Simmons is a restricted free agent 2020-2021. You have him under his rookie deal next year, and of course can sign Butler to a supermax. But in the 2020-2021 off-season you can't afford to give Simmons a max. Good luck with that
The salary cap goes up every year if you have astute management you can figure out a way to get it done. Look at what golden state is doing. Again you're coming across this very small because you're so bitter Jimmy Butler did not want to play with Karl Anthony towns and Andrew Wiggins.
First, max contracts scale to percentage of the cap. You are literally talking about paying 85 percent of your cap space to 3 players. Second, this is why Butler hated Wiggins, he wanted the max and wasn't going to get it. You don't think Simmons wants a max? You don't think watching Butler get a contract worth 35% of the cap space while Embiid gets 25% is going to be problematic for him? Third, Butler was overrated on the Wolves. Yes he scores well, but he also took a ton of shots. So many in fact that it stunted Wiggins and Towns development. Look at how Embiid responded to an over time loss recently. He was furious he didn't take enough shots in the 4th quarter.
Finally and this is important so try and follow it, you cannot brush off a logistical problem like a salary cap just by saying your jealous that we have the guy who left your team. Roco and Saric are starters on good contracts. Saric is the perfect companion for Kat and Roco meets all the same needs that Butler did at a fraction of the shots required. Also Bayless and the 2nd are trade bait. We made out like bandits considering the obstacles your team now faces. Sorry for your lost
I like Dario & Robert Covington they're good people and Scrappy role-players, I wish nothing but the best of luck and hope you win more than 47 games like you did last year with Jimmy
I'm honestly not too worried if Jimmy Butler resigns or not , if he doesn't we have 50 mil in cap space and two Hall of Famers to build around.
Again get over your bitterness you're coming across as very small...
The salary cap goes up every year if you have astute management you can figure out a way to get it done. Look at what golden state is doing. Again you're coming across this very small because you're so bitter Jimmy Butler did not want to play with Karl Anthony towns and Andrew Wiggins.
First, max contracts scale to percentage of the cap. You are literally talking about paying 85 percent of your cap space to 3 players. Second, this is why Butler hated Wiggins, he wanted the max and wasn't going to get it. You don't think Simmons wants a max? You don't think watching Butler get a contract worth 35% of the cap space while Embiid gets 25% is going to be problematic for him? Third, Butler was overrated on the Wolves. Yes he scores well, but he also took a ton of shots. So many in fact that it stunted Wiggins and Towns development. Look at how Embiid responded to an over time loss recently. He was furious he didn't take enough shots in the 4th quarter.
Finally and this is important so try and follow it, you cannot brush off a logistical problem like a salary cap just by saying your jealous that we have the guy who left your team. Roco and Saric are starters on good contracts. Saric is the perfect companion for Kat and Roco meets all the same needs that Butler did at a fraction of the shots required. Also Bayless and the 2nd are trade bait. We made out like bandits considering the obstacles your team now faces. Sorry for your lost
I like Dari & Robert Covington they're good people I wish nothing but the best of luck and hope you win more than 47 games like you did last year with Jimmy
I'm honestly not too worried if Jimmy Butler resigns or not , if he doesn't we have $50 in cap space and two Hall of Famers to build around.
Sadly our 4-9 start makes 47 wins kinda hard (thank you so much General Soreness.) Long term with a new coach and some smart moves I think we can build around the much improved KAT and somewhat improved Wiggins (thanks again for leaving General Soreness.) Not to mention our defensive specialist and PF of the future.
