2024 Looks Like a Great Year for the Vikings to Draft a Quarterback

[Señor Trumpo]

Denver doesn't have a 2nd round pick this year, the Vikings can beat any offer they have. The only team that concerns me in beating us to 4 would be the Giants. The only way I see us doing this is if we trade with NE or LAC. I think AZ wants a WR and will pick in the top 6 to get that receiver.

Quite possibly. AZ may be fine with just getting one of the top 4 WR's while picking up another 1st round pick to get another premium player. Who knows. I do think that that Vikings want Maye or McCarthy. Likely 1A and 1B respectively. I am watching "Patriots Today" on Youtube and the guy is doing a mock for the Patriots if they trade the #3 pick to the Vikings for #11, #23, #129 (4th rounder) and the 2025 first rounder. Vikings would get #3 and #137 (5th rounder). Guy has the Patriots taking:

#11 - Brock Bowers
#23 - Brian Thomas Jr.
#29 - Tyler Guyton OL after trading back into the 1st round
#56 - Spencer Rattler Qb after trading with Cleveland

Good result, but why even bother taking Rattler in that case? You'll have two first round picks next year, just anticipate using those to get your QB of the future. Even if it's a "downyear" for QBs, you'll still probably have a good chance to get someone better than Rattler, and defer the rookie scale contract.

At 56 you could still get a great defensive piece that could be a contributor for 10 years.

Rattler at this point is probably a top 3 QB in the 2025 draft.

[Oriole81]

Quite possibly. AZ may be fine with just getting one of the top 4 WR's while picking up another 1st round pick to get another premium player. Who knows. I do think that that Vikings want Maye or McCarthy. Likely 1A and 1B respectively. I am watching "Patriots Today" on Youtube and the guy is doing a mock for the Patriots if they trade the #3 pick to the Vikings for #11, #23, #129 (4th rounder) and the 2025 first rounder. Vikings would get #3 and #137 (5th rounder). Guy has the Patriots taking:

#11 - Brock Bowers
#23 - Brian Thomas Jr.
#29 - Tyler Guyton OL after trading back into the 1st round
#56 - Spencer Rattler Qb after trading with Cleveland

Good result, but why even bother taking Rattler in that case? You'll have two first round picks next year, just anticipate using those to get your QB of the future. Even if it's a "downyear" for QBs, you'll still probably have a good chance to get someone better than Rattler, and defer the rookie scale contract.

At 56 you could still get a great defensive piece that could be a contributor for 10 years.

Rattler at this point is probably a top 3 QB in the 2025 draft.

I don't agree with that.
Rattler still needs a ton of work and is already 23 years old.

[Señor Trumpo]

Good result, but why even bother taking Rattler in that case? You'll have two first round picks next year, just anticipate using those to get your QB of the future. Even if it's a "downyear" for QBs, you'll still probably have a good chance to get someone better than Rattler, and defer the rookie scale contract.

At 56 you could still get a great defensive piece that could be a contributor for 10 years.

Rattler at this point is probably a top 3 QB in the 2025 draft.

I don't agree with that.
Rattler still needs a ton of work and is already 23 years old.

I'd rather have him than Dion's kid, not because he is a better talent, but it's LaVar Ball 2.0 with the Sander kids.

[Oriole81]

Rattler at this point is probably a top 3 QB in the 2025 draft.

I don't agree with that.
Rattler still needs a ton of work and is already 23 years old.

I'd rather have him than Dion's kid, not because he is a better talent, but it's LaVar Ball 2.0 with the Sander kids.

Then wait until 2026.
Cle didn't take their QB until year 3 of their rebuild, Hou didn't take Stroud until year 4.

This is a multi year rebuild, just be patient.
If you're going to choose to not take the QB early, then just commit to that deferment.
Don't waste Top 60 picks though, because the conversion of QBs on those is so low.

[cunningham]

I don't agree with that.
Rattler still needs a ton of work and is already 23 years old.

I'd rather have him than Dion's kid, not because he is a better talent, but it's LaVar Ball 2.0 with the Sander kids.

Then wait until 2026.
Cle didn't take their QB until year 3 of their rebuild, Hou didn't take Stroud until year 4.

This is a multi year rebuild, just be patient.
If you're going to choose to not take the QB early, then just commit to that deferment.
Don't waste Top 60 picks though, because the conversion of QBs on those is so low.

Where are we in our competitive rebuild?

Seems like teams take quarterbacks and then build around them. It is hard to time it properly though. The Pats took Mac Jones after Brady and tried to time it. Another pick does seem early, but the free agents are crap as well.

Part of the issue is that teams are doing a poor job of grooming quarterbacks. The game is so difficult today for quarterbacks. Then injuries on top of everything.

Vikings having Hall, Darnold, and a rookie first rounder would be a nice quarterback room.

