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Atlanta asks for Beasley and a 1st for Collins

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Re: Atlanta asks for Beasley and a 1st for Collins

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LordNu wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:22 pm
jodaman01 wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:13 pm DLO
ANT
JADEN
COLLINS
KAT

vs

DLO
BEASLEY
ANT
JADEN/V8/MACHO JAUNCHO
KAT

Rosas choked.

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Dude, we didn't have a first... If it was simply Beasley for Collins it would have happened.
The Wolves could have gave out a future 1st, couldn’t they? I don’t believe it had to be this draft.
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Re: Atlanta asks for Beasley and a 1st for Collins

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jodaman01 wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:27 pm
LordNu wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:22 pm
jodaman01 wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:13 pm DLO
ANT
JADEN
COLLINS
KAT

vs

DLO
BEASLEY
ANT
JADEN/V8/MACHO JAUNCHO
KAT

Rosas choked.

GO WOLVES!! :thumbsup:
Dude, we didn't have a first... If it was simply Beasley for Collins it would have happened.
The Wolves could have gave out a future 1st, couldn’t they? I don’t believe it had to be this draft.
No they couldn't, from what I understand. You're unable to give out consecutive firsts. In saying that, I don't know how far ahead we can give out our picks, but the protections on our first may be a reason why we couldn't either (i.e. if we gave out 2022 first for Collins, but ended up keeping 2021 years it would mean the 2022 pick would go to GS, and not Atlanta.)
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Re: Atlanta asks for Beasley and a 1st for Collins

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Style wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:27 pm
LordNu wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:22 pm
jodaman01 wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:13 pm DLO
ANT
JADEN
COLLINS
KAT

vs

DLO
BEASLEY
ANT
JADEN/V8/MACHO JAUNCHO
KAT

Rosas choked.

GO WOLVES!! :thumbsup:
Dude, we didn't have a first... If it was simply Beasley for Collins it would have happened.
Just ignore him. It’s one thing to lean a certain direction, but it’s another to not even paint an accurate picture.

In a March Madness bracket of poor posters, Joda and DH would be #1 seed locks.
I am semi-surprised the thread had to resurface. I totally believe if Collins could be had for a decent sum, we would have him.
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Re: Atlanta asks for Beasley and a 1st for Collins

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LordNu wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:31 pm
jodaman01 wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:27 pm
LordNu wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:22 pm

Dude, we didn't have a first... If it was simply Beasley for Collins it would have happened.
The Wolves could have gave out a future 1st, couldn’t they? I don’t believe it had to be this draft.
No they couldn't, from what I understand. You're unable to give out consecutive firsts. In saying that, I don't know how far ahead we can give out our picks, but the protections on our first may be a reason why we couldn't either (i.e. if we gave out 2022 first for Collins, but ended up keeping 2021 years it would mean the 2022 pick would go to GS, and not Atlanta.)
We need Adam Silver.

Why would Atlanta be asking for Beasley and a first from the Wolves if that was the case? Doesn’t make sense.
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Style wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:27 pm
LordNu wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:22 pm
jodaman01 wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:13 pm DLO
ANT
JADEN
COLLINS
KAT

vs

DLO
BEASLEY
ANT
JADEN/V8/MACHO JAUNCHO
KAT

Rosas choked.

GO WOLVES!! :thumbsup:
Dude, we didn't have a first... If it was simply Beasley for Collins it would have happened.
Just ignore him. It’s one thing to lean a certain direction, but it’s another to not even paint an accurate picture.

In a March Madness bracket of poor posters, Joda and DH would be #1 seed locks.
Maybe you need to talk to the guy that put out the Tweet (he only has like a quarter million followers) and the guy that made this thread.

I’m going with the information provided to us, not making it up.
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Re: Atlanta asks for Beasley and a 1st for Collins

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jodaman01 wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:37 pm
LordNu wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:31 pm
jodaman01 wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:27 pm

The Wolves could have gave out a future 1st, couldn’t they? I don’t believe it had to be this draft.
No they couldn't, from what I understand. You're unable to give out consecutive firsts. In saying that, I don't know how far ahead we can give out our picks, but the protections on our first may be a reason why we couldn't either (i.e. if we gave out 2022 first for Collins, but ended up keeping 2021 years it would mean the 2022 pick would go to GS, and not Atlanta.)
We need Adam Silver.

Why would Atlanta be asking for Beasley and a first from the Wolves if that was the case? Doesn’t make sense.
I got the sense they wanted us to trade Rubio for a first, so in effect it'd be a three team trade.