Good luck to you guys, I hope Simmons learns to shoot past 10 feet. Also good luck beating Boston, or Toronto, or the Bucks or any of the other top teams in the east. If you try real hard you might actually get to the finals, you know before you 3 star team becomes a 2 star team in search of good young talent. But it's like you said, good young role players are a dime a dozen
First, max contracts scale to percentage of the cap. You are literally talking about paying 85 percent of your cap space to 3 players. Second, this is why Butler hated Wiggins, he wanted the max and wasn't going to get it. You don't think Simmons wants a max? You don't think watching Butler get a contract worth 35% of the cap space while Embiid gets 25% is going to be problematic for him? Third, Butler was overrated on the Wolves. Yes he scores well, but he also took a ton of shots. So many in fact that it stunted Wiggins and Towns development. Look at how Embiid responded to an over time loss recently. He was furious he didn't take enough shots in the 4th quarter.
Finally and this is important so try and follow it, you cannot brush off a logistical problem like a salary cap just by saying your jealous that we have the guy who left your team. Roco and Saric are starters on good contracts. Saric is the perfect companion for Kat and Roco meets all the same needs that Butler did at a fraction of the shots required. Also Bayless and the 2nd are trade bait. We made out like bandits considering the obstacles your team now faces. Sorry for your lost
I like Dari & Robert Covington they're good people I wish nothing but the best of luck and hope you win more than 47 games like you did last year with Jimmy
I'm honestly not too worried if Jimmy Butler resigns or not , if he doesn't we have $50 in cap space and two Hall of Famers to build around.
Sadly our 4-9 start makes 47 wins kinda hard (thank you so much General Soreness.) Long term with a new coach and some smart moves I think we can build around the much improved KAT and somewhat improved Wiggins (thanks again for leaving General Soreness.) Not to mention our defensive specialist and PF of the future.
Good luck to you guys, I hope Simmons learns to shoot past 10 feet. Also good luck beating Boston, or Toronto, or the Bucks or any of the other top teams in the east. If you try real hard you might actually get to the finals, you know before you 3 star team becomes a 2 star team in search of good young talent. But it's like you said, good young role players are a dime a dozen
We will try and get by with that 50 million dollars cap space we will have if Jimmy doesn't resign along with two Hall of famers. I appreciate your concern however but no one in Philadelphia is too worried about giving up Dario and Robert Covington. Lol Hall of fame-caliber players win NBA championships not dime-a-dozen role-players.
if Minnesota wins more than 47 games this year I'll come back and say I'm wrong.
Whether or not you're the same asshole from back in the day, and whether we agree or not, you're a decent poster here now.
Sincerely,
tJ
PS. I highly doubt you're the same troll from the old rube chat.
I wasn't going to post at all but minnemike asked me a question. It's all good and I will stay out if WC for the most part unless I'm asked about something.
thinktank wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:14 am
47 wins isn’t the threshold for a good Wolves season this year.
DH still trolling!
I know , like I said above the ONLY reason I posted was minnmike asked me to comment on Jimmy. I watch the Wolves and pull for them they are my second-favorite team. The only time I root against them is when they are playing my 76ers. All my friends and family are Minnesota Timberwolves fans, the only reason I turned into a 76er fan is because my dad was a 76er fan.
Edit: BTW - I have no illusions my 76ers are going to the finals , as a matter of fact with a shity coach like Brett Brown I'm expecting to get beat in the second round again.
What do you guys think... More that Jimmy is being misused or that Jimmy is starting to regress?
The problem for Jimmy is that he doesn't fit well in the offense. Simmons and Embiid both clog the lane, and this forces Jimmy to drive less and jump shoot more. He is a good shooter, don't get me wrong, but he is at his most dangerous driving and finishing through contact. Also Butler needs a ton of shots to stay in rythm (and he insists on taking big shots end of game.) This creates a problem for Embiid who wants the ball end of game.
This is a bad situation. The money is problematic, the egos are problematic, and honestly I don't think they are the best team in the east. They have 3 stars which is a good first step, but they don't have much depth. They really need Fultz to get healthy and produce, or they need to trade some future picks and Fultz and try to bring in the pieces to get it done. Normally when the wolves trade their best player to a team that team wins a title. The difference is KAT is our best player and Butler is walking nightmare for coaches and young teammates.
