but my point about their logjam at SG and dearth of guys at SF has merit. how do they fully incorporate their young talent at SG when they are committed to a SG to the tune of $30M per year for the next 5 years - and that shooting guard is actually on the small side as far as PGs go? simons isn't going to play SF - he's like 6-4 175. trent's a little bigger - maybe 6-5 205 - but that's still a size mismatch at SF every night. those two are SGs with a lot of promise - and as long as CJ is riveted to the SG spot for the next 5 years, they are on the outs.
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Re: 2020 Trade Deadline Chatter (Feb. 6 @ 2:00 PM CST)
It’s not just this. Teague’s salary was off in that thing by a factor of 10 for how long? If they can’t keep simple shit up to date, are we supposed to believe they’re up to date on some of the more arcane clauses of the CBA?
It’s just a joke. I’d attempt to do the math myself rather than throw my trust in a program built by a corporate conglomerate meant to draw in rubes living in fantasyland.
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Their promise doesnt compare to CJ's reality, though. According to bbref Trent has logged 60% of his minutes at SF and Simmons has split his minutes backing up Dame and CJ.somuchyummy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:24 pmbut my point about their logjam at SG and dearth of guys at SF has merit. how do they fully incorporate their young talent at SG when they are committed to a SG to the tune of $30M per year for the next 5 years - and that shooting guard is actually on the small side as far as PGs go? simons isn't going to play SF - he's like 6-4 175. trent's a little bigger - maybe 6-5 205 - but that's still a size mismatch at SF every night. those two are SGs with a lot of promise - and as long as CJ is riveted to the SG spot for the next 5 years, they are on the outs.
Wolves would have to add a considerable amount to Wiggins to get CJ. And it's not like Wiggins is a great matchup at SF.
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Re: 2020 Trade Deadline Chatter (Feb. 6 @ 2:00 PM CST)
Also according to the trade machine Towns has 0 years left on his contract.SHAFA wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:26 pmIt’s not just this. Teague’s salary was off in that thing by a factor of 10 for how long? If they can’t keep simple shit up to date, are we supposed to believe they’re up to date on some of the more arcane clauses of the CBA?
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it's still something i wish they would pursue. it does offer a way out of a little quandry that portland has. trent has played some SF, but is that his best spot? with wiggins, portland gets a player who replaces cj's points, who costs the same for the same number of years, plays the same questionable D - but is 4 years younger and plays not only a different position, but one that the blazers are currently short-handed at.j2j wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:31 pmTheir promise doesnt compare to CJ's reality, though. According to bbref Trent has logged 60% of his minutes at SF and Simmons has split his minutes backing up Dame and CJ.somuchyummy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:24 pmbut my point about their logjam at SG and dearth of guys at SF has merit. how do they fully incorporate their young talent at SG when they are committed to a SG to the tune of $30M per year for the next 5 years - and that shooting guard is actually on the small side as far as PGs go? simons isn't going to play SF - he's like 6-4 175. trent's a little bigger - maybe 6-5 205 - but that's still a size mismatch at SF every night. those two are SGs with a lot of promise - and as long as CJ is riveted to the SG spot for the next 5 years, they are on the outs.
Wolves would have to add a considerable amount to Wiggins to get CJ. And it's not like Wiggins is a great matchup at SF.
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There are a TON of 0 years left across it. Also, extensions that don't show up, like Spencer Dinwidde. My bad. I was wrong. Pound for pound it is great with the mechanics of trades, but it has flaws and which they really seem disinterested in correcting. The Teauge thing was there for years and worse he was a candidate to be traded i.e. a player that would drive traffic to it.j2j wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:32 pmAlso according to the trade machine Towns has 0 years left on his contract.SHAFA wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:26 pmIt’s not just this. Teague’s salary was off in that thing by a factor of 10 for how long? If they can’t keep simple shit up to date, are we supposed to believe they’re up to date on some of the more arcane clauses of the CBA?
It’s just a joke. I’d attempt to do the math myself rather than throw my trust in a program built by a corporate conglomerate meant to draw in rubes living in fantasyland.
