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Holy fuck if we turned Lavine/Dunn/7 into Chriss + Knight and late round draft picks I'd asphyxiate myself

whiskerbiscuit wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:32 am

j2j wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:42 am Kris Dunn can't hit the broadside of the barn and has been a net negative player through 3 years. By taking him we passed on Jamal Murray and Buddy Hield, two guys many of us wanted. Not sure how that's considered a "decent pick".

I'm positive that thibs picked dunn because he thought of Rose. Yet another example of his inability to get over the bulls. We were fine at pg and desperately needed shooting. Flip would've taken Murray.




Rubio/jones
Lavine\Murray
Wiggins
Markaanen
Towns




That's a nice young core that would probably be ready to push for the playoffs. Fuck thibs. He ruined everything.

LOL...please break down the Dunn/Rose comparison?! I mean other than them being completely opposite players, both coming out and immediate impact, how was Thibs thinking Dunn somehow reminded him of Rose? Oh wait, don't bother...because it's not possible to compare the two. Jesus Christ, some people's bias in here makes them say the dumbest shit ever.

flexbuffchest wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:28 am

Give us Richardson, Olynyk, and a 1st and lets go!

whiskerbiscuit wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:32 am

j2j wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:42 am Kris Dunn can't hit the broadside of the barn and has been a net negative player through 3 years. By taking him we passed on Jamal Murray and Buddy Hield, two guys many of us wanted. Not sure how that's considered a "decent pick".

I'm positive that thibs picked dunn because he thought of Rose. Yet another example of his inability to get over the bulls. We were fine at pg and desperately needed shooting. Flip would've taken Murray.




Rubio/jones
Lavine\Murray
Wiggins
Markaanen
Towns




That's a nice young core that would probably be ready to push for the playoffs. Fuck thibs. He ruined everything.

That might be the worst defensive team in NBA history.

Richardson and Whiteside or bust.

whiskerbiscuit wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:32 am

j2j wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:42 am Kris Dunn can't hit the broadside of the barn and has been a net negative player through 3 years. By taking him we passed on Jamal Murray and Buddy Hield, two guys many of us wanted. Not sure how that's considered a "decent pick".

I'm positive that thibs picked dunn because he thought of Rose. Yet another example of his inability to get over the bulls. We were fine at pg and desperately needed shooting. Flip would've taken Murray.




Rubio/jones
Lavine\Murray
Wiggins
Markaanen
Towns




That's a nice young core that would probably be ready to push for the playoffs. Fuck thibs. He ruined everything.

Perhaps, but the reality is, if we paid Lavine the same amount that he is currently getting, we probably can't afford to re-sign both Rubio & Murray anyway.
So, we would have Rubio today in the last year of his deal. Do you trade him in season and take a step back in order to recoup something of value and not lose him next year in FA (lots of teams with cap space), or do you let this season play out and lose him next year for nothing?

So it's not like that core can be sustained long term anyway, and it's also not good enough to win a title this year before we have to start dismantling.

Just saying.

The Miami Heat have re-opened talks for Minnesota Timberwolves swingman Jimmy Butler after the Wolves turned down a reported offer of Marquese Chriss, Brandon Knight and four first-round picks from the Houston Rockets, according to Lefty Leif of 5 Reasons Sports, seconded by ESPN’s Stefano Fusaro.

According to Thursday’s report, the Rockets would wait until the end of the month until the two-month anniversary of Chriss’ and Knights’ acquisition, making them tradable assets for the first time, and serving as salary-matching pieces to Butler’s $38.5 million that remain in his contract.

The Heat have put themselves back in the race after having tried plenty of revisited offers for Butler, quickly becoming the hardest-charging franchise in request for his services after his request became public.

President Pat Riley is looking for a culture-setter, given that this is expected to be Dwyane Wade’s last season in the NBA and now in need of someone to take the torch for the future to put his team in playoff contention.

The Heat’s last offer included caving on three-and-D extraordinaire Josh Richardson and shooting guard Dion Waiters along with a protected first-round pick. A revised offer reportedly packaged Richardson, center Kelly Olynyk and a first-rounder, but they all got the boot from president Tom Thibodeau, who is quarterbacking operations in trade talks.

flexbuffchest wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:28 am

Suppose we can thank the Rockets for offering something, because I think Riley will finally bend over and pull his pants down. We could get a haul from them. Riley knows they can be top 5 team in the East with Butler, Dragic, and Whiteside. Give us Richardson, Winslow, Olynick, and a 1st, for Butler, Dieng, and a 2.