Let it be Joda, let it be...
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LordNu wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:06 pm
jodaman01 wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:37 pm
LordNu wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:31 pm

No they couldn't, from what I understand. You're unable to give out consecutive firsts. In saying that, I don't know how far ahead we can give out our picks, but the protections on our first may be a reason why we couldn't either (i.e. if we gave out 2022 first for Collins, but ended up keeping 2021 years it would mean the 2022 pick would go to GS, and not Atlanta.)
We need Adam Silver.

Why would Atlanta be asking for Beasley and a first from the Wolves if that was the case? Doesn’t make sense.
I got the sense they wanted us to trade Rubio for a first, so in effect it'd be a three team trade.

Let it be Joda, let it be...
If Atlanta doesn’t max Collins - it will come up again.
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this team would be better if they could create first round picks out of thin air like Joda can.
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They could have dumped another first in like 2024 or beyond which would have been absolutely idiotic given that he's a RFA this summer. So either offer a max then or trade a first in a season that has been in the cess tank since January and then max him this summer with another pick out the window.

Which option seems like a better idea?
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Long term, we will have:

DLO/???
Beasley/Nowell (maybe)
Ant/???
????/McDaniels
KAT/Naz

That above roster is costing 113 million in 2022-23.

I'm going to assume by 2022, Rubio, Juancho (not guaranteed), Okogie, Culver, Layman, Vando are all gone due to the current PT and contract expirations.

Those expiring's have to be used but we have no assets other than expiring's. Going to be interesting how he manages this.
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Eroder wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:13 pm That settles it. Hoop is right!
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Much more inclined to go after him in a S&T. The ask should be reasonable with respect to assets, but definitely not free.
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DLO, Ant, McDaniels, Collins, Towns would be nice.

Be so great to tell Jaden, you don't need to "do" anything, just fly around and disrupt.
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Totally would like to expand the deal.

Getting back Reddish would be huge. Hueter would be a nice piece too. They aint moving Hunter.
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jodaman01 wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:34 pm
LordNu wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 11:06 pm
jodaman01 wrote: Sun Apr 11, 2021 10:37 pm

We need Adam Silver.

Why would Atlanta be asking for Beasley and a first from the Wolves if that was the case? Doesn’t make sense.
I got the sense they wanted us to trade Rubio for a first, so in effect it'd be a three team trade.

Let it be Joda, let it be...
If Atlanta doesn’t max Collins - it will come up again.
Cue the Mac Davis: Lord it’s hard to be humble……

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mglviks wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:59 am Totally would like to expand the deal.

Getting back Reddish would be huge. Hueter would be a nice piece too. They aint moving Hunter.
if they want a first with beasley on the deal, we totally should be getting reddish back as well. if they demand culver or juancho, oh well....
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somuchyummy wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:18 pm
mglviks wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:59 am Totally would like to expand the deal.

Getting back Reddish would be huge. Hueter would be a nice piece too. They aint moving Hunter.
if they want a first with beasley on the deal, we totally should be getting reddish back as well. if they demand culver or juancho, oh well....
Completely agree.

Min in: Collins, Reddish

Atl in: Beasley, Culver/Juancho and 23 1st top with protections. Top 7, 10 or lotto.
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His defense, hustle, and smart play during the playoffs opened some eyes for sure. In that he has a wide variety of skills he can utilize.

He's not just a guy that can score and rebound. If he adds that type of defense to his play game in and game out feels like he's well on his his way to being a more athletic, young, Paul Milsap type of player.
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Moses Scurry wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:50 am DLO, Ant, McDaniels, Collins, Towns would be nice.

Be so great to tell Jaden, you don't need to "do" anything, just fly around and disrupt.
Hard to disagree. Kid has so much energy and quickness. Would be fun to see him just kind of prowl around and be the free safety of the defense.
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YBBR wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:25 pm His defense, hustle, and smart play during the playoffs opened some eyes for sure. In that he has a wide variety of skills he can utilize.

He's not just a guy that can score and rebound. If he adds that type of defense to his play game in and game out feels like he's well on his his way to being a more athletic, young, Paul Milsap type of player.
I’d rather have Collins with DLO, KAT, ANT and Jaden, then having to dump any of the starters just to get Simmons and create another hole in the starting lineup.

Rosas just needs a PF to complete the lineup.

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jodaman01 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:35 pm
YBBR wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:25 pm His defense, hustle, and smart play during the playoffs opened some eyes for sure. In that he has a wide variety of skills he can utilize.

He's not just a guy that can score and rebound. If he adds that type of defense to his play game in and game out feels like he's well on his his way to being a more athletic, young, Paul Milsap type of player.
I’d rather have Collins with DLO, KAT, ANT and Jaden, then having to dump any of the starters just to get Simmons and create another hole in the starting lineup.

Rosas just needs a PF to complete the lineup.