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Is Trent someone they should be overly concerned about getting minutes, though? I'll be honest, I'm biased against him due to his high school days, maybe he's changed. And I think theres a difference between Wiggins's points and CJ's.somuchyummy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:43 pmit's still something i wish they would pursue. it does offer a way out of a little quandry that portland has. trent has played some SF, but is that his best spot? with wiggins, portland gets a player who replaces cj's points, who costs the same for the same number of years, plays the same questionable D - but is 4 years younger and plays not only a different position, but one that the blazers are currently short-handed at.j2j wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:31 pmTheir promise doesnt compare to CJ's reality, though. According to bbref Trent has logged 60% of his minutes at SF and Simmons has split his minutes backing up Dame and CJ.somuchyummy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:24 pm
but my point about their logjam at SG and dearth of guys at SF has merit. how do they fully incorporate their young talent at SG when they are committed to a SG to the tune of $30M per year for the next 5 years - and that shooting guard is actually on the small side as far as PGs go? simons isn't going to play SF - he's like 6-4 175. trent's a little bigger - maybe 6-5 205 - but that's still a size mismatch at SF every night. those two are SGs with a lot of promise - and as long as CJ is riveted to the SG spot for the next 5 years, they are on the outs.
Wolves would have to add a considerable amount to Wiggins to get CJ. And it's not like Wiggins is a great matchup at SF.
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Re: 2020 Trade Deadline Chatter (Feb. 6 @ 2:00 PM CST)
The only traffic they care about is what generates ad revenue.SO_MONEY wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:47 pmThere are a TON of 0 years left across it. Also, extensions that don't show up, like Spencer Dinwidde. My bad. I was wrong. Pound for pound it is great with the mechanics of trades, but it has flaws and which they really seem disinterested in correcting. The Teauge thing was there for years and worse he was a candidate to be traded i.e. a player that would drive traffic to it.j2j wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:32 pmAlso according to the trade machine Towns has 0 years left on his contract.SHAFA wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:26 pm
It’s not just this. Teague’s salary was off in that thing by a factor of 10 for how long? If they can’t keep simple shit up to date, are we supposed to believe they’re up to date on some of the more arcane clauses of the CBA?
It’s just a joke. I’d attempt to do the math myself rather than throw my trust in a program built by a corporate conglomerate meant to draw in rubes living in fantasyland.
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Re: 2020 Trade Deadline Chatter (Feb. 6 @ 2:00 PM CST)
Does it have ads? I use some ad blockers and script stoppers. I use websites and never know how bogged down they are.SHAFA wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:53 pmThe only traffic they care about is what generates ad revenue.SO_MONEY wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:47 pmThere are a TON of 0 years left across it. Also, extensions that don't show up, like Spencer Dinwidde. My bad. I was wrong. Pound for pound it is great with the mechanics of trades, but it has flaws and which they really seem disinterested in correcting. The Teauge thing was there for years and worse he was a candidate to be traded i.e. a player that would drive traffic to it.
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Re: 2020 Trade Deadline Chatter (Feb. 6 @ 2:00 PM CST)
he's showing flashes. led them to a victory the other day against the thunder with 30 pts. hitting 39% of his threes this year.j2j wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:49 pmIs Trent someone they should be overly concerned about getting minutes, though? I'll be honest, I'm biased against him due to his high school days, maybe he's changed. And I think theres a difference between Wiggins's points and CJ's.somuchyummy wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:43 pmit's still something i wish they would pursue. it does offer a way out of a little quandry that portland has. trent has played some SF, but is that his best spot? with wiggins, portland gets a player who replaces cj's points, who costs the same for the same number of years, plays the same questionable D - but is 4 years younger and plays not only a different position, but one that the blazers are currently short-handed at.j2j wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:31 pm
Their promise doesnt compare to CJ's reality, though. According to bbref Trent has logged 60% of his minutes at SF and Simmons has split his minutes backing up Dame and CJ.
Wolves would have to add a considerable amount to Wiggins to get CJ. And it's not like Wiggins is a great matchup at SF.
