Mplsfonz wrote: ↑Tue Dec 12, 2023 1:50 pm
Yeah, then he loses effectiveness. You wouldn't have to guard him in the paint. Lets hope he becomes more than a $50 million dollar shooter.
I hope you're right, and he ages well. I won't be terribly upset if he's traded this offseason depending on how this season plays out. Get a good deal for him while we can.
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He can post up and pick and roll/pop too.
His post game is iffy IMHO. The pick and pop he does well, but if he doesn't roll then he's not going to be guarded. Going to the basket is where he picks up the stupid fouls. Don't get me wrong, don't just dump him, but he needs to step up when Ant is out of the game. Flailing on the way to the basket is not effort. Stay under control, make solid decisions. And please stop trying the over the head passes.
I draw a distinction between rolling on the pick and roll and driving off the dribble. I think they’re different skillsets. I would expect him to continue to roll, pop, post up, cut, run the floor in transition, hit trailing 3s in transition, and spot up. Plenty of options for offense if the dribble-drive game is reduced.
I thought he gave the Wolves a chance to win yesterday and has carried the team to victories with Edwards out. Guys just didn’t hit shots around him and he started to press. You’ve got to hit shots or teams can swarm him. That’s what happened. We didn’t hit shots.
“When stupidity is considered patriotism, it is unsafe to be intelligent.”
i don't really care what rudy's stats are. i just want him on the court in the last six minutes of the 4th quarter with at least two fouls to give. last night he only had one foul to give--but it wasn't a clutch time game either.
weimy froob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 9:21 am
i don't really care what rudy's stats are. i just want him on the court in the last six minutes of the 4th quarter with at least two fouls to give. last night he only had one foul to give--but it wasn't a clutch time game either.
Yep - One needs to use the eye test vs. the stat sheet to really appreciate what Gobert brings to the table.
weimy froob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 9:21 am
i don't really care what rudy's stats are. i just want him on the court in the last six minutes of the 4th quarter with at least two fouls to give. last night he only had one foul to give--but it wasn't a clutch time game either.
Yep - One needs to use the eye test vs. the stat sheet to really appreciate what Gobert brings to the table.
He is definitely a guy for whom it’s hard to quantify his contributions.
I think there will be big games where Rudy has his stamp all over it, even without a monstrous statline. But there will also be games where, due to matchups or whatever, that it’s not his night. And we have Towns and Reid for those nights.
That’s the real beauty of this team. So versatile. I want Finchy at the controls of that and the players need to buy into it as well. Any player on the team might find themselves on the pine in crunch time, if the game warrants it. And I think so long as we’re getting Ws, they’ll accept it.
“When stupidity is considered patriotism, it is unsafe to be intelligent.”
weimy froob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 9:21 am
i don't really care what rudy's stats are. i just want him on the court in the last six minutes of the 4th quarter with at least two fouls to give. last night he only had one foul to give--but it wasn't a clutch time game either.
Yep - One needs to use the eye test vs. the stat sheet to really appreciate what Gobert brings to the table.
As someone who doesn't get a chance to see many NBA games, I would love for some of you guys to break down what exactly this means when compared to what Kessler is doing in Utah.
What I see from Kessler's boxscore last night is 10 pts, 10 boards, 4 assists, 7 blocks and +23.
How much of the hidden stuff that Rudy does that doesn't show up in the boxscore actually exists vs what Kessler would provide?
I get that it can't necessarily be quantified, but how significant of a difference are we really talking about here?
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weimy froob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 9:21 am
i don't really care what rudy's stats are. i just want him on the court in the last six minutes of the 4th quarter with at least two fouls to give. last night he only had one foul to give--but it wasn't a clutch time game either.
Yep - One needs to use the eye test vs. the stat sheet to really appreciate what Gobert brings to the table.
He is definitely a guy for whom it’s hard to quantify his contributions.
I think there will be big games where Rudy has his stamp all over it, even without a monstrous statline. But there will also be games where, due to matchups or whatever, that it’s not his night. And we have Towns and Reid for those nights.
