not nowHoop Dreams wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:36 pm I find it interesting that Daniels agreed to meet with Minnesota this late in the process. Seems like Daniels to Washington is pretty much a lock.
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D_H wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:23 amnot nowHoop Dreams wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:36 pm I find it interesting that Daniels agreed to meet with Minnesota this late in the process. Seems like Daniels to Washington is pretty much a lock.
They didn't feed Jayden? They must really like him!
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Hopefully they at least fed themselves down there.Señor Trumpo wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:59 amD_H wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 9:23 amnot nowHoop Dreams wrote: ↑Thu Apr 18, 2024 5:36 pm I find it interesting that Daniels agreed to meet with Minnesota this late in the process. Seems like Daniels to Washington is pretty much a lock.
They didn't feed Jayden? They must really like him!
It would be a shame to go all the way down to Louisiana and not partake in the local cuisine.
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Popeye’s is overratedOriole81 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:06 amHopefully they at least fed themselves down there.
It would be a shame to go all the way down to Louisiana and not partake in the local cuisine.
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That would be such a Minnesotan thing to do.
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I'd get some blackened catfish, red beans with rice, jambalaya or gumbo and some chocolate beignets for dessert!Oriole81 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:06 amHopefully they at least fed themselves down there.
It would be a shame to go all the way down to Louisiana and not partake in the local cuisine.
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platter of fried chicken too for the table to share, and add some pecan pie to that dessert order toominnemike wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:30 amI'd get some blackened catfish, red beans with rice, jambalaya or gumbo and some chocolate beignets for dessert!
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It’s either Maye or Daniels for us. If the rumors are true he doesn’t want to go to Washington — go after JD!!!!
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If this whole "drama" is because Washington had the "audacity" to ask that Jayden comes in with others to do a group interview, then that's the ultimate bitch move.
Washington is a great situation, and if you're too spoiled and sensitive to see that, then you fucking deserve whatever you get in NE, because that's set up way worse for you.
Washington is a great situation, and if you're too spoiled and sensitive to see that, then you fucking deserve whatever you get in NE, because that's set up way worse for you.
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Why is Washington a great situation? Dan Quinn isn’t a good coach and Kingsbury is shit. Their oline isn’t very good either.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:06 am If this whole "drama" is because Washington had the "audacity" to ask that Jayden comes in with others to do a group interview, then that's the ultimate bitch move.
Washington is a great situation, and if you're too spoiled and sensitive to see that, then you fucking deserve whatever you get in NE, because that's set up way worse for you.
Is better than NE? Sure, I can see that. But there’s better options out there. Maybe Jaden has been listening to the pundits they talk about how good another situation is for a rookie QB and how that team is actively trying to move up.
Either way, there’s still six days left and I doubt it’s set in stone that he won’t play there. Another sit down to clear the air is what is needed.
Guess we’ll find out.
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Fit doesnt really matter when 6 days from now. Unless they trade out, the bad teams get to pick their preferred player amongst who is available. Daniels should be the 2nd player picked. Right now that team is the CommanderSkins.Beetlejuice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:45 pmWhy is Washington a great situation? Dan Quinn isn’t a good coach and Kingsbury is shit. Their oline isn’t very good either.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:06 am If this whole "drama" is because Washington had the "audacity" to ask that Jayden comes in with others to do a group interview, then that's the ultimate bitch move.
Washington is a great situation, and if you're too spoiled and sensitive to see that, then you fucking deserve whatever you get in NE, because that's set up way worse for you.
Is better than NE? Sure, I can see that. But there’s better options out there. Maybe Jaden has been listening to the pundits they talk about how good another situation is for a rookie QB and how that team is actively trying to move up.
Either way, there’s still six days left and I doubt it’s set in stone that he won’t play there. Another sit down to clear the air is what is needed.
Guess we’ll find out.
AS far as fit, if Jayden Daniels is your selection, YOU MAKE YOUR FUCKING OFFENSE FIT HIM. Maybe you hire James Urban as your offensive coordinator (he was QB coach in Baltimore for Lamar Jackson 2018-2022. Maybe if you are really smart you don't hire an old school dCoordiantor as your head coach.
