Tyus Jones 3 Years 28 Million Grizz

[j2j]

Only 9 boards a game (Westbrook is higher, right?) and 50% from the line at that price made me stay quiet, sorry. I LOVE Adams, but no.

It's tough to judge OKC rebounding. They do a lot of intentional actions to get Westbrook his rebounds. Often times you'll see guys pull back from grabbing a board if Westbrook is close. Lot of extreme boxing out just so Russ can chase it down.

The Thunder's offensive rebound percentage is a net 4.8% higher with Adams on the court and 6.1% higher on the defensive side when he's on the court. Maybe he's not getting that rebound, but clearly he makes his team rebound better.

i agree with this. russ is by design their free safety in charge of corralling rebounds and starting the break. and this isn't to downplay his contributions on the boards. i think they do this because westbrook is so quick and athletic and has a nose for the ball. he's the ideal player to do that - but it does result in some pretty heady rebounding numbers.

I surmise the mentality is Russ getting the rebound and pushing it is faster than someone else getting the rebound and trying to find Russ for an outlet then pushing it. Not sure how true that is, or if that is exactly their logic, but it fits what they do.

[j2j]

Probably not realistic, but I'm not sweating over a Woj tweet saying they're trying. Doesn't mean anything.

I'm not sweating over either -- just makes MN look dumb to the basketball world.

Woj "free agent class for summer 2020 is not good"
Woj later "MN trying to clear max cap space for 2020!"

Smart people know not to read into the tweet, who knows why he sent it.

MN has looked dumb for 30 years.

[HeHateMe]

Probably not realistic, but I'm not sweating over a Woj tweet saying they're trying. Doesn't mean anything.

I'm not sweating over either -- just makes MN look dumb to the basketball world.

Woj "free agent class for summer 2020 is not good"
Woj later "MN trying to clear max cap space for 2020!"

Smart people know not to read into the tweet, who knows why he sent it.

MN has looked dumb for 30 years.

Worst franchise in the NBA..... yep.

[Moses Scurry]

I'm not sweating over either -- just makes MN look dumb to the basketball world.

Woj "free agent class for summer 2020 is not good"
Woj later "MN trying to clear max cap space for 2020!"

Smart people know not to read into the tweet, who knows why he sent it.

MN has looked dumb for 30 years.

Worst franchise in sports.

Fixed it for ya.

[mlhouse]

It's tough to judge OKC rebounding. They do a lot of intentional actions to get Westbrook his rebounds. Often times you'll see guys pull back from grabbing a board if Westbrook is close. Lot of extreme boxing out just so Russ can chase it down.

The Thunder's offensive rebound percentage is a net 4.8% higher with Adams on the court and 6.1% higher on the defensive side when he's on the court. Maybe he's not getting that rebound, but clearly he makes his team rebound better.

i agree with this. russ is by design their free safety in charge of corralling rebounds and starting the break. and this isn't to downplay his contributions on the boards. i think they do this because westbrook is so quick and athletic and has a nose for the ball. he's the ideal player to do that - but it does result in some pretty heady rebounding numbers.

I surmise the mentality is Russ getting the rebound and pushing it is faster than someone else getting the rebound and trying to find Russ for an outlet then pushing it. Not sure how true that is, or if that is exactly their logic, but it fits what they do.

Paul George gets a lot of rebounds too. His career average is 6.4/game. Last season he had 8.2.

[irishman89]

So if they deal Russ, Adams' rebounding should theoretically jump from 9.6 to 25.5 per game haha.

[somuchyummy]

hmm idk. i'd bet hard pressed to say we're worse off at PG this season than last. i think all of us knew that derrick rose - and his occasional sterling performances - was going to be gone. i wasn't willing to pony up some $15M over two years to a guy who needed rehab time every two games plus was doing nothing towards furthering the development of his team mates. so losing rose was sort of a given.

we've still got our starter, jeff teague - for one more year unless a deal comes along. and i know you've defended teague's value here, thrill. as for jones, that's another player who i think i remember you having lost your enthusiasm for - because of the ever elusive consistent shot. so, IMO, napier for tyus is a wash. jones does some things better than napier - napier does some things (getting his own shot off) better than tyus. and he's costing far less than what apparently is needed to engage tyus' services these days.

the addition of nowell brings at least a sliver of hope that he might be able to play some point - and with it, a projected ability to knock down from long range in a way that tyus certainly never figured out. PLUS, the recent signing of wallace - if he sticks - puts a sizeable PG on our roster with serious defensive skills.

we haven't improved to the tune of darius garland - but to say we've taken a step back, i don't think so.

We have obviously taken a step back. Napier? He had like 2 months during one season and that's it. He's JJ with less ability and less conscience.