Butler for 4 first and Gordon
Wiggins and a first for Richardson

And here we go...

j2j wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:19 amAnd here we go...

Give em up, Miami!

Richardson, Bam, 1st... DONE DEAL.

Moses Scurry wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:58 am Richardson and Whiteside or bust.

It's always been the only deal for me. Well, not just me but the deal I think all parties would sign off on.

But plan A for me is still play it out and trade Towns not Butler. So many excuse makers for Towns I'm sure there are GM's who would do the same and pay us big for him. But that is unlikely so to hedge all bets I'd take the Mia deal.

Thrillkill wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:24 am

Moses Scurry wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:58 am Richardson and Whiteside or bust.

It's always been the only deal for me. Well, not just me but the deal I think all parties would sign off on.

But plan A for me is still play it out and trade Towns not Butler. So many excuse makers for Towns I'm sure there are GM's who would do the same and pay us big for him. But that is unlikely so to hedge all bets I'd take the Mia deal.

Maybe throw in a swap deal... Timberwolves can swap picks with Heat one year if the Heat pick before the Wolves.

Thrillkill wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:24 am

Moses Scurry wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:58 am Richardson and Whiteside or bust.

It's always been the only deal for me. Well, not just me but the deal I think all parties would sign off on.

But plan A for me is still play it out and trade Towns not Butler. So many excuse makers for Towns I'm sure there are GM's who would do the same and pay us big for him. But that is unlikely so to hedge all bets I'd take the Mia deal.

Yeah, Towns is not getting traded although if Taylor remains tied to Thibs.. by all means.... do whatever he wants to win in the short term. Trade Towns for Marc Gasol and Wiggins/Gibson to Charlotte for Batum and a shit contract. Let's GO!

Philo Beddoe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:41 am

Thrillkill wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:24 am

Moses Scurry wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:58 am Richardson and Whiteside or bust.

It's always been the only deal for me. Well, not just me but the deal I think all parties would sign off on.

But plan A for me is still play it out and trade Towns not Butler. So many excuse makers for Towns I'm sure there are GM's who would do the same and pay us big for him. But that is unlikely so to hedge all bets I'd take the Mia deal.

Maybe throw in a swap deal... Timberwolves can swap picks with Heat one year if the Heat pick before the Wolves.

If an added pick is the sticking point then that might be a compromise but it would have to stretch out for years and I don't think Mia would want to do that because they will want to use their picks in deals for vets in the coming years if they go all in.

HeHateMe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:42 am

Thrillkill wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:24 am

Moses Scurry wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:58 am Richardson and Whiteside or bust.

It's always been the only deal for me. Well, not just me but the deal I think all parties would sign off on.

But plan A for me is still play it out and trade Towns not Butler. So many excuse makers for Towns I'm sure there are GM's who would do the same and pay us big for him. But that is unlikely so to hedge all bets I'd take the Mia deal.

Yeah, Towns is not getting traded although if Taylor remains tied to Thibs.. by all means.... do whatever he wants to win in the short term. Trade Towns for Marc Gasol and Wiggins/Gibson to Charlotte for Batum and a shit contract. Let's GO!

Can't trade Towns until next offseason and the teams that Butler named first that have big space could put together a pretty nice package for him while also giving us space. Or you know, just act like we would trade him for washed up guys and avoid any rational discussion.

Thrillkill wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:47 am

HeHateMe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:42 am

Thrillkill wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:24 am
It's always been the only deal for me. Well, not just me but the deal I think all parties would sign off on.

But plan A for me is still play it out and trade Towns not Butler. So many excuse makers for Towns I'm sure there are GM's who would do the same and pay us big for him. But that is unlikely so to hedge all bets I'd take the Mia deal.

Yeah, Towns is not getting traded although if Taylor remains tied to Thibs.. by all means.... do whatever he wants to win in the short term. Trade Towns for Marc Gasol and Wiggins/Gibson to Charlotte for Batum and a shit contract. Let's GO!

Can't trade Towns until next offseason and the teams that Butler named first that have big space could put together a pretty nice package for him while also giving us space. Or you know, just act like we would trade him for washed up guys and avoid any rational discussion.

He can get traded this season. It was discussed plenty last year with Wiggins... and Winslow is still getting talked about despite his extension. Poison pill...Towns cap number now is his salary this year + an average of his next contract divided by six.