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I agree. Better than NE. Not fantastic, but if you want to be a top pick, you shouldn’t expect to go to a perfect roster. Perfect rosters seldom get top picks.Beetlejuice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:45 pmWhy is Washington a great situation? Dan Quinn isn’t a good coach and Kingsbury is shit. Their oline isn’t very good either.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:06 am If this whole "drama" is because Washington had the "audacity" to ask that Jayden comes in with others to do a group interview, then that's the ultimate bitch move.
Washington is a great situation, and if you're too spoiled and sensitive to see that, then you fucking deserve whatever you get in NE, because that's set up way worse for you.
Is better than NE? Sure, I can see that. But there’s better options out there. Maybe Jaden has been listening to the pundits they talk about how good another situation is for a rookie QB and how that team is actively trying to move up.
Either way, there’s still six days left and I doubt it’s set in stone that he won’t play there. Another sit down to clear the air is what is needed.
Guess we’ll find out.
But being the star QB who brings Washington back to relevance (remember, Snyder is gone) makes you a legend. It’s not a perfect situation, but it’s a perfect opportunity. You could go to New England and win 2 super bowls and be a disappointment. Win one in Washington (or Minnesota!) and you go down in history. If a conversation can’t fix this, then I wouldn’t want Daniels either.
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I’m extremely confident Kevin O’Connell is not that stupid. He and the entire front office would be out of a job in two years if they draft that scrub. Not happening. JJ McCarthy was considered a second or third round pick before the national championship game and played like shit in the national championship game. As a matter fact, the coaching staff tried to hide him and didn’t let him pass. Lol. The hype is not coming from an NFL people. The hype is coming from people that do mock drafts. Lol. You know the same people that hyped up with Levis, AJ McCarron, Mac Jones, Zach Wilson, Joey Harrington, etc.. lol
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Maybe a simple Po-Boy or Mufuletta sandwich if they’re doing Louisiana style Cajun or Creole food.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 10:36 amplatter of fried chicken too for the table to share, and add some pecan pie to that dessert order too
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Quinn is a good coach, the guy did make a SB and had a QB win the MVP. I know Shanahan was the OC, but Quinn still gets credit for fostering an environment where the offense can still shine and do their thing. That matters, and he’ll do the same thing in Wash.Beetlejuice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:45 pmWhy is Washington a great situation? Dan Quinn isn’t a good coach and Kingsbury is shit. Their oline isn’t very good either.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:06 am If this whole "drama" is because Washington had the "audacity" to ask that Jayden comes in with others to do a group interview, then that's the ultimate bitch move.
Washington is a great situation, and if you're too spoiled and sensitive to see that, then you fucking deserve whatever you get in NE, because that's set up way worse for you.
Is better than NE? Sure, I can see that. But there’s better options out there. Maybe Jaden has been listening to the pundits they talk about how good another situation is for a rookie QB and how that team is actively trying to move up.
Either way, there’s still six days left and I doubt it’s set in stone that he won’t play there. Another sit down to clear the air is what is needed.
Guess we’ll find out.
Kings bury is a good developer. He may not be a great head coach, but he’s done good things for a lot of QBs very similar to Daniels. Kyler Murray is going to make over $100M after working under Kingsbury.
They already have one great WR in McLaurin signed long term, and another 1st rd WR in Dotson. That’s way more offensive weapons than most rookie QBs get.
They’ve got two stud DL in Allen and Payne signed long term, two first round rookie scale defenders in Davis and Forbes, and they just signed Armstrong from the Cowboys for over $10M per season. That’s the building blocks of a nice young defense, and having a nice defense is a great friend to a young QB because it takes the pressure off.
They have two addl 2nd rd picks this year, as well as three 3rds. They also have a TON of cap space over the next few years to quickly supplement the roster.
They’re a premier franchise with great exposure and great fans, so he can easily profit on his successes.
That’s WAY more than most young guys can expect when they’re getting drafted #2 overall.
It may not be the best ever, but it’s also not supposed to be. The whole point of the draft is to ensure parity for the league as a whole, not to have any random individual person grease their way to the best situation possible.
Now it’s one thing to say that your career can be greatly impacted by going to a team that doesn’t know what they’re doing, but that’s not this case. In fact, it’s not most cases.
But it’s supposed to be your job to eventually raise the team up to its zenith, not the team’s job to audition for your services.