Go back and read the draft thread from like page 5. Was there ever any single time when we weren't talking exactly PF and PG. PF and PG. So fucking obvious. I mean everyone in the freakin world knew it. Did we take a PF? No we traded one and took a wing. Did we take a PG? No we took a 2 that can maybe develop into one. Then gave him 2 DNPCD's in the first 2 summer games. Then lowball Tyus and he gets a big offer that of course Taylor will not match.

Full on moron. Rosas has done exactly nothing right. Even signing Bell is a fuck up because he can't get more than one year.

what this looks like is full commitment on your part to go down the FUCK ROSAS HE'S THE REINCARNATION OF KAHN rabbit hole with full gusto. go ahead. knock yourself out. but, no, i think kahn was pretty universally thought of around the nba as a complete whack job - whereas rosas is fairly well respected. different guys entirely. when he was hired i saw exactly ZERO reports stating the rosas the idiot had pulled another fast one. most pundits (and by def, these are guys who are experts in their field of study) thought the wolves got a good guy. understand that you could possibly not always be the smartest guy in the room.

and YES - i totally agree with you that rosas botched up the saric trade!

but that does not mean that EVERY subsequent move that rosas makes is further proof of his ineptitude. suddenly you're defending tyus jones over his replacement shabbazz napier? they are different players - but COMPLETELY on the same tier of importance in terms of their nba value. so what if napier is on his 4th team! the only reason tyus isn't on his fourth team is because he was drafted as the HOME TOWN boy! you know this. any other club gets him and he'd be looking for work every summer, like napier and the rest of the backup nba scrubs. don't tell me that napier had two good months! i don't know about the two good months. but after 5 years in the league - his track record looks remarkably similar to tyus jones' track record.

napier career - 16.7 mpg over 5 years - 6.4/1.7/2.0 and .8 spg on 43%/35%/81%
jones career - 17.7 mpg over 4 years - 5.1/1.5/3.3 and 1 spg on 46%/33%/82%

we could resign one for $28M/3yrs or the other for one year at $1.8M. tell me again how horribly rosas screwed that up.

jake layman - a 19mpg performer last year on a WAY MUCH BETTER portland team, we sign for 3 years to a really reasonable contract. this is another shit move? no.

we sign jordan bell, the kind of uber athletic defensive PF you've been clamoring for FOR YEARS - and you're super pissed that rosas didn't get him on a longer contract? apparently there's zero chance of resigning him to a bigger deal next year.

rosas didn't resign rose, didn't resign taj, didn't resign tolly, didn't resign deng, didn't resign bayless - all moves that make us weaker in the short term, but stronger in the long term - and again, he's a fucking chicken with his head cut off? i applaud every one of those departures.

i can only suggest a more moderate approach. because you absolutely hated the culver thing - does not mean you are hereby REQUIRED to hate every other move our new GM makes. doing so makes it appear as though you are simply married to a scenario you've concocted - regardless of what else happens.

[UnFadeable21]

Don’t want Adams. Way overpaid and has no skills at all. Not even that great of a rebounder.

How did people just let this preposterous statement slide?

It’s because you don’t know the game. The guy has a 100 million contract.

[HeHateMe]

Per Jon K, Wolves offered Jones a four year deal starting at 4.2 mil, final year was non guaranteed.

[OliverMiller]

Per Jon K, Wolves offered Jones a four year deal starting at 4.2 mil, final year was non guaranteed.

Lol that's a little insulting

[j2j]

I'd be ok with him on that deal, not double that.

[T_J]

Per Jon K, Wolves offered Jones a four year deal starting at 4.2 mil, final year was non guaranteed.

Lol that's a little insulting

Feels like a soft breakup to me. I don't think it's insulting, both parties ultimately are probably better off.

[HeHateMe]

Per Jon K, Wolves offered Jones a four year deal starting at 4.2 mil, final year was non guaranteed.

Lol that's a little insulting

Feels like a soft breakup to me. I don't think it's insulting, both parties ultimately are probably better off.

If you go off what point guards are making, it's insulting but yeah I think both sides are better off moving on when you're that far apart.

[HeHateMe]

I'd be ok with him on that deal, not double that.

In my head, I thought he'd get 3 over 18/20 … or 2 for 13/14. The 3 for 28 did surprise me and it definitely put the Wolves in a spot where it wasn't a sure thing.

[Catalyst]

I guess what I am unhappy about is that with a bit of work last year we could have traded Tyus and gotten something instead of him going for nothing.

[jodaman01]

Per Jon K, Wolves offered Jones a four year deal starting at 4.2 mil, final year was non guaranteed.

Jesus, Tyus must have enjoyed the moment he got to tell Rosas to go fuck himself.

