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**Official NBA Offseason Transactions/Rumors Thread**

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T_J wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:25 pm
jodaman01 wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:28 am
T_J wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:13 am Giannis playing for Thibs would have put up even bigger stats because he'd have played like 38-40 min per game. He's like a perfect Thibs player, a defensive savant and a one man offensive wrecking crew.
I disagree. Thibbs would have traded a big chunk of the Bucks to get Butler. Thibbs was getting Butler no matter what team he went to, Butler would have dominated the young ones there as well and Thibbs would have brought in “his” players and made sure the players played his way.

It was his plan the minute he took the job here and it would have been his plan on any young team he would have took over. He should never have been given a GM job in the NBA.
Jimmy + Giannis? So now two defensive studs and not to mention, Jimmy can close games since Giannis's weak spot is shooting?

Add in Jimmy went to Marquette and wow, he did a pretty good job building a fucking eastern contender for the next 5-7 years. Phenomenal job by your boy.
Yes Jimmy worked well in Philly where he basically had more talent than any other team in the NBA.

Yep.... good call. :thumbsup:
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jodaman01 wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:54 pm
T_J wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 12:25 pm
jodaman01 wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 11:28 am

I disagree. Thibbs would have traded a big chunk of the Bucks to get Butler. Thibbs was getting Butler no matter what team he went to, Butler would have dominated the young ones there as well and Thibbs would have brought in “his” players and made sure the players played his way.

It was his plan the minute he took the job here and it would have been his plan on any young team he would have took over. He should never have been given a GM job in the NBA.
Jimmy + Giannis? So now two defensive studs and not to mention, Jimmy can close games since Giannis's weak spot is shooting?

Add in Jimmy went to Marquette and wow, he did a pretty good job building a fucking eastern contender for the next 5-7 years. Phenomenal job by your boy.
Yes Jimmy worked well in Philly where he basically had more talent than any other team in the NBA.

Yep.... good call. :thumbsup:
Did they have the best player in the east and the league MVP?
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51-31 and losing 4-3 to the world champs on a lucky bounce is a failure to jodaclown.
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Moses Scurry wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 1:26 pm 51-31 and losing 4-3 to the world champs on a lucky bounce is a failure to jodaclown.
.......and won what?

What will he win in Miami, because we all know “All He Cares About Is Winning”.

Saps.... :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
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Hey you brought up or really changed the fucking topic at hand, which was initially "would the Wolves have wasted Giannis had they drafted him."

Somehow it became Jason Kidd running the Wolves, then Thibs running the Bucks which you then pivoted to him unloading all the Bucks assets for Jimmy to then something about Jimmy in Miami.

So the "and won what" bullshit like you also used on Culver in another thread is just more of your usual changing the argument to your trolling bullshit that nobody can stand.
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T_J wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 3:07 pm Hey you brought up or really changed the fucking topic at hand, which was initially "would the Wolves have wasted Giannis had they drafted him."

Somehow it became Jason Kidd running the Wolves, then Thibs running the Bucks which you then pivoted to him unloading all the Bucks assets for Jimmy to then something about Jimmy in Miami.

So the "and won what" bullshit like you also used on Culver in another thread is just more of your usual changing the argument to your trolling bullshit that nobody can stand.
I just followed the posts and responded....no misdirection was planned. It started out with how Giannis vs Towns. You can’t have that discussion without looking at the systems they played in and were developed. I know most would like to think that Giannis just naturally is miles ahead of KAT because it makes an easy argument. It’s just not that simple. KAT was jammed into Thibbs school of shit which unless you are Thibbs pet is a system that retards development, especially when compared to what Kidd did with Giannis. I believe KAT and the Wolves mentioned would be better off today had they been developed under Kidd verses Thibbs.

If that isn’t something you feel is not open to debate, OK...Giannis is just flat out better than KAT and systems players play and are developed in have no impact.
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Basically what I'm hearing is KAT is an MVP candidate without Thibs or if we'd had Jason Kidd here. Makes sense and checks all the boxes.
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T_J wrote: Mon Aug 19, 2019 5:45 pm Basically what I'm hearing is KAT is an MVP candidate without Thibs or if we'd had Jason Kidd here. Makes sense and checks all the boxes.
Nailed It! :thumbsup:
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US lost to Australia for the first time, I believe.