Any attempts at this shit need to be nipped in the bud. I don’t think that’s what is going on here with Jayden, but if so then that would be what he needs to hear.
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The two most famous cases of a player telling a team “I won’t play for you” are John Elway 41 years ago and Eli manning 20 years ago. I’m sure there have been others (Bo Jackson, iirc) and I’m sure there have been some in other sports (Eric Lindross in the NHL; Steph Curry in the NBA).Oriole81 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:13 pmQuinn is a good coach, the guy did make a SB and had a QB win the MVP. I know Shanahan was the OC, but Quinn still gets credit for fostering an environment where the offense can still shine and do their thing. That matters, and he’ll do the same thing in Wash.Beetlejuice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:45 pmWhy is Washington a great situation? Dan Quinn isn’t a good coach and Kingsbury is shit. Their oline isn’t very good either.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:06 am If this whole "drama" is because Washington had the "audacity" to ask that Jayden comes in with others to do a group interview, then that's the ultimate bitch move.
Washington is a great situation, and if you're too spoiled and sensitive to see that, then you fucking deserve whatever you get in NE, because that's set up way worse for you.
Is better than NE? Sure, I can see that. But there’s better options out there. Maybe Jaden has been listening to the pundits they talk about how good another situation is for a rookie QB and how that team is actively trying to move up.
Either way, there’s still six days left and I doubt it’s set in stone that he won’t play there. Another sit down to clear the air is what is needed.
Guess we’ll find out.
Kings bury is a good developer. He may not be a great head coach, but he’s done good things for a lot of QBs very similar to Daniels. Kyler Murray is going to make over $100M after working under Kingsbury.
They already have one great WR in McLaurin signed long term, and another 1st rd WR in Dotson. That’s way more offensive weapons than most rookie QBs get.
They’ve got two stud DL in Allen and Payne signed long term, two first round rookie scale defenders in Davis and Forbes, and they just signed Armstrong from the Cowboys for over $10M per season. That’s the building blocks of a nice young defense, and having a nice defense is a great friend to a young QB because it takes the pressure off.
They have two addl 2nd rd picks this year, as well as three 3rds. They also have a TON of cap space over the next few years to quickly supplement the roster.
They’re a premier franchise with great exposure and great fans, so he can easily profit on his successes.
That’s WAY more than most young guys can expect when they’re getting drafted #2 overall.
It may not be the best ever, but it’s also not supposed to be. The whole point of the draft is to ensure parity for the league as a whole, not to have any random individual person grease their way to the best situation possible.
Now it’s one thing to say that your career can be greatly impacted by going to a team that doesn’t know what they’re doing, but that’s not this case. In fact, it’s not most cases.
But it’s supposed to be your job to eventually raise the team up to its zenith, not the team’s job to audition for your services.
Any attempts at this shit need to be nipped in the bud. I don’t think that’s what is going on here with Jayden, but if so then that would be what he needs to hear.
So I can only imagine that’s the tip of the iceberg. It doesn’t benefit either side to admit this. Both the team and player look bad. The team might have some incentive to leak it to justify trading away or passing on a hot prospect, but it also makes them look weak and is embarrassing. For the player, it’s just a bad, petulant, entitled look. So I imagine it happens a lot more than we’re aware of. I think it’s the dirty secret of draft day. It’s the hidden calculus that teams have to do that fans and “experts” are not privy to.
I’m just guessing at all this, but I bet it happens more often than we realize.
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Aaaand on that note:
It’s just a rumor account, and it was “wants to play” for team A, not “refuses to play” for team B, but still…
It’s just a rumor account, and it was “wants to play” for team A, not “refuses to play” for team B, but still…
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Oriole81 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:13 pmQuinn is a good coach, the guy did make a SB and had a QB win the MVP. I know Shanahan was the OC, but Quinn still gets credit for fostering an environment where the offense can still shine and do their thing. That matters, and he’ll do the same thing in Wash.Beetlejuice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:45 pmWhy is Washington a great situation? Dan Quinn isn’t a good coach and Kingsbury is shit. Their oline isn’t very good either.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:06 am If this whole "drama" is because Washington had the "audacity" to ask that Jayden comes in with others to do a group interview, then that's the ultimate bitch move.