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Re: 2020 Trade Deadline Chatter (Feb. 6 @ 2:00 PM CST)
I haven’t been on that thing in a long, long time, but I’d be surprised if it didn’t. My overall point though was that it’s just a tool they can use to drive click-throughs to the rest of the site.SO_MONEY wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 1:00 pmDoes it have ads? I use some ad blockers and script stoppers. I use websites and never know how bogged down they are.SHAFA wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:53 pmThe only traffic they care about is what generates ad revenue.SO_MONEY wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:47 pm
There are a TON of 0 years left across it. Also, extensions that don't show up, like Spencer Dinwidde. My bad. I was wrong. Pound for pound it is great with the mechanics of trades, but it has flaws and which they really seem disinterested in correcting. The Teauge thing was there for years and worse he was a candidate to be traded i.e. a player that would drive traffic to it.
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Re: 2020 Trade Deadline Chatter (Feb. 6 @ 2:00 PM CST)
Wouldn't surprise me ESPN is using early OUGHT logic, but I don't know how successful it is at using the rest of the site as a driver of traffic. 1. If you google it (+auto-fill) it brings you to the link real quick without entering the site and 2. Speed-dials have taken over which are easier and more practical than using favorites. Then again this could be why they don't want to invest in it. DOWN WITH THE PATRIARCHY!!!!!
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Stop burying the lead! ...SO_MONEY wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 12:11 pmI wasn't trying to be a dickbag. I was addressing a point I thought was legitimate and needed to be mentioned for your edification, turns out I was the one that needed to be edified. That is all. Moreover I didn't read anything into you correcting me, I was wrong. I do have an issue with wanting to fight when I am willing to admit it. You know being a real dickbag.
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No. Not in this market. You don't give up a player that is in the highest demand on one of the best contracts in the NBA for strictly a FRP or a modest prospect, you need both. Period. Otherwise he will bring in one or the other next year where variables may change and a different player may be in demand or an equal or more lucrative player is on the market. In other words Covington is going to get you SHIT!!!! In a good way!!!!
People are underselling what is going on.
The only way I can see us not dealing Covington is if we have a pre-conceived trade with a team that requires us to wait to next year where restrictions no-longer prevent the consummation of said deal. I am not sure how handshake deals work or if we want to take the risk, but common sense would dictate that if we don't trade him we have a deal in place with his value as it is now.
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Re: 2020 Trade Deadline Chatter (Feb. 6 @ 2:00 PM CST)
Really? First, you really have no understanding of how a trade in the NBA works. Scott plus at least another player, along with Thybulle, needs to be included since both teams are above the salary cap level.
Second, Scott is just salary filler. I'm certainly not trading Robert Covington, a quality role player on a good NBA contract, for just a late first round pick. Maybe you do that, but few people would. If Thybulle isn't in the deal then I would want two first round picks.
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If nothing else, this thread has shown me once again how terrible you all are at evaluating NBA talent.
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Re: 2020 Trade Deadline Chatter (Feb. 6 @ 2:00 PM CST)
Not how it works Chief. There are restrictions placed on teams be it they are under the cap, apron or hard capped. You would only need to deal Thybulle and Scott to make a deal work between MN and PHI. I already addressed this. Way to ignore it and continue BS. We do agree on a level of valuation...there is that.mlhouse wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:18 pmReally? First, you really have no understanding of how a trade in the NBA works. Scott plus at least another player, along with Thybulle, needs to be included since both teams are above the salary cap level.
Second, Scott is just salary filler. I'm certainly not trading Robert Covington, a quality role player on a good NBA contract, for just a late first round pick. Maybe you do that, but few people would. If Thybulle isn't in the deal then I would want two first round picks.
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And that no one knows what a dickbag is.
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You mean we cant trade Napier for an unprotected 1st?
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Dont ask why, but let's pretend you had a lot of dicks. Like 300 of them in your basement. And you needed to move them to another location. Are you going to carry them out 1 by 1? No, you're going to put them in a bag... It's exhausting explaining this basic common knowledge to you people.