[Oriole81]

I guess what I am unhappy about is that with a bit of work last year we could have traded Tyus and gotten something instead of him going for nothing.

same could be said for Rose, Taj and maybe Tolly.
unfortunately lame duck GM at the time and interim head coach auditioning for full time gig, so more interest in short term vs long term.

[j2j]

Per Jon K, Wolves offered Jones a four year deal starting at 4.2 mil, final year was non guaranteed.

Jesus, Tyus must have enjoyed the moment he got to tell Rosas to go fuck himself.

And Rosas is probably stoked that Tyus found a different sucker.

[Southpaw23]

Yeah wait, like why is that bad on Wolves management?

[j2j]

If Memphis offers him $6mil/year then Rosas had a decision. It's a slightly above fair rate, he's a favorite of the homers... He either matches and is stuck with it or let's him walk and everyone hates him. But at $9mil/year it's a no brainer to help him pack his bags.

[Catalyst]

I guess what I am unhappy about is that with a bit of work last year we could have traded Tyus and gotten something instead of him going for nothing.

same could be said for Rose, Taj and maybe Tolly.
unfortunately lame duck GM at the time and interim head coach auditioning for full time gig, so more interest in short term vs long term.

Just another gift from the Thibs FO. The gift that keeps on taking. I can't believe how happy most of us were to get him here. I really believe he screwed us nearly as much as Kahn.

[mlhouse]

I guess what I am unhappy about is that with a bit of work last year we could have traded Tyus and gotten something instead of him going for nothing.

same could be said for Rose, Taj and maybe Tolly.
unfortunately lame duck GM at the time and interim head coach auditioning for full time gig, so more interest in short term vs long term.

Just another gift from the Thibs FO. The gift that keeps on taking. I can't believe how happy most of us were to get him here. I really believe he screwed us nearly as much as Kahn.

Two more years of Dieng!!!

[somuchyummy]

Per Jon K, Wolves offered Jones a four year deal starting at 4.2 mil, final year was non guaranteed.

Lol that's a little insulting

no. it's a fair offer for a guy who never figured out how to shoot.

[qrocks]

same could be said for Rose, Taj and maybe Tolly.
unfortunately lame duck GM at the time and interim head coach auditioning for full time gig, so more interest in short term vs long term.

Just another gift from the Thibs FO. The gift that keeps on taking. I can't believe how happy most of us were to get him here. I really believe he screwed us nearly as much as Kahn.

Two more years of Dieng!!!

We could have easily had Steph Curry had Kahn just made a correct pick. Thibs tenure is turning out to be extremely horrible for the Wolves. I don't think Thibs is going to overtake Kahn as worstest GM ever!

[mlhouse]

Just another gift from the Thibs FO. The gift that keeps on taking. I can't believe how happy most of us were to get him here. I really believe he screwed us nearly as much as Kahn.

Two more years of Dieng!!!

We could have easily had Steph Curry had Kahn just made a correct pick. Thibs tenure is turning out to be extremely horrible for the Wolves. I don't think Thibs is going to overtake Kahn as worstest GM ever!

I agree.

Kahn was so bad that every single one of his decisions was the absolute worse it could be. I have often said, and it is true, that if you would have picked any random Rube from Rubechat, they would have done a much better job than Kahn and it would not have been close. Like everyone, the random Rube would have made some mistakes. Like I might have passed on Curry (and does Curry become the player he is today in MN were 3 point shots were frowned on), but I would not have been perfect like Kahn. Even more important, there are few Rubes that would have acted as clownish as Kahn

[SO_MONEY]

Per Jon K, Wolves offered Jones a four year deal starting at 4.2 mil, final year was non guaranteed.

Lol that's a little insulting

Not really. That is in the range of what I think he is worth. He just was offered more by another team. None of it is personal.

[Machine2020]

I guess what I am unhappy about is that with a bit of work last year we could have traded Tyus and gotten something instead of him going for nothing.

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I love Tyus but I just can't get too sad at that salary. I love that Rosas is going big and trying to reset this Thibs-Layden mess.

[Machine2020]

Per Jon K, Wolves offered Jones a four year deal starting at 4.2 mil, final year was non guaranteed.

Lol that's a little insulting

no. it's a fair offer for a guy who never figured out how to shoot.

THIS

[Thrillkill]

Lol that's a little insulting

no. it's a fair offer for a guy who never figured out how to shoot.

THIS

Every backup PG has a flaw or they'd be starting. Fact is he was solid. A good backup who had a chance to get better with some work on his shooting. That gets you at minimum 6-8 mil in the NBA. I said I'd probably match up to 3 years 20 mil if we couldn't find an alternative. I assume he would have taken an offer like that from us. But we pissed him off and he gone and we also have no backup plan for our missing backup. Anyone who thinks that it's Napier might want to compare his and Tyus career shooting stats.

[Catalyst]

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