Washington is a great situation, and if you're too spoiled and sensitive to see that, then you fucking deserve whatever you get in NE, because that's set up way worse for you.
Is better than NE? Sure, I can see that. But there’s better options out there. Maybe Jaden has been listening to the pundits they talk about how good another situation is for a rookie QB and how that team is actively trying to move up.
Either way, there’s still six days left and I doubt it’s set in stone that he won’t play there. Another sit down to clear the air is what is needed.
Guess we’ll find out.
Kings bury is a good developer. He may not be a great head coach, but he’s done good things for a lot of QBs very similar to Daniels. Kyler Murray is going to make over $100M after working under Kingsbury.
They already have one great WR in McLaurin signed long term, and another 1st rd WR in Dotson. That’s way more offensive weapons than most rookie QBs get.
They’ve got two stud DL in Allen and Payne signed long term, two first round rookie scale defenders in Davis and Forbes, and they just signed Armstrong from the Cowboys for over $10M per season. That’s the building blocks of a nice young defense, and having a nice defense is a great friend to a young QB because it takes the pressure off.
They have two addl 2nd rd picks this year, as well as three 3rds. They also have a TON of cap space over the next few years to quickly supplement the roster.
They’re a premier franchise with great exposure and great fans, so he can easily profit on his successes.
That’s WAY more than most young guys can expect when they’re getting drafted #2 overall.
It may not be the best ever, but it’s also not supposed to be. The whole point of the draft is to ensure parity for the league as a whole, not to have any random individual person grease their way to the best situation possible.
Now it’s one thing to say that your career can be greatly impacted by going to a team that doesn’t know what they’re doing, but that’s not this case. In fact, it’s not most cases.
But it’s supposed to be your job to eventually raise the team up to its zenith, not the team’s job to audition for your services.
Any attempts at this shit need to be nipped in the bud. I don’t think that’s what is going on here with Jayden, but if so then that would be what he needs to hear.
According to Schefter anyway, Daniels will play where he is drafted.
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Getting more and more bitter as destiny inches closer. "With that #4 pick, the Minnesota Vikings select JJ McCarthy, QB, Michigan."D_H wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:40 pmI’m extremely confident Kevin O’Connell is not that stupid. He and the entire front office would be out of a job in two years if they draft that scrub. Not happening. JJ McCarthy was considered a second or third round pick before the national championship game and played like shit in the national championship game. As a matter fact, the coaching staff tried to hide him and didn’t let him pass. Lol. The hype is not coming from an NFL people. The hype is coming from people that do mock drafts. Lol. You know the same people that hyped up with Levis, AJ McCarron, Mac Jones, Zach Wilson, Joey Harrington, etc.. lol
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If they trade to get JJ I will give up my 52 years of supporting and hoping for a Super Bowl victory and be a bandwagon supporter of every good team each year except the Cowboys and those in the division.William Munny wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:56 pmGetting more and more bitter as destiny inches closer. "With that #4 pick, the Minnesota Vikings select JJ McCarthy, QB, Michigan."D_H wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:40 pmI’m extremely confident Kevin O’Connell is not that stupid. He and the entire front office would be out of a job in two years if they draft that scrub. Not happening. JJ McCarthy was considered a second or third round pick before the national championship game and played like shit in the national championship game. As a matter fact, the coaching staff tried to hide him and didn’t let him pass. Lol. The hype is not coming from an NFL people. The hype is coming from people that do mock drafts. Lol. You know the same people that hyped up with Levis, AJ McCarron, Mac Jones, Zach Wilson, Joey Harrington, etc.. lol
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I guess we will have to agree to disagree. I think Washington isn’t as good as you believe, but that’s fine. They have some pieces, but they need a lot more. They won’t be an overnight success story next year and I have serious doubts about Kingsbury.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:13 pmQuinn is a good coach, the guy did make a SB and had a QB win the MVP. I know Shanahan was the OC, but Quinn still gets credit for fostering an environment where the offense can still shine and do their thing. That matters, and he’ll do the same thing in Wash.Beetlejuice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:45 pmWhy is Washington a great situation? Dan Quinn isn’t a good coach and Kingsbury is shit. Their oline isn’t very good either.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 11:06 am If this whole "drama" is because Washington had the "audacity" to ask that Jayden comes in with others to do a group interview, then that's the ultimate bitch move.
