New England Patriots

[mlhouse]

Don’t forget, for many of those years, Brady played on a contract below market value. That gave them a huge advantage.


That, and they’re cheaters.

its baaaaaston

say it right

cheetah

You're retaaadad.

In the Greater Boston area there are literally Dunkin Donuts across the street from one another.

[-Jaymo-]

Let’s talk about Bill Belichick’s record without Tom Brady.

.390

“He’s a mastermind!”

“Greatest coach ever!”

“ His defense with the Giants was so far superior to anything Zimstone has done that it ends the debate right there. ”


and yet............


.390


discuss

[JPM]

And ol HGTM thought this was satire. Hahahahahaa.

[Chuck North]

OP is so sad nobody’s taking the bait.

[-Jaymo-]

OP is so sad nobody’s taking the bait.

This thread is two pages longer than anything you’ve ever started.

[flexbuffchest]

It does seem so far all those genius moves Bill got credit for were made possible by Tom's ability to make everyone much better then they are.

Although, its 1 season. They had a few opt outs, pretty small sample size.

And it isn't even like we are seeing prime Brady away from Bill. This is a 43 year old geriatric Brady who continues to play at an incredible level.

[Beef Supreme]

Where are you getting .390?


He was 36-44 in Cleveland.

He was 11-5 the year Brady was hurt in NE (Brady threw 11 passes and no touchdowns in game 1 before tearing his ACL, I’m counting all 16 games as “without Brady”)

He missed the first 4 games of 2016 (was that deflategate?). Pats went 3-1

He is 6-9 now.

I’m not going to bother with last games of the year when they may have rested Brady.


That’s 56-59

That’s .487


You can still make a point with .487, but where did you get .390?

[RubeTube]

NE lost right away in the playoffs last year with Brady.

This isn't just Bill and Brady. NE is completely void of talent right now. It's one of the reasons Brady didn't come back. They are rebuilding.

Cam was awful but let's no pretend that was all him. They have nothing at the skill positions. Nobody was going to succeed there.

And hey, Billy B just had a Zimmer "Even" year. We get one of these stinkers every two years. Lulz

[JPM]

Gee I wonder if we can play this silly little game with every successful coach?

[Beef Supreme]

NE lost right away in the playoffs last year with Brady.

This isn't just Bill and Brady. NE is completely void of talent right now. It's one of the reasons Brady didn't come back. They are rebuilding.

Cam was awful but let's no pretend that was all him. They have nothing at the skill positions. Nobody was going to succeed there.

And hey, Billy B just had a Zimmer "Even" year. We get one of these stinkers every two years. Lulz

Bill is the GM too, so needing a rebuild is on him. But yeah, pretty tolerable after two decades of unprecedented success.

[RubeTube]

NE lost right away in the playoffs last year with Brady.

This isn't just Bill and Brady. NE is completely void of talent right now. It's one of the reasons Brady didn't come back. They are rebuilding.

Cam was awful but let's no pretend that was all him. They have nothing at the skill positions. Nobody was going to succeed there.

And hey, Billy B just had a Zimmer "Even" year. We get one of these stinkers every two years. Lulz

Bill is the GM too, so needing a rebuild is on him. But yeah, pretty tolerable after two decades of unprecedented success.

Every team hits one at some point. I think they had a pretty good run.

[Beef Supreme]

NE lost right away in the playoffs last year with Brady.

This isn't just Bill and Brady. NE is completely void of talent right now. It's one of the reasons Brady didn't come back. They are rebuilding.

Cam was awful but let's no pretend that was all him. They have nothing at the skill positions. Nobody was going to succeed there.

And hey, Billy B just had a Zimmer "Even" year. We get one of these stinkers every two years. Lulz

Bill is the GM too, so needing a rebuild is on him. But yeah, pretty tolerable after two decades of unprecedented success.

Every team hits one at some point. I think they had a pretty good run.

If offered to me for the Vikes, I think I’d take that run, even if it meant a 7-9 or 6-10 showing at the end of it.

[RubeTube]

Bill is the GM too, so needing a rebuild is on him. But yeah, pretty tolerable after two decades of unprecedented success.

Every team hits one at some point. I think they had a pretty good run.

If offered to me for the Vikes, I think I’d take that run, even if it meant a 7-9 or 6-10 showing at the end of it.

I would go 1-15 the rest of my life if it meant just winning one.

[Beef Supreme]

Every team hits one at some point. I think they had a pretty good run.

If offered to me for the Vikes, I think I’d take that run, even if it meant a 7-9 or 6-10 showing at the end of it.

I would go 1-15 the rest of my life if it meant just winning one.

#Hoist

[-Jaymo-]

Where are you getting .390?


He was 36-44 in Cleveland.

He was 11-5 the year Brady was hurt in NE (Brady threw 11 passes and no touchdowns in game 1 before tearing his ACL, I’m counting all 16 games as “without Brady”)

He missed the first 4 games of 2016 (was that deflategate?). Pats went 3-1

He is 6-9 now.

I’m not going to bother with last games of the year when they may have rested Brady.


That’s 56-59

That’s .487


You can still make a point with .487, but where did you get .390?