Better chance Taylor sells than Towns gets traded.

Corre Ricky Corre wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:57 am

whiskerbiscuit wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:32 am

j2j wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:42 am Kris Dunn can't hit the broadside of the barn and has been a net negative player through 3 years. By taking him we passed on Jamal Murray and Buddy Hield, two guys many of us wanted. Not sure how that's considered a "decent pick".

I'm positive that thibs picked dunn because he thought of Rose. Yet another example of his inability to get over the bulls. We were fine at pg and desperately needed shooting. Flip would've taken Murray.




Rubio/jones
Lavine\Murray
Wiggins
Markaanen
Towns




That's a nice young core that would probably be ready to push for the playoffs. Fuck thibs. He ruined everything.

That might be the worst defensive team in NBA history.

That's funny, people think defense still matters in the NBA in 2018.

HeHateMe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:54 am

Thrillkill wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:47 am

HeHateMe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:42 am
Yeah, Towns is not getting traded although if Taylor remains tied to Thibs.. by all means.... do whatever he wants to win in the short term. Trade Towns for Marc Gasol and Wiggins/Gibson to Charlotte for Batum and a shit contract. Let's GO!

Can't trade Towns until next offseason and the teams that Butler named first that have big space could put together a pretty nice package for him while also giving us space. Or you know, just act like we would trade him for washed up guys and avoid any rational discussion.

He can get traded this season. It was discussed plenty last year with Wiggins... and Winslow is still getting talked about despite his extension. Poison pill...Towns cap number now is his salary this year + an average of his next contract divided by six.

Better chance Taylor sells than Towns gets traded.

Are you sure? I thought when a guy signed an extension that doesn't kick in until next year you have to wait until it kicks in. But I do remember the pill on Winslow so you are probably right. Then I would trade Towns. Absolutely no doubt.

Dan33185 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:03 pm

Corre Ricky Corre wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:57 am

whiskerbiscuit wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:32 am

I'm positive that thibs picked dunn because he thought of Rose. Yet another example of his inability to get over the bulls. We were fine at pg and desperately needed shooting. Flip would've taken Murray.




Rubio/jones
Lavine\Murray
Wiggins
Markaanen
Towns




That's a nice young core that would probably be ready to push for the playoffs. Fuck thibs. He ruined everything.

That might be the worst defensive team in NBA history.

That's funny, people think defense still matters in the NBA in 2018.

It matters in the playoffs, which is the only thing that actually matters.
I don't even watch regular season basketball anymore outside of the Wolves.

larryhagmansliver wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:45 am

thinktank wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:50 am

larryhagmansliver wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:48 am

You're replying to statements that haven't been made?

Also you're aware that the Wolves aren't obligated to keep all the picks right? The value in this trade is not waiting out to see what we get with the four picks. it's the flexibility they give you. For instance, what do our pick, the Houston 2019 & 2021 get you come June next year? Your too one dimensional in your approach to this.

I’m comparing those picks to the value of JRich now.

Ah okay, so you created a new context for the posts you replied to.

thinktank wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:50 am The picks have the same value to other teams as they do to us.

It’s not like magically those picks become valuable when you offer them to another team.

There you go again, I must admit I admire your conviction. You're like Descartes for the Trump age... I think, therefore it's true.

thinktank wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:50 am
Think of it this way:

Those picks are so bad that Houston has to offer the maximum amount of picks allowable under the CBA.

That's one way to look at it I guess.

I’m not going to ignore the other trades out there, the competition, the market, whatever you want to call it. In evaluating Houston’s deal you have to compare it to what else is available.

As for how other teams value those picks, yeah, their value may change slightly but I doubt it changes them much. They’re still 20th to 30th picks.

thinktank wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:08 pm

larryhagmansliver wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:45 am

thinktank wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:50 am

I’m comparing those picks to the value of JRich now.

Ah okay, so you created a new context for the posts you replied to.

thinktank wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:50 am The picks have the same value to other teams as they do to us.

It’s not like magically those picks become valuable when you offer them to another team.

There you go again, I must admit I admire your conviction. You're like Descartes for the Trump age... I think, therefore it's true.

thinktank wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 8:50 am
Think of it this way:

Those picks are so bad that Houston has to offer the maximum amount of picks allowable under the CBA.

That's one way to look at it I guess.