Washington is a great situation, and if you're too spoiled and sensitive to see that, then you fucking deserve whatever you get in NE, because that's set up way worse for you.
Is better than NE? Sure, I can see that. But there’s better options out there. Maybe Jaden has been listening to the pundits they talk about how good another situation is for a rookie QB and how that team is actively trying to move up.
Either way, there’s still six days left and I doubt it’s set in stone that he won’t play there. Another sit down to clear the air is what is needed.
Guess we’ll find out.
Kings bury is a good developer. He may not be a great head coach, but he’s done good things for a lot of QBs very similar to Daniels. Kyler Murray is going to make over $100M after working under Kingsbury.
They already have one great WR in McLaurin signed long term, and another 1st rd WR in Dotson. That’s way more offensive weapons than most rookie QBs get.
They’ve got two stud DL in Allen and Payne signed long term, two first round rookie scale defenders in Davis and Forbes, and they just signed Armstrong from the Cowboys for over $10M per season. That’s the building blocks of a nice young defense, and having a nice defense is a great friend to a young QB because it takes the pressure off.
They have two addl 2nd rd picks this year, as well as three 3rds. They also have a TON of cap space over the next few years to quickly supplement the roster.
They’re a premier franchise with great exposure and great fans, so he can easily profit on his successes.
That’s WAY more than most young guys can expect when they’re getting drafted #2 overall.
It may not be the best ever, but it’s also not supposed to be. The whole point of the draft is to ensure parity for the league as a whole, not to have any random individual person grease their way to the best situation possible.
Now it’s one thing to say that your career can be greatly impacted by going to a team that doesn’t know what they’re doing, but that’s not this case. In fact, it’s not most cases.
But it’s supposed to be your job to eventually raise the team up to its zenith, not the team’s job to audition for your services.
Any attempts at this shit need to be nipped in the bud. I don’t think that’s what is going on here with Jayden, but if so then that would be what he needs to hear.
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The media doesn’t help either. It’s fun for them to try and manufacture stories like this because it’s free content for them, knowing full well that they won’t be held accountable if they “interpret correctly.Beef Supreme wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:36 pmThe two most famous cases of a player telling a team “I won’t play for you” are John Elway 41 years ago and Eli manning 20 years ago. I’m sure there have been others (Bo Jackson, iirc) and I’m sure there have been some in other sports (Eric Lindross in the NHL; Steph Curry in the NBA).Oriole81 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:13 pmQuinn is a good coach, the guy did make a SB and had a QB win the MVP. I know Shanahan was the OC, but Quinn still gets credit for fostering an environment where the offense can still shine and do their thing. That matters, and he’ll do the same thing in Wash.Beetlejuice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:45 pm
Why is Washington a great situation? Dan Quinn isn’t a good coach and Kingsbury is shit. Their oline isn’t very good either.
Is better than NE? Sure, I can see that. But there’s better options out there. Maybe Jaden has been listening to the pundits they talk about how good another situation is for a rookie QB and how that team is actively trying to move up.
Either way, there’s still six days left and I doubt it’s set in stone that he won’t play there. Another sit down to clear the air is what is needed.
Guess we’ll find out.
Kings bury is a good developer. He may not be a great head coach, but he’s done good things for a lot of QBs very similar to Daniels. Kyler Murray is going to make over $100M after working under Kingsbury.
They already have one great WR in McLaurin signed long term, and another 1st rd WR in Dotson. That’s way more offensive weapons than most rookie QBs get.
They’ve got two stud DL in Allen and Payne signed long term, two first round rookie scale defenders in Davis and Forbes, and they just signed Armstrong from the Cowboys for over $10M per season. That’s the building blocks of a nice young defense, and having a nice defense is a great friend to a young QB because it takes the pressure off.
They have two addl 2nd rd picks this year, as well as three 3rds. They also have a TON of cap space over the next few years to quickly supplement the roster.
They’re a premier franchise with great exposure and great fans, so he can easily profit on his successes.
That’s WAY more than most young guys can expect when they’re getting drafted #2 overall.
