He was young and had promise, especially in the 4th quarter when the score was within 7 points (72% completion, 9.8 yard average, 118.8 rating and 0 Ints). Also TJ Clemmings and Matt Kalil were the tackles and Fusco & Mike Harris were the guards, arguably worse than 2018.

It was literally PHENOMENAL how incredible Bridgewater's ability to escape pressure was, I mean he literally looked like a veteran handling pressure. It really was incredible.

It was also totally obvious how horrible Norv's offense fit Bridgewater. Bridgewater in Norv's offense made as mush sense as a Lamar Jackson type offense ran by Philip Rivers. It was a recipe for disaster from the start. How did Cam Newton and Carolina do with Norv's offense? Answer: abysmal. Norv's rushing offense in 2018 was successful running the ball, #4 in the league, so at least he has been consistent at one thing.

When context is applied it's obvious Bridgewater had to overcome a lot of obstacles(Fucking horrible OC, even worse Oline and below average WR's at the time) he had a better season than he should have for his first full season.

Cousins is here now and even after a disappointing first season it still is very encouraging going into the 2019 season. Improved Running game, play calling and offensive line, it looks like it potentially could be dangerous and even more dangerous if the defense steps it up a couple notches like they did in 2017.
Agreed.

I said that statistically that Cousins is the best since Favre, but winning games and using other metrics that I would judge a quarterback on are less strong. If I compare apples to apples I would much rather have Cousins than Bridgewater as my quarterback next season.

I want to see Cousins accomplish more than lofty stats though. Right now I don't think he is better than Keenum though.

Winning games is all that matters to me. If a guy throws for 1 TD and wins the game 7-3 all season long and wins the Super Bowl I would gladly take that over 4000 yards, 30 TDs, and an 8-7-1 record.
You had me until the Keenum part. I will first start out by saying that when the Vikings needed to win against the Bears to make the playoffs, Cousins shit the bed. No doubt about it. But I think it comes down to who is able to win a playoff game and put the team on his back. I'm not sure every option we had at FA QBs but essentially Cousins was the unanimous #1 option because of the fact he could win a shoot out if the defense is lackluster. And let's be honest last years Oline would have been slaughtered in the playoffs.

I hope I'm right about Cousins and with an improved offense he can take the next step. In my opinion on paper the 2019 Oline is definitely an improvement. Especially if Sumia can be a pleasant surprise or Kline can regain his form.

I will tell you this it would be fun to see Cousins vs Keenum and AP, Cousins vs Haskins and AP will be fun too nonetheless because Cousins will have a little extra motivation against the Skins whether he publicy says it or not.
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Re: KDC: Most pressured QB in 2018

Post by cunningham » Sat May 18, 2019 9:35 am

PurpleHaze wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 1:19 am
cunningham wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 8:29 am
PurpleHaze wrote:
Thu May 16, 2019 6:43 am


If anyone argues that Bridgewater is better than Cousins, their delusional.

But everyone forgets that 2015 was Bridgewater's first full season as a starter and his #1 WR was a rookie Diggs(720 yards and 4 TDs). He was young and had promise, especially in the 4th quarter when the score was within 7 points (72% completion, 9.8 yard average, 118.8 rating and 0 Ints). Also TJ Clemmings and Matt Kalil were the tackles and Fusco & Mike Harris were the guards, arguably worse than 2018.

It was literally PHENOMENAL how incredible Bridgewater's ability to escape pressure was, I mean he literally looked like a veteran handling pressure. It really was incredible.

It was also totally obvious how horrible Norv's offense fit Bridgewater. Bridgewater in Norv's offense made as mush sense as a Lamar Jackson type offense ran by Philip Rivers. It was a recipe for disaster from the start. How did Cam Newton and Carolina do with Norv's offense? Answer: abysmal. Norv's rushing offense in 2018 was successful running the ball, #4 in the league, so at least he has been consistent at one thing.

When context is applied it's obvious Bridgewater had to overcome a lot of obstacles(Fucking horrible OC, even worse Oline and below average WR's at the time) he had a better season than he should have for his first full season.

