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Hall of Fame or not?
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Hall of Fame or not?
In this thread, we can discuss borderline HoF guys.
I'm currently watching some highlights of Manu Ginobili, so I'll start with some Spurs...
Ginobili and Tony Parker...HoF or not?
Their numbers don't pop off the page, neither guy will ever be considered a dominate player (which is what I look for in HoF guys), but they have longevity, very nice numbers, and ring cred.
When dynasties happen, I feel lesser players get in. Spurs were a dynasty, therefore, I think both get in.
I'm currently watching some highlights of Manu Ginobili, so I'll start with some Spurs...
Ginobili and Tony Parker...HoF or not?
Their numbers don't pop off the page, neither guy will ever be considered a dominate player (which is what I look for in HoF guys), but they have longevity, very nice numbers, and ring cred.
When dynasties happen, I feel lesser players get in. Spurs were a dynasty, therefore, I think both get in.
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Re: Hall of Fame or not?
Ginobli yes, Parker no.
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Re: Hall of Fame or not?
Couple other players off the top of my head...
Tim Hardaway (5x all NBA team)
Ben Wallace (5x all NBA, 4x DPOY)
Shawn Kemp (6x all star, 3x all NBA)
Penny Hardaway (3x all NBA (2 times 1st team))
Chris Webber (5x all NBA, ROY, 5x all star)
Steve Kerr (8x champion (5 as player, 3 as coach))
Tim Hardaway (5x all NBA team)
Ben Wallace (5x all NBA, 4x DPOY)
Shawn Kemp (6x all star, 3x all NBA)
Penny Hardaway (3x all NBA (2 times 1st team))
Chris Webber (5x all NBA, ROY, 5x all star)
Steve Kerr (8x champion (5 as player, 3 as coach))
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Re: Hall of Fame or not?
Interesting. I think both get in, but if its one or the other, I say Parker.
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Re: Hall of Fame or not?
I just think that Manu had more impact and was better player. Most unselfish player of all time as well as being the best 6th man ever.bubu dubu. wrote: ↑Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:08 pmInteresting. I think both get in, but if its one or the other, I say Parker.
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Re: Hall of Fame or not?
I don't think either of us are necessarily right or wrong, but heres my case for Parker over Manu,...flexbuffchest wrote: ↑Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:10 pmI just think that Manu had more impact and was better player. Most unselfish player of all time as well as being the best 6th man ever.bubu dubu. wrote: ↑Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:08 pmInteresting. I think both get in, but if its one or the other, I say Parker.
Tony...6x all star vs 2 for Manu
4x all NBA vs 2
Finals MVP vs 6th man of the year
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Re: Hall of Fame or not?
Ahhh, I forgot he had a Finals MVP. Then yes I think he should get in. Don't think either of them are first ballot though.bubu dubu. wrote: ↑Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:14 pmI don't think either of us are necessarily right or wrong, but heres my case for Parker over Manu,...flexbuffchest wrote: ↑Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:10 pmI just think that Manu had more impact and was better player. Most unselfish player of all time as well as being the best 6th man ever.bubu dubu. wrote: ↑Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:08 pm
Interesting. I think both get in, but if its one or the other, I say Parker.
Tony...6x all star vs 2 for Manu
4x all NBA vs 2
Finals MVP vs 6th man of the year
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Re: Hall of Fame or not?
Definitely not first ballot.flexbuffchest wrote: ↑Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:16 pmAhhh, I forgot he had a Finals MVP. Then yes I think he should get in. Don't think either of them are first ballot though.bubu dubu. wrote: ↑Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:14 pmI don't think either of us are necessarily right or wrong, but heres my case for Parker over Manu,...flexbuffchest wrote: ↑Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:10 pm
I just think that Manu had more impact and was better player. Most unselfish player of all time as well as being the best 6th man ever.
Tony...6x all star vs 2 for Manu
4x all NBA vs 2
Finals MVP vs 6th man of the year
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Re: Hall of Fame or not?
Another name to throw out there...
Grant Hill.
Loads of accomplishments with the Pistons, then derailed by injuries. The committee might put him in for the career he should have had vs the career he actually did have.
Grant Hill.
Loads of accomplishments with the Pistons, then derailed by injuries. The committee might put him in for the career he should have had vs the career he actually did have.