It may not be the best ever, but it’s also not supposed to be. The whole point of the draft is to ensure parity for the league as a whole, not to have any random individual person grease their way to the best situation possible.
Now it’s one thing to say that your career can be greatly impacted by going to a team that doesn’t know what they’re doing, but that’s not this case. In fact, it’s not most cases.
But it’s supposed to be your job to eventually raise the team up to its zenith, not the team’s job to audition for your services.
Any attempts at this shit need to be nipped in the bud. I don’t think that’s what is going on here with Jayden, but if so then that would be what he needs to hear.
So I can only imagine that’s the tip of the iceberg. It doesn’t benefit either side to admit this. Both the team and player look bad. The team might have some incentive to leak it to justify trading away or passing on a hot prospect, but it also makes them look weak and is embarrassing. For the player, it’s just a bad, petulant, entitled look. So I imagine it happens a lot more than we’re aware of. I think it’s the dirty secret of draft day. It’s the hidden calculus that teams have to do that fans and “experts” are not privy to.
I’m just guessing at all this, but I bet it happens more often than we realize.
That’s why we should still be cautious about labeling these guys’ character.
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J Havlicek, M Ginobili, M Richmond
D Wilkins, B Bowen
T Duncan, B McAdoo
H Olajuwon, W Unseld, A Sabonis
A Iverson, K Irving
J Havlicek, M Ginobili, M Richmond
D Wilkins, B Bowen
T Duncan, B McAdoo
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Re: J. Daniels
I didn’t say overnight, but in a few years for sure.Beetlejuice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 7:22 pmI guess we will have to agree to disagree. I think Washington isn’t as good as you believe, but that’s fine. They have some pieces, but they need a lot more. They won’t be an overnight success story next year and I have serious doubts about Kingsbury.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:13 pmQuinn is a good coach, the guy did make a SB and had a QB win the MVP. I know Shanahan was the OC, but Quinn still gets credit for fostering an environment where the offense can still shine and do their thing. That matters, and he’ll do the same thing in Wash.Beetlejuice wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 3:45 pm
Why is Washington a great situation? Dan Quinn isn’t a good coach and Kingsbury is shit. Their oline isn’t very good either.
Is better than NE? Sure, I can see that. But there’s better options out there. Maybe Jaden has been listening to the pundits they talk about how good another situation is for a rookie QB and how that team is actively trying to move up.
Either way, there’s still six days left and I doubt it’s set in stone that he won’t play there. Another sit down to clear the air is what is needed.
Guess we’ll find out.
Kings bury is a good developer. He may not be a great head coach, but he’s done good things for a lot of QBs very similar to Daniels. Kyler Murray is going to make over $100M after working under Kingsbury.
They already have one great WR in McLaurin signed long term, and another 1st rd WR in Dotson. That’s way more offensive weapons than most rookie QBs get.
They’ve got two stud DL in Allen and Payne signed long term, two first round rookie scale defenders in Davis and Forbes, and they just signed Armstrong from the Cowboys for over $10M per season. That’s the building blocks of a nice young defense, and having a nice defense is a great friend to a young QB because it takes the pressure off.
They have two addl 2nd rd picks this year, as well as three 3rds. They also have a TON of cap space over the next few years to quickly supplement the roster.
They’re a premier franchise with great exposure and great fans, so he can easily profit on his successes.
That’s WAY more than most young guys can expect when they’re getting drafted #2 overall.
It may not be the best ever, but it’s also not supposed to be. The whole point of the draft is to ensure parity for the league as a whole, not to have any random individual person grease their way to the best situation possible.
Now it’s one thing to say that your career can be greatly impacted by going to a team that doesn’t know what they’re doing, but that’s not this case. In fact, it’s not most cases.
But it’s supposed to be your job to eventually raise the team up to its zenith, not the team’s job to audition for your services.
Any attempts at this shit need to be nipped in the bud. I don’t think that’s what is going on here with Jayden, but if so then that would be what he needs to hear.
If they do this right, I think Wash could be in the NFCCG before the end of Jayden’s rookie contract.