A lot of the failure in quarterbacks today falls on coaches and the NFL teams firing guys too quickly. The coaches move around too much and can’t build a competitive team.

[Oriole81]

I'd rather have him than Dion's kid, not because he is a better talent, but it's LaVar Ball 2.0 with the Sander kids.

Then wait until 2026.
Cle didn't take their QB until year 3 of their rebuild, Hou didn't take Stroud until year 4.

This is a multi year rebuild, just be patient.
If you're going to choose to not take the QB early, then just commit to that deferment.
Don't waste Top 60 picks though, because the conversion of QBs on those is so low.

Where are we in our competitive rebuild?

Seems like teams take quarterbacks and then build around them. It is hard to time it properly though. The Pats took Mac Jones after Brady and tried to time it. Another pick does seem early, but the free agents are crap as well.

Part of the issue is that teams are doing a poor job of grooming quarterbacks. The game is so difficult today for quarterbacks. Then injuries on top of everything.

Vikings having Hall, Darnold, and a rookie first rounder would be a nice quarterback room.

A lot of the failure in quarterbacks today falls on coaches and the NFL teams firing guys too quickly. The coaches move around too much and can’t build a competitive team.

I am not saying they should pass on the QB. Just that, if they choose to and move down, don't settle for a lesser QB prospect in lieu of taking another top end positional player. Just defer the QB pick until the next year, when you'll probably be near the Top 10 again.
If you want to take the QB though, then take the QB. That's totally fine as well.

Regarding where the Vikes are at, it really doesn't matter in my opinion.
The Vikes SHOULD have been a team like the Eagles that remained competitive while moving from a highly priced veteran QB to a rookie scale QB, but they completely botched the 2022 draft and their 2023 class still only looks solid in a theoretical sense.
A better organization would have had them in a better state, so there's not really any blueprint for them at this point.

[William Munny]

PA said that the Vikings have a "handshake deal" with a team in the top 5. Chargers are the suspected team.

[Hoop Dreams]

I will say again, I would avoid Jayden Daniels as I think he will get "broken." Maybe he is gumby in waiting, but his running will get his RG3'd really quickly if not controlled.

His weight is similar to Lamar Jackson. He does need to add a few pounds though.

[Hoop Dreams]

[Beef Supreme]

Rumor vs rumor!

[weimy froob]

bump. you decide.

[R403]

[R403]

https://vikingsterritory.com/2024/news/ ... ikings/amp

[Beef Supreme]

bump. you decide.

He looked fine to me. Missed a couple deep balls by a yard or two. Big deal.

[Hoop Dreams]

[Style]

PA said that the Vikings have a "handshake deal" with a team in the top 5. Chargers are the suspected team.

This is interesting. PA is plugged in of course.

[Small Hands]

Do whatever you have to do to get Maye.

I’m telling you… plug in Maye with our weapons and we are immediately in the conversation for the division title.

They draft JJ and it will be excuse after excuse for three years. He just needs this, he just needs that… blah blah blah

[R403]

Do whatever you have to do to get Maye.

I’m telling you… plug in Maye with our weapons and we are immediately in the conversation for the division title.

They draft JJ and it will be excuse after excuse for three years. He just needs this, he just needs that… blah blah blah

No need to worry they are not drafting JJ. I would be surprised if JJ is even a first round pick.

[RubeTube]

Do whatever you have to do to get Maye.

I’m telling you… plug in Maye with our weapons and we are immediately in the conversation for the division title.

They draft JJ and it will be excuse after excuse for three years. He just needs this, he just needs that… blah blah blah

SPOT FN ON.

[RubeTube]

FUCK IT…. If you can’t get Maye, FUCK IT…. Draft the best defensive players with #11 and #23 and build this thing around Darnold.

[William Munny]

FUCK IT…. If you can’t get Maye, FUCK IT…. Draft the best defensive players with #11 and #23 and build this thing around Darnold.

Phnx Sports had a scoop on the Cardinals trading #4 to the Vikings. The hosts sound set on not getting MHJ and trading back with MN.


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[cunningham]

Do whatever you have to do to get Maye.

I’m telling you… plug in Maye with our weapons and we are immediately in the conversation for the division title.

They draft JJ and it will be excuse after excuse for three years. He just needs this, he just needs that… blah blah blah

Oh dear God, not that again! The excuses sucked the life out of this place the last 6 years. If KOC sees something special in Maye trade the farm. We pick busts in the first round every other year anyway. We have entire draft classes that sucked.

The nice thing is by not being strapped with Captain Kirk’s salary it puts less pressure on the draft to build. Look at all the guys we have signed this offseason for our defense. Look at how quickly we dropped when Kirk came and Rick had to rely on the draft.

[minnemike]

bump. you decide.

JJ AND Maye are being pimped for their up the middle passing, but I am seeing some crisp timing route passes across the middle deep here. Of course, this is without gear and defenders.