It's going to take awhile but people are going to realize Joel embiid is a loser and that guy put with Butler is an even worse situation. They need to get rid of both of those guys and build around Simmons with a proper point guard and teach that dude to shoot a bit. To me Joel Embiid is right in the Damian Lillard camp where they are phenomenal talents but those dudes do nothing to lead their teams past 82 games worth of practice games.
irishman89 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05, 2019 11:37 am
It's going to take awhile but people are going to realize Joel embiid is a loser and that guy put with Butler is an even worse situation. They need to get rid of both of those guys and build around Simmons with a proper point guard and teach that dude to shoot a bit. To me Joel Embiid is right in the Damian Lillard camp where they are phenomenal talents but those dudes do nothing to lead their teams past 82 games worth of practice games.
I sorta agree to the extent that Embiid doesn't fit well with Simmons. I do think Embiid could be a champion with the right pieces, but not the main star to lead someone there. For example if Harden or Kyrie we on a team with him then watch out. But Embiids ego and need to ball dominate in the paint will be a problem for any team he is on.
I feel like we're running into a strange chunk of time right now where all the superstars are never playing in big college games so we have no idea outside of McDonald's whatever games how good these guys are against Real Elite Talent until they get to the NBA. Going to college for 9 months isn't doing anybody any good on either side. Or some of these guys come from overseas and that makes things even murkier.
I just feel like Joel embiid has always been a internet sensation and he's better at that than he is at winning basketball games. The time he had to take off at the beginning of his career made him have ADD or something. He's just always focused on other crap every time I read anything from his mouth.
It seems Butler will only be happy in a place where he can dictate playing style and shot attempts. He was fun to watch here last year. I don't miss him at all at this point.
The dude is a total diva. His opinion of himself and his game is completely exaggerated.
It has served him well in the NBA, he’s made himself into a really good talent. The problem for him is that his talent is limited, and he says he gets it and that others around him on his own team are more talented. His deal is though he says that stuff and instead of trying to help those players on his team deliver on their talent and helping them improve - his ego won’t let him take a backseat to those players like he should and instead he competes against them and cannibalizes them and their opportunities to improve. That is a clear track record for him.
He wasn’t liked by the players in Chicago, he was worthless to KAT and Wiggins here, he basically helped to get Fultz out as a guy that could eat offense from him, and Embiid has already made noise about it.
The guy is a third wheel talent who internally believes he is LeBron talent.
I hope Philly signs him to the mega deal he is looking for.
jodaman01 wrote: ↑Sat Jan 05, 2019 8:26 pm
The dude is a total diva. His opinion of himself and his game is completely exaggerated.
It has served him well in the NBA, he’s made himself into a really good talent. The problem for him is that his talent is limited, and he says he gets it and that others around him on his own team are more talented. His deal is though he says that stuff and instead of trying to help those players on his team deliver on their talent and helping them improve - his ego won’t let him take a backseat to those players like he should and instead he competes against them and cannibalizes them and their opportunities to improve. That is a clear track record for him.
He wasn’t liked by the players in Chicago, he was worthless to KAT and Wiggins here, he basically helped to get Fultz out as a guy that could eat offense from him, and Embiid has already made noise about it.
The guy is a third wheel talent who internally believes he is LeBron talent.
I hope Philly signs him to the mega deal he is looking for.
GO WOLVES!!
At this point they don't have much choice. No team will trade for him in the off seasonbecause of the supermax. Better to recruit him as a FA and then only pay a 4 year more reasonable deal. Given the loss of Roco and Saric I doubt the owner would be happy letting Butler walk as an UFA.
I can see Butler playing next to Lebron next season simply to get away from his latest reputation.
Yeah, I thought we were going to trade Butler to the Lakers.
I doubt he's on the Sixers next season.