Yeah, I just quick ran the numbers in my head at 7:00 am. Sue me.

I’m going on years where Brady was not his starting QB. I.e., all of Cleveland, 2000, 2009.

Upon further review, his winning percentage without Brady is .423

HOF worthy

[JPM]

Gee I wonder if we can play this silly little game with every successful coach?

[Beef Supreme]

Where are you getting .390?


He was 36-44 in Cleveland.

He was 11-5 the year Brady was hurt in NE (Brady threw 11 passes and no touchdowns in game 1 before tearing his ACL, I’m counting all 16 games as “without Brady”)

He missed the first 4 games of 2016 (was that deflategate?). Pats went 3-1

He is 6-9 now.

I’m not going to bother with last games of the year when they may have rested Brady.


That’s 56-59

That’s .487


You can still make a point with .487, but where did you get .390?

Yeah, I just quick ran the numbers in my head at 7:00 am. Sue me.

I’m going on years where Brady was not his starting QB. I.e., all of Cleveland, 2000, 2009.

Upon further review, his winning percentage without Brady is .423

HOF worthy

Right. Forgot Brady did not start in 2000. But he started all 16 games in 2009. It was 2008 he missed.

So adding that 5-11 season (2000) in, the real “No Brady” Bill record is 61-70.


That’s .466.


How do you get .423?

[PurpleFloyd]

Where are you getting .390?


He was 36-44 in Cleveland.

He was 11-5 the year Brady was hurt in NE (Brady threw 11 passes and no touchdowns in game 1 before tearing his ACL, I’m counting all 16 games as “without Brady”)

He missed the first 4 games of 2016 (was that deflategate?). Pats went 3-1

He is 6-9 now.

I’m not going to bother with last games of the year when they may have rested Brady.


That’s 56-59

That’s .487


You can still make a point with .487, but where did you get .390?

Yeah, I just quick ran the numbers in my head at 7:00 am. Sue me.

I’m going on years where Brady was not his starting QB. I.e., all of Cleveland, 2000, 2009.

Upon further review, his winning percentage without Brady is .423

HOF worthy

Multiplied by .06%

[PurpleFloyd]

NE lost right away in the playoffs last year with Brady.

This isn't just Bill and Brady. NE is completely void of talent right now. It's one of the reasons Brady didn't come back. They are rebuilding.

Cam was awful but let's no pretend that was all him. They have nothing at the skill positions. Nobody was going to succeed there.

And hey, Billy B just had a Zimmer "Even" year. We get one of these stinkers every two years. Lulz

So is New England losing their touch?

[-Jaymo-]

Where are you getting .390?


He was 36-44 in Cleveland.

He was 11-5 the year Brady was hurt in NE (Brady threw 11 passes and no touchdowns in game 1 before tearing his ACL, I’m counting all 16 games as “without Brady”)

He missed the first 4 games of 2016 (was that deflategate?). Pats went 3-1

He is 6-9 now.

I’m not going to bother with last games of the year when they may have rested Brady.


That’s 56-59

That’s .487


You can still make a point with .487, but where did you get .390?

Yeah, I just quick ran the numbers in my head at 7:00 am. Sue me.

I’m going on years where Brady was not his starting QB. I.e., all of Cleveland, 2000, 2009.

Upon further review, his winning percentage without Brady is .423

HOF worthy

Right. Forgot Brady did not start in 2000. But he started all 16 games in 2009. It was 2008 he missed.

So adding that 5-11 season (2000) in, the real “No Brady” Bill record is 61-70.


That’s .466.


How do you get .423?

No. Brady was the starter. Bill should adjust. Coach ‘em up. Just like Zim should.

Cleveland
2000
2020

Those are the years Brady wasn’t Bill’s starting QB.

.423

[Beef Supreme]

Yeah, I just quick ran the numbers in my head at 7:00 am. Sue me.

I’m going on years where Brady was not his starting QB. I.e., all of Cleveland, 2000, 2009.

Upon further review, his winning percentage without Brady is .423

HOF worthy

Right. Forgot Brady did not start in 2000. But he started all 16 games in 2009. It was 2008 he missed.

So adding that 5-11 season (2000) in, the real “No Brady” Bill record is 61-70.


That’s .466.


How do you get .423?

No. Brady was the starter. Bill should adjust. Coach ‘em up. Just like Zim should.

Cleveland
2000
2020

Those are the years Brady wasn’t Bill’s starting QB.

.423

Of you cherry-pick hard enough, you can convince yourself that you’re right.

[RubeTube]

Lol is this honestly a thread where we shouldn't criticize Zimmer because Bill B had a bad year?

Am I missing the sarcasm?


#FroobChat

[-Jaymo-]

Where are you getting .390?


He was 36-44 in Cleveland.

He was 11-5 the year Brady was hurt in NE (Brady threw 11 passes and no touchdowns in game 1 before tearing his ACL, I’m counting all 16 games as “without Brady”)

He missed the first 4 games of 2016 (was that deflategate?). Pats went 3-1

He is 6-9 now.

I’m not going to bother with last games of the year when they may have rested Brady.


That’s 56-59

That’s .487


You can still make a point with .487, but where did you get .390?