[weimy froob]

bump. you decide.

JJ AND Maye are being pimped for their up the middle passing, but I am seeing some crisp timing route passes across the middle deep here. Of course, this is without gear and defenders.

[weimy froob]

the reward and the risk of daniels as your team's QB. i think the reward is worth the risk--i'd bet KOC and kwesi do too.

[Small Hands]

the reward and the risk of daniels as your team's QB. i think the reward is worth the risk--i'd bet KOC and kwesi do too.

That’s the concern with him. The skills are there. He needs to not get airborne when he’s about to be tackled. That is for sure.

[j-one]

Then wait until 2026.
Cle didn't take their QB until year 3 of their rebuild, Hou didn't take Stroud until year 4.

This is a multi year rebuild, just be patient.
If you're going to choose to not take the QB early, then just commit to that deferment.
Don't waste Top 60 picks though, because the conversion of QBs on those is so low.

Where are we in our competitive rebuild?

Seems like teams take quarterbacks and then build around them. It is hard to time it properly though. The Pats took Mac Jones after Brady and tried to time it. Another pick does seem early, but the free agents are crap as well.

Part of the issue is that teams are doing a poor job of grooming quarterbacks. The game is so difficult today for quarterbacks. Then injuries on top of everything.

Vikings having Hall, Darnold, and a rookie first rounder would be a nice quarterback room.

A lot of the failure in quarterbacks today falls on coaches and the NFL teams firing guys too quickly. The coaches move around too much and can’t build a competitive team.

I am not saying they should pass on the QB. Just that, if they choose to and move down, don't settle for a lesser QB prospect in lieu of taking another top end positional player. Just defer the QB pick until the next year, when you'll probably be near the Top 10 again.
If you want to take the QB though, then take the QB. That's totally fine as well.

Regarding where the Vikes are at, it really doesn't matter in my opinion.
The Vikes SHOULD have been a team like the Eagles that remained competitive while moving from a highly priced veteran QB to a rookie scale QB, but they completely botched the 2022 draft and their 2023 class still only looks solid in a theoretical sense.
A better organization would have had them in a better state, so there's not really any blueprint for them at this point.

If the trades don't materialize to get the QB they want this year and decide to grab one next year, I'd trade away 23 for a first rounder next year +- whatever other picks that go with that. In this case the Vike would have a high pick on their own, but would it be high enough?

[Oriole81]

Where are we in our competitive rebuild?

Seems like teams take quarterbacks and then build around them. It is hard to time it properly though. The Pats took Mac Jones after Brady and tried to time it. Another pick does seem early, but the free agents are crap as well.

Part of the issue is that teams are doing a poor job of grooming quarterbacks. The game is so difficult today for quarterbacks. Then injuries on top of everything.

Vikings having Hall, Darnold, and a rookie first rounder would be a nice quarterback room.

A lot of the failure in quarterbacks today falls on coaches and the NFL teams firing guys too quickly. The coaches move around too much and can’t build a competitive team.

I am not saying they should pass on the QB. Just that, if they choose to and move down, don't settle for a lesser QB prospect in lieu of taking another top end positional player. Just defer the QB pick until the next year, when you'll probably be near the Top 10 again.
If you want to take the QB though, then take the QB. That's totally fine as well.

Regarding where the Vikes are at, it really doesn't matter in my opinion.
The Vikes SHOULD have been a team like the Eagles that remained competitive while moving from a highly priced veteran QB to a rookie scale QB, but they completely botched the 2022 draft and their 2023 class still only looks solid in a theoretical sense.
A better organization would have had them in a better state, so there's not really any blueprint for them at this point.

If the trades don't materialize to get the QB they want this year and decide to grab one next year, I'd trade away 23 for a first rounder next year +- whatever other picks that go with that. In this case the Vike would have a high pick on their own, but would it be high enough?

I should first clarify that my comment about pushing off the QB decision would have been in regards to a rebuilding team like the Patriots, who just had a large organizational rehaul and are years away from contending.
It wasn't related to the Vikings.

With that caveat out of the way and now shifting to a Vikes conversation, I'd really have a hard time believing that a trade couldn't materialize.
They have more assets to work with than any other team they should be competing with, and there supposedly are teams available in the early part of the draft that have reason and motivation to move down. It seems very logical that a trade can materialize.

Not to mention the fact that they have already delayed this decision for two drafts (had options to draft Pickett and Levis for free, but passed) because supposedly this was supposed to be the QB year.

If they can't put something together, I think you really have to start to question what they're doing.
In theory I get that you shouldn't "overpay" in a draft and that you can slowly and assuredly build a nucleus, however this would also involve them going into the year with Sam Darnold as your only QB.

That's a monster risk and if it blows up in their face, they probably get fired.

[Señor Trumpo]

[weimy froob]

i think it would be entertaining football to watch if the vikings could get him for sure.