Patty Mills went nuts.




Japan beat Germany and Hachimura looked really good. 31 points. Nice looking shot. Able to create his shot too.
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thinktank wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:47 am US lost to Australia for the first time, I believe.

Patty Mills went nuts.




Japan beat Germany and Hachimura looked really good. 31 points. Nice looking shot. Able to create his shot too.
The 52,019 fans that made up the largest crowd to ever attend a basketball game in Australia would disagree. The Australian team who beat the American squad for the first time in 26 tries would disagree too. The naysayers who saw the Americans lose for the first time since 2006 would disagree as well.
52,000 fans is nuts. That would have been the 4th largest attendance in NBA history.
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LeVert ot LaVine?
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Houston Rockets guard Eric Gordon has agreed to a four-year, $76M maximum contract extension
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UnFadeable21 wrote: Fri Aug 30, 2019 11:32 pm Houston Rockets guard Eric Gordon has agreed to a four-year, $76M maximum contract extension
Would any other team given him that?
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Suckerhead has a good agent.
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https://ca.nba.com/news/nba-draft-2019- ... qy0dagmlqo



Don't know how to post some things but here is an article about our newest Wolve.

Lindell Wiggington. Also from Canada. Looks decent. Anybody actually seen him play?
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Does any of it matter since we don't have a player that can get us to the playoffs on this team?
It's been 32 years since one of MN's four major sports teams has been to the Championship/Superbowl.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
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flexbuffchest wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2019 1:03 pm
thinktank wrote: Sun Aug 25, 2019 9:47 am US lost to Australia for the first time, I believe.

Patty Mills went nuts.




Japan beat Germany and Hachimura looked really good. 31 points. Nice looking shot. Able to create his shot too.
The 52,019 fans that made up the largest crowd to ever attend a basketball game in Australia would disagree. The Australian team who beat the American squad for the first time in 26 tries would disagree too. The naysayers who saw the Americans lose for the first time since 2006 would disagree as well.
52,000 fans is nuts. That would have been the 4th largest attendance in NBA history.
Only problem was the set up of the seats was deplorable, many fans couldn't see the court! Russell Crowe being one of them:

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It was set up in a football stadium:

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Mind you, it does say something about how big the NBA is here.
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Might be the beginning of the end for the NCAA now that California made it legal for college athletes to be paid.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... ls-harmful
The NCAA on Wednesday said legislation in California aimed at giving college athletes a chance to earn money while in school -- known as the Fair Pay to Play Act -- is harmful and unconstitutional and would "upend the balance" of national competition in college sports.

The organization's board of governors sent a letter Wednesday to California Gov. Gavin Newsom, asking that the state not pass the bill.

California's state Senate voted Wednesday to pass the Fair Pay to Play Act with a tally of 39-0. The California State Assembly approved the bill by a 73-0 vote earlier this week. The bill now moves to Newsom, who will have 30 days to decide whether he will sign it into law.

The proposed legislation, which would not go into effect until 2023, would make it illegal for California schools to take away an athlete's scholarship or eligibility as punishment for accepting endorsement money.
Now the "student athletes" should have a system that is slightly more fair to them.
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"is harmful and unconstitutional"? How exactly is allowing adults to be paid for their labor unconstitutional NCAA? Oh, you mean they aren't free labor that you earn billions. They have a word from the past, it's called...unfair.
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NotRasho wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:47 pm
flexbuffchest wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:23 am Might be the beginning of the end for the NCAA now that California made it legal for college athletes to be paid.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... ls-harmful
The NCAA on Wednesday said legislation in California aimed at giving college athletes a chance to earn money while in school -- known as the Fair Pay to Play Act -- is harmful and unconstitutional and would "upend the balance" of national competition in college sports.

The organization's board of governors sent a letter Wednesday to California Gov. Gavin Newsom, asking that the state not pass the bill.

California's state Senate voted Wednesday to pass the Fair Pay to Play Act with a tally of 39-0. The California State Assembly approved the bill by a 73-0 vote earlier this week. The bill now moves to Newsom, who will have 30 days to decide whether he will sign it into law.