That’s the real beauty of this team. So versatile. I want Finchy at the controls of that and the players need to buy into it as well. Any player on the team might find themselves on the pine in crunch time, if the game warrants it. And I think so long as we’re getting Ws, they’ll accept it.
As an outsider looking in, it appears & sounds like these players all have each other's backs. Plus, as Naz Reid pointed out the other week, they are all paid and don't have to worry about their next contract. Not having players that are needing to get the minutes and opportunities to raise their personal stock in order to maximize an upcoming contract is a part that I wasn't appreciating until Naz brought that up in a post game interview.
I see a player like Rudy being absolutely A-OK sitting on a night when the defense is playing strong without him and Naz is on fire. I see Ant being just has animated watching Conley be the one who hit the dagger late in the game last night than he would have been if it was him who did it. I see Kyle Anderson having absolutely no problem having his minutes reduced now that they're at full strength and TBJ has shown he needs to be on the floor. It's been a beautiful thing.
weimy froob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 9:21 am
i don't really care what rudy's stats are. i just want him on the court in the last six minutes of the 4th quarter with at least two fouls to give. last night he only had one foul to give--but it wasn't a clutch time game either.
Yep - One needs to use the eye test vs. the stat sheet to really appreciate what Gobert brings to the table.
As someone who doesn't get a chance to see many NBA games, I would love for some of you guys to break down what exactly this means when compared to what Kessler is doing in Utah.
What I see from Kessler's boxscore last night is 10 pts, 10 boards, 4 assists, 7 blocks and +23.
How much of the hidden stuff that Rudy does that doesn't show up in the boxscore actually exists vs what Kessler would provide?
I get that it can't necessarily be quantified, but how significant of a difference are we really talking about here?
that's a very good stat line. if he brings that every night he's doing his job quite well. rudy's influencing games with shots not taken, shots altered and being in the other team's collective heads when they're in their half court offense. can't say that utah fans are going to be all that disappointed when they get games like that from their big guy though.
Yep - One needs to use the eye test vs. the stat sheet to really appreciate what Gobert brings to the table.
He is definitely a guy for whom it’s hard to quantify his contributions.
I think there will be big games where Rudy has his stamp all over it, even without a monstrous statline. But there will also be games where, due to matchups or whatever, that it’s not his night. And we have Towns and Reid for those nights.
That’s the real beauty of this team. So versatile. I want Finchy at the controls of that and the players need to buy into it as well. Any player on the team might find themselves on the pine in crunch time, if the game warrants it. And I think so long as we’re getting Ws, they’ll accept it.
As an outsider looking in, it appears & sounds like these players all have each other's backs. Plus, as Naz Reid pointed out the other week, they are all paid and don't have to worry about their next contract. Not having players that are needing to get the minutes and opportunities to raise their personal stock in order to maximize an upcoming contract is a part that I wasn't appreciating until Naz brought that up in a post game interview.
I see a player like Rudy being absolutely A-OK sitting on a night when the defense is playing strong without him and Naz is on fire. I see Ant being just has animated watching Conley be the one who hit the dagger late in the game last night than he would have been if it was him who did it. I see Kyle Anderson having absolutely no problem having his minutes reduced now that they're at full strength and TBJ has shown he needs to be on the floor. It's been a beautiful thing.
I hadn’t considered the contract angle, but it’s a good one. Everyone on the team is fairly compensated. There’s no stud on a rookie deal waiting for security. There’s no dinosaur on a massive legacy contract not pulling their own weight.
It’s a good thing right now.
“When stupidity is considered patriotism, it is unsafe to be intelligent.”
weimy froob wrote: ↑Fri Dec 15, 2023 9:21 am
i don't really care what rudy's stats are. i just want him on the court in the last six minutes of the 4th quarter with at least two fouls to give. last night he only had one foul to give--but it wasn't a clutch time game either.
Yep - One needs to use the eye test vs. the stat sheet to really appreciate what Gobert brings to the table.
He is definitely a guy for whom it’s hard to quantify his contributions.