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Re: Hall of Fame or not?
He already is.
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Re: Hall of Fame or not?
Couple other Spurs...LMA and Gasol.
Gasol almost for sure.
LMA I would say no, but you look at the accomplishments (6x star, 5x all NBA), and his career isnt done yet...He'll be a borderline guy.
Gasol almost for sure.
LMA I would say no, but you look at the accomplishments (6x star, 5x all NBA), and his career isnt done yet...He'll be a borderline guy.
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Re: Hall of Fame or not?
Brian Scalabrine, yes or yes?
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Re: Hall of Fame or not?
Both guys are going to be Hall of Famers. Ginobili was also the best player on a Gold Medal winner and a Euro-league Champ and MVP on top of his NBA success.
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Re: Hall of Fame or not?
Don't forget that it's the basketball hall of fame, not NBA hall of fame. Ginobili is obviously getting in, good chance first ballot.
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Re: Hall of Fame or not?
Correct. Its why college accolades and international accolades come into account. If a player like Melo werent already in due to his NBA play (which he is), his Olympic fame, and freshman year at Syracuse pushes him way over the line.
and in the case you are pointing out, Manu.
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Re: Hall of Fame or not?
Sadly Carmelo is probably a HOFer, but what an overrated bum.
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Re: Hall of Fame or not?
Peja Stojakovic just popped into my head tonight.
His prime years were supreme.
Career highlights...
Champion
3x all star
1x all NBA
1x FIBA MVP
Not HoF IMO, but in the conversation of the next tier that is left out.
His prime years were supreme.
Career highlights...
Champion
3x all star
1x all NBA
1x FIBA MVP
Not HoF IMO, but in the conversation of the next tier that is left out.
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Re: Hall of Fame or not?
bubu dubu. wrote: ↑Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:41 pm Peja Stojakovic just popped into my head tonight.
His prime years were supreme.
Career highlights...
Champion
3x all star
1x all NBA
1x FIBA MVP
Not HoF IMO, but in the conversation of the next tier that is left out.
Umm... No
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Re: Hall of Fame or not?
Not probably lol. 100% first ballot.
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Re: Hall of Fame or not?
Both inbubu dubu. wrote: ↑Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:14 pmI don't think either of us are necessarily right or wrong, but heres my case for Parker over Manu,...flexbuffchest wrote: ↑Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:10 pmI just think that Manu had more impact and was better player. Most unselfish player of all time as well as being the best 6th man ever.bubu dubu. wrote: ↑Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:08 pm
Interesting. I think both get in, but if its one or the other, I say Parker.
Tony...6x all star vs 2 for Manu
4x all NBA vs 2
Finals MVP vs 6th man of the year
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Re: Hall of Fame or not?
My observations as well.bubu dubu. wrote: ↑Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:26 pm Couple other Spurs...LMA and Gasol.
Gasol almost for sure.
LMA I would say no, but you look at the accomplishments (6x star, 5x all NBA), and his career isnt done yet...He'll be a borderline guy.
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Re: Hall of Fame or not?
Webberbubu dubu. wrote: ↑Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:07 pm Couple other players off the top of my head...
Tim Hardaway (5x all NBA team)
Ben Wallace (5x all NBA, 4x DPOY)
Shawn Kemp (6x all star, 3x all NBA)
Penny Hardaway (3x all NBA (2 times 1st team))
Chris Webber (5x all NBA, ROY, 5x all star)
Steve Kerr (8x champion (5 as player, 3 as coach))
Kemp
Wallace
Webber is borderline for me but counting college and he's in
Rest are out.
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Kerr is gonna get in as a contributor. 8 championships and counting. For some who are in, its not just about playing career.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Wed Dec 26, 2018 10:49 pmWebberbubu dubu. wrote: ↑Sat Aug 25, 2018 11:07 pm Couple other players off the top of my head...
Tim Hardaway (5x all NBA team)
Ben Wallace (5x all NBA, 4x DPOY)
Shawn Kemp (6x all star, 3x all NBA)
Penny Hardaway (3x all NBA (2 times 1st team))
Chris Webber (5x all NBA, ROY, 5x all star)
Steve Kerr (8x champion (5 as player, 3 as coach))
Kemp
Wallace
Rest are.out.