Cousins is here now and even after a disappointing first season it still is very encouraging going into the 2019 season. Improved Running game, play calling and offensive line, it looks like it potentially could be dangerous and even more dangerous if the defense steps it up a couple notches like they did in 2017.
Agreed.

I said that statistically that Cousins is the best since Favre, but winning games and using other metrics that I would judge a quarterback on are less strong. If I compare apples to apples I would much rather have Cousins than Bridgewater as my quarterback next season.

I want to see Cousins accomplish more than lofty stats though. Right now I don't think he is better than Keenum though.

Winning games is all that matters to me. If a guy throws for 1 TD and wins the game 7-3 all season long and wins the Super Bowl I would gladly take that over 4000 yards, 30 TDs, and an 8-7-1 record.
You had me until the Keenum part. I will first start out by saying that when the Vikings needed to win against the Bears to make the playoffs, Cousins shit the bed. No doubt about it. But I think it comes down to who is able to win a playoff game and put the team on his back. I'm not sure every option we had at FA QBs but essentially Cousins was the unanimous #1 option because of the fact he could win a shoot out if the defense is lackluster. And let's be honest last years Oline would have been slaughtered in the playoffs.

I hope I'm right about Cousins and with an improved offense he can take the next step. In my opinion on paper the 2019 Oline is definitely an improvement. Especially if Sumia can be a pleasant surprise or Kline can regain his form.

I will tell you this it would be fun to see Cousins vs Keenum and AP, Cousins vs Haskins and AP will be fun too nonetheless because Cousins will have a little extra motivation against the Skins whether he publicy says it or not.
I see what your are saying and also always hope for the best. Rick usually doesn’t buy into free agency hype and overpay, but with Bradford and Cousins he has paid way too much. A first round pick, another pick, and 3 years, $84 mil fully guaranteed. That is a ton spent when we made the NFC Championship game with Keenum on a super cheap one year deal. A lot wasted in my view that could have been allocated elsewhere.

Cousins and Keenum had a shootout in 2017 and Keenum emerged the better quarterback. Watch that game again. They looked equal and Keenum looked better. Especially the interceptions.

Now Kubiak was brought in to install the same offense that Cousins had in Washington. There is not an excuse in the world left if this team doesn’t get a playoff win.

Those who brush off The Ravens taking Lamar Jackson (dumping Flacco), Skins taking Haskins, KC, Bills, Miami and Rosen, are not seeing how it works right now in the NFL. That is why the Skins didn’t overpay for Cousins. They also didn’t trade a team for a loan after Smith went down. They were patient.

This whole “All In” needs to be “All Out” for Rick Spielman and his ways of handling quarterbacks and the o-line.

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Re: KDC: Most pressured QB in 2018

Post by RubeTube » Sat May 18, 2019 1:03 pm

Just sitting here this rainy afternoon thinking "What is Kirk doing?"

I wish I was this strong armed, handsome man of integrity, football god.

But I'm not.

Probably just going to have to settle on ordering his jersey today!
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Re: KDC: Most pressured QB in 2018

Post by cunningham » Sat May 18, 2019 1:52 pm

Sergeant Rubetube wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 1:03 pm
Just sitting here this rainy afternoon thinking "What is Kirk doing?"

I wish I was this strong armed, handsome man of integrity, football god.

But I'm not.

Probably just going to have to settle on ordering his jersey today!
Better yet, buy a Bradbury jersey. He will be the guy who bends over and has Kirk’s hand on his balls!

:humper:

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Re: KDC: Most pressured QB in 2018

Post by RubeTube » Sat May 18, 2019 2:01 pm

cunningham wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 1:52 pm
Sergeant Rubetube wrote:
Sat May 18, 2019 1:03 pm
Just sitting here this rainy afternoon thinking "What is Kirk doing?"

I wish I was this strong armed, handsome man of integrity, football god.

But I'm not.

Probably just going to have to settle on ordering his jersey today!
Better yet, buy a Bradbury jersey. He will be the guy who bends over and has Kirk’s hand on his balls!

:humper:

:lol:
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Re: KDC: Most pressured QB in 2018

Post by RubeTube » Mon May 20, 2019 12:24 am

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