Yeah, I just quick ran the numbers in my head at 7:00 am. Sue me.

I’m going on years where Brady was not his starting QB. I.e., all of Cleveland, 2000, 2009.

Upon further review, his winning percentage without Brady is .423

HOF worthy

Multiplied by .06%

[-Jaymo-]

Right. Forgot Brady did not start in 2000. But he started all 16 games in 2009. It was 2008 he missed.

So adding that 5-11 season (2000) in, the real “No Brady” Bill record is 61-70.


That’s .466.


How do you get .423?

No. Brady was the starter. Bill should adjust. Coach ‘em up. Just like Zim should.

Cleveland
2000
2020

Those are the years Brady wasn’t Bill’s starting QB.

.423

Of you cherry-pick hard enough, you can convince yourself that you’re right.

Are you trying to convince yourself that Belichick is a great coach with out Brady? Because the stats beg to differ.

Brady was the starter in 2000. Injuries happen. Suck it up.

[Beef Supreme]

No. Brady was the starter. Bill should adjust. Coach ‘em up. Just like Zim should.

Cleveland
2000
2020

Those are the years Brady wasn’t Bill’s starting QB.

.423

Of you cherry-pick hard enough, you can convince yourself that you’re right.

Are you trying to convince yourself that Belichick is a great coach with out Brady? Because the stats beg to differ.

Brady was the starter in 2000. Injuries happen. Suck it up.

Drew Bledsoe was the starter in 2000.

[RubeTube]

No. Brady was the starter. Bill should adjust. Coach ‘em up. Just like Zim should.

Cleveland
2000
2020

Those are the years Brady wasn’t Bill’s starting QB.

.423

Of you cherry-pick hard enough, you can convince yourself that you’re right.

Are you trying to convince yourself that Belichick is a great coach with out Brady? Because the stats beg to differ.

Brady was the starter in 2000. Injuries happen. Suck it up.

Who cares who it was? Would Bill Walsh be Bill Walsh without Montana? Would Dan Marino won rings if switched with Montana?

I bet if we got a HOF QB here tomorrow, you wouldn't be discrediting Zimmer for a SB win.

It takes greats to make greats a lot of the time. This is the lamest argument in sports. I wouldn't expect many Vikings fans to get this though.

It's about like saying Jerry Rice wouldn't be the GOAT if he played his whole career with Christian Ponder.

According to Pedmo, if we can a HOF QB and the NFL to buy into a referee conspiracy for the Vikings, Mike Zimmer might just get his ring.

#AsIfYourPolitcalTakesWereNotEmbarassingEnough

[-Jaymo-]

Of you cherry-pick hard enough, you can convince yourself that you’re right.

Are you trying to convince yourself that Belichick is a great coach with out Brady? Because the stats beg to differ.

Brady was the starter in 2000. Injuries happen. Suck it up.

Who cares who it was? Would Bill Walsh be Bill Walsh without Montana? Would Dan Marino won rings if switched with Montana?

I bet if we got a HOF QB here tomorrow, you wouldn't be discrediting Zimmer for a SB win.

It takes greats to make greats a lot of the time. This is the lamest argument in sports. I wouldn't expect many Vikings fans to get this though.

It's about like saying Jerry Rice wouldn't be the GOAT if he played his whole career with Christian Ponder.

According to Pedmo, if we can a HOF QB and the NFL to buy into a referee conspiracy for the Vikings, Mike Zimmer might just get his ring.

#AsIfYourPolitcalTakesWereNotEmbarassingEnough

You’re pretty much out of the loop as to what is going on here, guy. Probably best if you just sit it out until you get up to speed.

[-Jaymo-]

Of you cherry-pick hard enough, you can convince yourself that you’re right.

Are you trying to convince yourself that Belichick is a great coach with out Brady? Because the stats beg to differ.

Brady was the starter in 2000 2008. Injuries happen. Suck it up.

Drew Bledsoe was the starter in 2000.

Yeah.

[hategreenticemase]

This thread delivers!

[Bros Before Shiancoes]

Are you trying to convince yourself that Belichick is a great coach with out Brady? Because the stats beg to differ.

Brady was the starter in 2000. Injuries happen. Suck it up.

Who cares who it was? Would Bill Walsh be Bill Walsh without Montana? Would Dan Marino won rings if switched with Montana?

I bet if we got a HOF QB here tomorrow, you wouldn't be discrediting Zimmer for a SB win.

It takes greats to make greats a lot of the time. This is the lamest argument in sports. I wouldn't expect many Vikings fans to get this though.

It's about like saying Jerry Rice wouldn't be the GOAT if he played his whole career with Christian Ponder.

According to Pedmo, if we can a HOF QB and the NFL to buy into a referee conspiracy for the Vikings, Mike Zimmer might just get his ring.

#AsIfYourPolitcalTakesWereNotEmbarassingEnough

You’re pretty much out of the loop as to what is going on here, guy. Probably best if you just sit it out until you get up to speed.

Yeah, get up to speed tube. You clearly shouldn’t participate in this asinine stupidity. What happened to you and Mlhouse lately? Ya get bored and throw sanity out the window? My god.