Myself and most 6er fans are about 50/50 If we should super max him. After watching him play every minute of every game in Philly he's not quite as good as I thought he was. Not saying he's not a very good player , he is a star , but not a Hall of Fame type of player. He's certainly not a super max player in my opinion , or the opinion of most 6er fans. He's CLEARLY the 3rd best player on the team and I'm not sure if I like the idea of super maxing the third best player on your team who is close to 30. I don't follow the salary cap stuff super close but I think if we make a few tweaks we will have 50 mil in cap space going into the offseason. I know Brett Brown & Kawhi Leonard are very tight from the San Antonio days. He would be my number-one target if I were the 6ers management. A lot of good free agents on the market this offseason and Philadelphia has money to spend and really didn't give up a whole lot to get Jimmy Butler. 50 mil in cap space can get you lot better players than Dario and Robert Covington who they gave up and I suspect that was exactly what they were thinking when they made the deal. That's the way most Philadelphia fans see it plus Robert Covington had knee issues in Philadelphia too never playing more than 70 games a season until last year. (80) even though Robert was the most booed player in Philadelphia the last couple years everybody seemed to like him. He's just a good guy and does a great job on defense. Everybody that's a 76er fan is pulling for Robert Covington.
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I can see Butler playing next to Lebron next season simply to get away from his latest reputation.
Yeah, I thought we were going to trade Butler to the Lakers.
I doubt he's on the Sixers next season.
Myself and most 6er fans are about 50/50 If we should super max him. After watching him play every minute of every game in Philly he's not quite as good as I thought he was. Not saying he's not a very good player , he is star , but not a Hall of Fame type of player. He's certainly not a super max player in my opinion , or the opinion of most 6er fans. He's CLEARLY the 3rd best player on the team and I'm not sure if I like the idea of super maxing the third best player on your team who is close to 30. I don't follow the salary cap stuff super close but I think if we make a few tweaks we will have 50 mil in cap space going into the offseason. I know Brett Brown & Kawhi Leonard are very tight from the San Antonio days. He would be my number-one target if I were the 6ers management. A lot of good free agents on the market this offseason and Philadelphia has money to spend and really didn't give up a whole lot to get Jimmy Butler. 50 mil in cap space can get you lot better players than Dario and Robert Covington who they gave up and I suspect that was exactly what they were thinking when they made the deal. That's the way most Philadelphia fans see it plus Robert Covington had knee issues in Philadelphia too never playing more than 70 games a season until last year. (80) even though Robert was the most booed player in Philadelphia the last couple years everybody seemed to like him. He's just a good guy and does a great job on defense. Everybody that's a 76er fan is pulling for Robert Covington.
It will be very interesting to see what the Sixers do.
thinktank wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:15 am
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"I think he's on thin ice, Zach," MacMullan said of Butler. "I think he's on thin ice. And I think he's a very talented player and no one has ever called him soft either, he's a very tough player. On paper, he would be exactly what you'd want on a team. He's not a selfish player, I would never say that about him. He defends, boy does he defend. He gets at it. He makes good decisions on the offensive end of the floor. I don't know him well enough to know, is it real or is it bravado—this whole idea that I'm going to take everyone on.
"I can tell you, having spent a couple of days in Philadelphia, they don't love it."
Andrew Porter
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@And_Porter
I'm not 100% sure the #Sixers wouldn't do the trade over.
"I think he's on thin ice, Zach," MacMullan said of Butler. "I think he's on thin ice. And I think he's a very talented player and no one has ever called him soft either, he's a very tough player. On paper, he would be exactly what you'd want on a team. He's not a selfish player, I would never say that about him. He defends, boy does he defend. He gets at it. He makes good decisions on the offensive end of the floor. I don't know him well enough to know, is it real or is it bravado—this whole idea that I'm going to take everyone on.
"I can tell you, having spent a couple of days in Philadelphia, they don't love it."
Andrew Porter
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@And_Porter
I'm not 100% sure the #Sixers wouldn't do the trade over.