I’m not going to ignore the other trades out there, the competition, the market, whatever you want to call it. In evaluating Houston’s deal you have to compare it to what else is available.

As for how other teams value those picks, yeah, their value may change slightly but I doubt it changes them much. They’re still 20th to 30th picks.

larryhagmansliver wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:17 pm

Don’t ignore the elephant in your room, which is the Butler market, in this case.

Corre Ricky Corre wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:57 am

whiskerbiscuit wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:32 am

j2j wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 9:42 am Kris Dunn can't hit the broadside of the barn and has been a net negative player through 3 years. By taking him we passed on Jamal Murray and Buddy Hield, two guys many of us wanted. Not sure how that's considered a "decent pick".

I'm positive that thibs picked dunn because he thought of Rose. Yet another example of his inability to get over the bulls. We were fine at pg and desperately needed shooting. Flip would've taken Murray.




Rubio/jones
Lavine\Murray
Wiggins
Markaanen
Towns




That's a nice young core that would probably be ready to push for the playoffs. Fuck thibs. He ruined everything.

That might be the worst defensive team in NBA history.

Defense is all but outlawed in this fuckin league anyways. Utah has nothing but solid defensive players across the board and they're giving up 120's as well now. It's a joke.

Dan33185 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:03 pm

Corre Ricky Corre wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:57 am

whiskerbiscuit wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 10:32 am

I'm positive that thibs picked dunn because he thought of Rose. Yet another example of his inability to get over the bulls. We were fine at pg and desperately needed shooting. Flip would've taken Murray.


Rubio/jones
Lavine\Murray
Wiggins
Markaanen
Towns




That's a nice young core that would probably be ready to push for the playoffs. Fuck thibs. He ruined everything.

That might be the worst defensive team in NBA history.

That's funny, people think defense still matters in the NBA in 2018.

The 5 best team defensive ratings(and defensive eFG%) of the last 4 years are from this year(yes we're only 5 games in and small sample size), of course so are the 10 worst defensive ratings of the last 4 years.

I dont think the value of defense has change, just that the pace of play this year skyrocketed.

It's funny to me that a fanbase that witnessed as many draft busts as the Wolves have would be salivating over ANY draft picks, let alone ones coming from a team that we would help become the 2nd best team in the league.

Flynn, Wes, Dwill, Dunn, rubio, Foye, ellington, bazz, G, are now all at best players you can pick up in free agency without breaking the bank. Let's get at best 4 more!

And hey, maybe the rockets will suck in 2023! Wooooo!!!

t_wrex wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:31 pm It's funny to me that a fanbase that witnessed as many draft busts as the Wolves have would be salivating over ANY draft picks, let alone ones coming from a team that we would help become the 2nd best team in the league.

Flynn, Wes, Dwill, Dunn, rubio, Foye, ellington, bazz, G, are now all at best players you can pick up in free agency without breaking the bank. Let's get at best 4 more!

And hey, maybe the rockets will suck in 2023! Wooooo!!!

I never agree with you but you nailed this take to the wall.

Thrillkill wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:05 pm

HeHateMe wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:54 am

Thrillkill wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 11:47 am
Can't trade Towns until next offseason and the teams that Butler named first that have big space could put together a pretty nice package for him while also giving us space. Or you know, just act like we would trade him for washed up guys and avoid any rational discussion.

He can get traded this season. It was discussed plenty last year with Wiggins... and Winslow is still getting talked about despite his extension. Poison pill...Towns cap number now is his salary this year + an average of his next contract divided by six.

Better chance Taylor sells than Towns gets traded.

Are you sure? I thought when a guy signed an extension that doesn't kick in until next year you have to wait until it kicks in. But I do remember the pill on Winslow so you are probably right. Then I would trade Towns. Absolutely no doubt.

For? Don't say Jaylen Brown.

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thinktank wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:49 pm

t_wrex wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 12:31 pm It's funny to me that a fanbase that witnessed as many draft busts as the Wolves have would be salivating over ANY draft picks, let alone ones coming from a team that we would help become the 2nd best team in the league.

Flynn, Wes, Dwill, Dunn, rubio, Foye, ellington, bazz, G, are now all at best players you can pick up in free agency without breaking the bank. Let's get at best 4 more!

And hey, maybe the rockets will suck in 2023! Wooooo!!!

I never agree with you but you nailed this take to the wall.

And he didn't even mention the ones that Taylor sold.