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Re: 2020 Trade Deadline Chatter (Feb. 6 @ 2:00 PM CST)
YOu are making a mountain out of a mole hill. YOu are right, Scott and Thybulle just barely makes the 100%+$5 million lower bound. Congratulations.SO_MONEY wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:27 pmNot how it works Chief. There are restrictions placed on teams be it they are under the cap, apron or hard capped. You would only need to deal Thybulle and Scott to make a deal work between MN and PHI. I already addressed this. Way to ignore it and continue BS. We do agree on a level of valuation...there is that.mlhouse wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:18 pmReally? First, you really have no understanding of how a trade in the NBA works. Scott plus at least another player, along with Thybulle, needs to be included since both teams are above the salary cap level.
Second, Scott is just salary filler. I'm certainly not trading Robert Covington, a quality role player on a good NBA contract, for just a late first round pick. Maybe you do that, but few people would. If Thybulle isn't in the deal then I would want two first round picks.
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That is crap. It is an old wooden ship. The ship is named Please seperate words.j2j wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:51 pmDont ask why, but let's pretend you had a lot of dicks. Like 300 of them in your basement. And you needed to move them to another location. Are you going to carry them out 1 by 1? No, you're going to put them in a bag... It's exhausting explaining this basic common knowledge to you people.
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Re: 2020 Trade Deadline Chatter (Feb. 6 @ 2:00 PM CST)
Then why correct someone if you know you are wrong? And be a DICK, no, DICKBAG and tell them they don't understand or know something?mlhouse wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:00 pmYOu are making a mountain out of a mole hill. YOu are right, Scott and Thybulle just barely makes the 100%+$5 million lower bound. Congratulations.SO_MONEY wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:27 pmNot how it works Chief. There are restrictions placed on teams be it they are under the cap, apron or hard capped. You would only need to deal Thybulle and Scott to make a deal work between MN and PHI. I already addressed this. Way to ignore it and continue BS. We do agree on a level of valuation...there is that.mlhouse wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:18 pm
Really? First, you really have no understanding of how a trade in the NBA works. Scott plus at least another player, along with Thybulle, needs to be included since both teams are above the salary cap level.
Second, Scott is just salary filler. I'm certainly not trading Robert Covington, a quality role player on a good NBA contract, for just a late first round pick. Maybe you do that, but few people would. If Thybulle isn't in the deal then I would want two first round picks.
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Thank you. You've cleared things up nicely.j2j wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:51 pmDont ask why, but let's pretend you had a lot of dicks. Like 300 of them in your basement. And you needed to move them to another location. Are you going to carry them out 1 by 1? No, you're going to put them in a bag... It's exhausting explaining this basic common knowledge to you people.
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Re: 2020 Trade Deadline Chatter (Feb. 6 @ 2:00 PM CST)
Because that person I "corrected" thought we could just get a first round pick and did not understand that additional salaries needed to be included.SO_MONEY wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:09 pmThen why correct someone if you know you are wrong? And be a DICK, no, DICKBAG and tell them they don't understand or know something?mlhouse wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:00 pmYOu are making a mountain out of a mole hill. YOu are right, Scott and Thybulle just barely makes the 100%+$5 million lower bound. Congratulations.SO_MONEY wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 4:27 pm
Not how it works Chief. There are restrictions placed on teams be it they are under the cap, apron or hard capped. You would only need to deal Thybulle and Scott to make a deal work between MN and PHI. I already addressed this. Way to ignore it and continue BS. We do agree on a level of valuation...there is that.
My guess the Sixers would want to dump another player in that deal anyways, so there is also that.
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What excuse does that give you? None.mlhouse wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:12 pmBecause that person I "corrected" thought we could just get a first round pick and did not understand that additional salaries needed to be included.
My guess the Sixers would want to dump another player in that deal anyways, so there is also that.
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Re: 2020 Trade Deadline Chatter (Feb. 6 @ 2:00 PM CST)
Excuse for what, moron..... that off the top of my head I was about $1 million off on the salaries?SO_MONEY wrote: ↑Mon Jan 20, 2020 5:17 pmWhat excuse does that give you? None.