2020 All Time NBA Draft
A Iverson, K Irving
J Havlicek, M Ginobili, M Richmond
D Wilkins, B Bowen
T Duncan, B McAdoo
H Olajuwon, W Unseld, A Sabonis
A Iverson, K Irving
J Havlicek, M Ginobili, M Richmond
D Wilkins, B Bowen
T Duncan, B McAdoo
H Olajuwon, W Unseld, A Sabonis
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Re: J. Daniels
Correct. But even that media fault is ultimately only there to placate the insatiable appetite of the American football fan.Oriole81 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 7:44 pmThe media doesn’t help either. It’s fun for them to try and manufacture stories like this because it’s free content for them, knowing full well that they won’t be held accountable if they “interpret correctly.Beef Supreme wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:36 pmThe two most famous cases of a player telling a team “I won’t play for you” are John Elway 41 years ago and Eli manning 20 years ago. I’m sure there have been others (Bo Jackson, iirc) and I’m sure there have been some in other sports (Eric Lindross in the NHL; Steph Curry in the NBA).Oriole81 wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 5:13 pm
Quinn is a good coach, the guy did make a SB and had a QB win the MVP. I know Shanahan was the OC, but Quinn still gets credit for fostering an environment where the offense can still shine and do their thing. That matters, and he’ll do the same thing in Wash.
Kings bury is a good developer. He may not be a great head coach, but he’s done good things for a lot of QBs very similar to Daniels. Kyler Murray is going to make over $100M after working under Kingsbury.
They already have one great WR in McLaurin signed long term, and another 1st rd WR in Dotson. That’s way more offensive weapons than most rookie QBs get.
They’ve got two stud DL in Allen and Payne signed long term, two first round rookie scale defenders in Davis and Forbes, and they just signed Armstrong from the Cowboys for over $10M per season. That’s the building blocks of a nice young defense, and having a nice defense is a great friend to a young QB because it takes the pressure off.
They have two addl 2nd rd picks this year, as well as three 3rds. They also have a TON of cap space over the next few years to quickly supplement the roster.
They’re a premier franchise with great exposure and great fans, so he can easily profit on his successes.
That’s WAY more than most young guys can expect when they’re getting drafted #2 overall.
It may not be the best ever, but it’s also not supposed to be. The whole point of the draft is to ensure parity for the league as a whole, not to have any random individual person grease their way to the best situation possible.
Now it’s one thing to say that your career can be greatly impacted by going to a team that doesn’t know what they’re doing, but that’s not this case. In fact, it’s not most cases.
But it’s supposed to be your job to eventually raise the team up to its zenith, not the team’s job to audition for your services.
Any attempts at this shit need to be nipped in the bud. I don’t think that’s what is going on here with Jayden, but if so then that would be what he needs to hear.
So I can only imagine that’s the tip of the iceberg. It doesn’t benefit either side to admit this. Both the team and player look bad. The team might have some incentive to leak it to justify trading away or passing on a hot prospect, but it also makes them look weak and is embarrassing. For the player, it’s just a bad, petulant, entitled look. So I imagine it happens a lot more than we’re aware of. I think it’s the dirty secret of draft day. It’s the hidden calculus that teams have to do that fans and “experts” are not privy to.
I’m just guessing at all this, but I bet it happens more often than we realize.
That’s why we should still be cautious about labeling these guys’ character.
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Re: J. Daniels
LolWilliam Munny wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 6:56 pmGetting more and more bitter as destiny inches closer. "With that #4 pick, the Minnesota Vikings select JJ McCarthy, QB, Michigan."D_H wrote: ↑Fri Apr 19, 2024 4:40 pmI’m extremely confident Kevin O’Connell is not that stupid. He and the entire front office would be out of a job in two years if they draft that scrub. Not happening. JJ McCarthy was considered a second or third round pick before the national championship game and played like shit in the national championship game. As a matter fact, the coaching staff tried to hide him and didn’t let him pass. Lol. The hype is not coming from an NFL people. The hype is coming from people that do mock drafts. Lol. You know the same people that hyped up with Levis, AJ McCarron, Mac Jones, Zach Wilson, Joey Harrington, etc.. lol
NFL coach:
The biggest area of concern for McCarthy is his accuracy when throwing outside of the numbers. On such pass attempts, he recorded a 27.1% uncatchable throw rate, ranking 48th out of 105 eligible FBS quarterbacks.
Lol
Kevin, O’Connell is not taking Chad Henne 2.0 rest assured
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