I think there will be big games where Rudy has his stamp all over it, even without a monstrous statline. But there will also be games where, due to matchups or whatever, that it’s not his night. And we have Towns and Reid for those nights.
That’s the real beauty of this team. So versatile. I want Finchy at the controls of that and the players need to buy into it as well. Any player on the team might find themselves on the pine in crunch time, if the game warrants it. And I think so long as we’re getting Ws, they’ll accept it.
January of last season, Charles Barkley called the Wolves trade for Rudy Gobert the worst trade in NBA history and a stupid trade.
Has he made any kind of comment on it this season?
Yep - One needs to use the eye test vs. the stat sheet to really appreciate what Gobert brings to the table.
He is definitely a guy for whom it’s hard to quantify his contributions.
I think there will be big games where Rudy has his stamp all over it, even without a monstrous statline. But there will also be games where, due to matchups or whatever, that it’s not his night. And we have Towns and Reid for those nights.
That’s the real beauty of this team. So versatile. I want Finchy at the controls of that and the players need to buy into it as well. Any player on the team might find themselves on the pine in crunch time, if the game warrants it. And I think so long as we’re getting Ws, they’ll accept it.
January of last season, Charles Barkley called the Wolves trade for Rudy Gobert the worst trade in NBA history and a stupid trade.
Has he made any kind of comment on it this season?
No idea. Barkley is entertaining, but his takes are all over the place.
“When stupidity is considered patriotism, it is unsafe to be intelligent.”
He is definitely a guy for whom it’s hard to quantify his contributions.
I think there will be big games where Rudy has his stamp all over it, even without a monstrous statline. But there will also be games where, due to matchups or whatever, that it’s not his night. And we have Towns and Reid for those nights.
That’s the real beauty of this team. So versatile. I want Finchy at the controls of that and the players need to buy into it as well. Any player on the team might find themselves on the pine in crunch time, if the game warrants it. And I think so long as we’re getting Ws, they’ll accept it.
January of last season, Charles Barkley called the Wolves trade for Rudy Gobert the worst trade in NBA history and a stupid trade.
Has he made any kind of comment on it this season?
No idea. Barkley is entertaining, but his takes are all over the place.
I’m a big Barkley fan. And it doesn’t bother me when he talks negatively about the Wolves. He’s very entertaining.
January of last season, Charles Barkley called the Wolves trade for Rudy Gobert the worst trade in NBA history and a stupid trade.
Has he made any kind of comment on it this season?
No idea. Barkley is entertaining, but his takes are all over the place.
I’m a big Barkley fan. And it doesn’t bother me when he talks negatively about the Wolves. He’s very entertaining.
Agreed. He’s a force of nature to be appreciated.
“When stupidity is considered patriotism, it is unsafe to be intelligent.”
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I wonder how many players have not been an all star and ended up getting on the MVP ballot. Feels like Gobert could have a couple 5th place votes by season’s end, and he isn’t an all star.
weimy froob wrote: ↑Tue Feb 13, 2024 3:46 pm
lulz.
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I wonder how many players have not been an all star and ended up getting on the MVP ballot. Feels like Gobert could have a couple 5th place votes by season’s end, and he isn’t an all star.
I love this guy.
It's been 32 years since one of MN's four major sports teams has been to the Championship/Superbowl.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
this whole latest player induced kerfluffle about Rudy is just weird - and maybe a reflection of a baseline IQ level around the league. how do you NOT give Rudy his props when he anchors one of the best defensive teams the league has seen in years? Especially after opposing coaches and players rave about how hard it is to score on us - and Rudy - after playing us?
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Rudy doesn't ummm make da buckets derefore he suuuuucks dur dur dur.
It's been 32 years since one of MN's four major sports teams has been to the Championship/Superbowl.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
salamander wrote: ↑Tue Apr 23, 2024 3:49 pm
Rudy doesn't ummm make da buckets derefore he suuuuucks dur dur dur.
I mean, some of these guys should figure it out. Most of them can't score at a 25+ per game clip and make the top tier star money. Rudy focuses on defense and pulls in a nice 40+ million a season.