The proposed legislation, which would not go into effect until 2023, would make it illegal for California schools to take away an athlete's scholarship or eligibility as punishment for accepting endorsement money.
Now the "student athletes" should have a system that is slightly more fair to them.
Colleges will make it part of their scholarship process to have athletes waive this or not get a scholarship IMO.

The real problem is student athletes not really being student athletes. People like Zion were touring Duke for a year, nothing more, and everybody knows it. Hes not a student athlete, hes an athlete who is taking the next step in their athletic career. I would rather people like that bypass college altogether rather than this sham of one and done.

A scholarship IS their compensation. The only people it isnt enough for seem to be the ones who wont be there in a year or two anyway. I dont feel bad for them, if you want to make money off yourself then dont take their scholarship offer, pretty simple.
1. I agree and if the athletes were true scholar-athletes it would be significant compensation.

2. The vast bulk of the brand value of NCAA athletics lies with the college. Lets put it this way, if you put a team of Amir Coffey-Jordan Murphy-Daniel Oturu-Gabe Kalsheur and Dupree McBrayer together they could not get all of their parents to show up for the game and even less if they actually had to pay for admission. Put those same players in a University of Minnesota Gopher basketball uniform, and even though they are a mediocre team they have local television and radio, national television contracts, and more than 9,000 people paid significant money to watch a very mediocre team play each home game in 2018-19.

3. If they system was really concerned about what is "right", instead of maximizing revenues, the NBA and NFL would set up their own minor league systems. But, they are as corrupt as the NCAA and know that the huge media exposure NCAA basketball and football gets means that their incoming rookies will have huge marketing values for their leagues. Their incoming players play before massive television audiences versus baseball and hockey, non-revenue college sports whose phenoms toil in front of a few hundred fans in the minor leagues when they turn professional (mostly baseball).

IF it wasn't for the huge dollars and power that the universities garner from their athletic programs, they could end the charade of having non-qualified individuals come to their colleges just to play sports. The entire concept is divorced from reality and the lies that need to be told to keep the illusions up are absolutely immoral.

In the long run, I think all the parties concerned would be much better off if it changed. The money corrupts the colleges and universities. I think the student-athletes in football and basketball would be much better off playing in a minor league system like baseball has where they could be paid a salary and practice their athletic craft exclusively. The top level players would enter the league early like in hockey and baseball, other players would have a lot of time to develop their skills while receiving coaching and experience that is the same as teh NFL/NBA.
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I'm curious as to how much compensation is going to be given to ncaa athletes. Not sure I agree with making them millionaires at that stage considering money can easily destroy young people especially if thier crew doesnt have their best interests at heart.
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I don’t get it to be honest. It’s not “illegal” from a government standpoint for college athletes to profit off their likeness; it’s not like they’d go to jail or pay a civil fine presuming they pay regular taxes on the income.

The problem though comes from the fact that they are breaching the eligibility agreement of a contract they voluntarily agreed to. They chose to enter into the NCAA system under these pretenses instead of pursuing other professional football opportunities (I’m obviously disregarding the fact that there’s no comparable opportunities, that’s not necessarily relevant to a legal argument) and if he chooses to break the terms of that agreement then he may face eligibility penalties as set forth in the agreement that he, again, voluntarily entered into.

I hate the NCAA as much as anyone and would love to see their power reigned in, but this doesn’t seem like the right avenue and really seems like a serious case of govt oversight.
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One idea I would love to see someone pursue is to just not accept the scholarship and offer to pay normal tuition and expenses out of pocket. Then nobody can come back to them and say that getting this scholarship is your compensation.

It hit me with Johnny Manziel while he was at A&M. His parents are already millionaires, so they could have afforded to pay his tuition, and they would have made that back plus a ton more of he was just allowed to profit on his likeness.

I would love to hear the NCAA try to argue against that.
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mlhouse wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2019 10:42 pm
NotRasho wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2019 3:47 pm
flexbuffchest wrote: Thu Sep 12, 2019 6:23 am Might be the beginning of the end for the NCAA now that California made it legal for college athletes to be paid.

https://www.espn.com/college-sports/sto ... ls-harmful


Now the "student athletes" should have a system that is slightly more fair to them.
Colleges will make it part of their scholarship process to have athletes waive this or not get a scholarship IMO.

The real problem is student athletes not really being student athletes. People like Zion were touring Duke for a year, nothing more, and everybody knows it. Hes not a student athlete, hes an athlete who is taking the next step in their athletic career. I would rather people like that bypass college altogether rather than this sham of one and done.

A scholarship IS their compensation. The only people it isnt enough for seem to be the ones who wont be there in a year or two anyway. I dont feel bad for them, if you want to make money off yourself then dont take their scholarship offer, pretty simple.
1. I agree and if the athletes were true scholar-athletes it would be significant compensation.

2. The vast bulk of the brand value of NCAA athletics lies with the college. Lets put it this way, if you put a team of Amir Coffey-Jordan Murphy-Daniel Oturu-Gabe Kalsheur and Dupree McBrayer together they could not get all of their parents to show up for the game and even less if they actually had to pay for admission. Put those same players in a University of Minnesota Gopher basketball uniform, and even though they are a mediocre team they have local television and radio, national television contracts, and more than 9,000 people paid significant money to watch a very mediocre team play each home game in 2018-19.

3. If they system was really concerned about what is "right", instead of maximizing revenues, the NBA and NFL would set up their own minor league systems. But, they are as corrupt as the NCAA and know that the huge media exposure NCAA basketball and football gets means that their incoming rookies will have huge marketing values for their leagues. Their incoming players play before massive television audiences versus baseball and hockey, non-revenue college sports whose phenoms toil in front of a few hundred fans in the minor leagues when they turn professional (mostly baseball).

IF it wasn't for the huge dollars and power that the universities garner from their athletic programs, they could end the charade of having non-qualified individuals come to their colleges just to play sports. The entire concept is divorced from reality and the lies that need to be told to keep the illusions up are absolutely immoral.

In the long run, I think all the parties concerned would be much better off if it changed. The money corrupts the colleges and universities. I think the student-athletes in football and basketball would be much better off playing in a minor league system like baseball has where they could be paid a salary and practice their athletic craft exclusively. The top level players would enter the league early like in hockey and baseball, other players would have a lot of time to develop their skills while receiving coaching and experience that is the same as teh NFL/NBA.
Here's the thing, the individual players do have value outside of just the school brand. Do you think Joe bench guy is going to get local car commercial offers or do the best players that actually promote the college by being good will get the offers?

Profiting off yourself is no different than having a part time job.

I'm fine with the college not "paying" the players (outside of tuition) but outside of that, the NCAA should have no say.

Why are people so against people making a living? Is it jealousy? Mlhouse for being a card carrying free market guy is stuck in the dark ages of college athletics and personal freedoms. Many of these kids are poor, their families are poor, god forbid they make some money out in the open rather than back channels.
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The NCAA is a monopoly and they are acting like it, look how they fight this all the time, why, because they feel like they are losing money to the players. Fed should probably break it up at this point.
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Moses Scurry wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:34 am The NCAA is a monopoly and they are acting like it, look how they fight this all the time, why, because they feel like they are losing money to the players. Fed should probably break it up at this point.
I agree with that, I don't see that as government oversight. It just shouldn't be a state legislature going after an interstate commerce governing body.

I'd also be interested to see if the conferences could just try to go out on their own. They have the infrastructure all in place in theory.
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Oriole81 wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:48 am
Moses Scurry wrote: Fri Sep 13, 2019 11:34 am The NCAA is a monopoly and they are acting like it, look how they fight this all the time, why, because they feel like they are losing money to the players. Fed should probably break it up at this point.
I agree with that, I don't see that as government oversight. It just shouldn't be a state legislature going after an interstate commerce governing body.

I'd also be interested to see if the conferences could just try to go out on their own. They have the infrastructure all in place in theory.
I like how the NCAA likes to play it off like this is some high ground moral issue when it's all about them lining their pockets. If they really cared about these kids and families, they would do the exact opposite.
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