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Interesting toss-up between the two (Simmons/Collins) but I go with Simmons most probably due to the Aus connection.
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LordNu wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 9:02 pm
jodaman01 wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 8:35 pm
YBBR wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 7:25 pm His defense, hustle, and smart play during the playoffs opened some eyes for sure. In that he has a wide variety of skills he can utilize.

He's not just a guy that can score and rebound. If he adds that type of defense to his play game in and game out feels like he's well on his his way to being a more athletic, young, Paul Milsap type of player.
I’d rather have Collins with DLO, KAT, ANT and Jaden, then having to dump any of the starters just to get Simmons and create another hole in the starting lineup.

Rosas just needs a PF to complete the lineup.

GO WOLVES!! :thumbsup:
Interesting toss-up between the two (Simmons/Collins) but I go with Simmons most probably due to the Aus connection.
For me it all depends on what it takes to get the deals done…..more like if they can get done. They both feel like complete longshots at this point. Fun to hear the Wolves mentioned in the mix for big names.

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My issue with Collins isn’t talent but think he is the kind of player who won’t stand not being the Alpha. We have an Alpha and he is 19 years old. I think he will hurt not help us long term.
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Joboo wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:17 pm My issue with Collins isn’t talent but think he is the kind of player who won’t stand not being the Alpha. We have an Alpha and he is 19 years old. I think he will hurt not help us long term.
has collins been stinking up the joint with trae being number one?
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somuchyummy wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:32 pm
Joboo wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:17 pm My issue with Collins isn’t talent but think he is the kind of player who won’t stand not being the Alpha. We have an Alpha and he is 19 years old. I think he will hurt not help us long term.
has collins been stinking up the joint with trae being number one?
Collins and Trae figured it out that’s what good coaching helps do and that Team really played well down the stretch and Collins was damn impressive….too impressive, can’t see Atlanta letting him go. The guy fits the Wolves needs, brings some fire and fits the age timelines. If there was actually a Beasley and draft picks deal at the trade deadline, Rosas should be kicking himself in the ass for not jumping when he had the chance. Lots of other teams now will likely beat any Wolves offers.

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somuchyummy wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:18 pm
mglviks wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:59 am Totally would like to expand the deal.

Getting back Reddish would be huge. Hueter would be a nice piece too. They aint moving Hunter.
if they want a first with beasley on the deal, we totally should be getting reddish back as well. if they demand culver or juancho, oh well....
I wouldn’t trade Culver low.
We need him healthy to get his trade value up.
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witljon wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:58 am
somuchyummy wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:18 pm
mglviks wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:59 am Totally would like to expand the deal.

Getting back Reddish would be huge. Hueter would be a nice piece too. They aint moving Hunter.
if they want a first with beasley on the deal, we totally should be getting reddish back as well. if they demand culver or juancho, oh well....
I wouldn’t trade Culver low.
We need him healthy to get his trade value up.
It would be unwise to pick up his option and I don't think we do, so I think that ship has sailed. Trade him for anything you can get, salary relief, a different reclamation or a 2nd are all viable options at this point, but easier said than done.

Okogie in the same boat.
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witljon wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:58 am
somuchyummy wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:18 pm
mglviks wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 10:59 am Totally would like to expand the deal.

Getting back Reddish would be huge. Hueter would be a nice piece too. They aint moving Hunter.
if they want a first with beasley on the deal, we totally should be getting reddish back as well. if they demand culver or juancho, oh well....
I wouldn’t trade Culver low.
We need him healthy to get his trade value up.
He won't have enough minutes to do anything to get his value up. He's just a nobody who shows no flashes.
Like that, y'all, pop some more shit.
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DonaldDouchebag wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:07 am
witljon wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:58 am
somuchyummy wrote: Tue Jul 13, 2021 6:18 pm

if they want a first with beasley on the deal, we totally should be getting reddish back as well. if they demand culver or juancho, oh well....
I wouldn’t trade Culver low.
We need him healthy to get his trade value up.
He won't have enough minutes to do anything to get his value up. He's just a nobody who shows no flashes.
Hey, I was one of the very few who wanted the Wolves to draft him, so I’m not giving up on him so fast. And I’m thinking :thinking: if Beasley gets traded, a healthy Culver will get enough minutes to prove the doubters here wrong.
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witljon wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:16 am
DonaldDouchebag wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 10:07 am
witljon wrote: Wed Jul 14, 2021 8:58 am

I wouldn’t trade Culver low.
We need him healthy to get his trade value up.
He won't have enough minutes to do anything to get his value up. He's just a nobody who shows no flashes.
Hey, I was one of the very few who wanted the Wolves to draft him, so I’m not giving up on him so fast. And I’m thinking :thinking: if Beasley gets traded, a healthy Culver will get enough minutes to prove the doubters here wrong.
Culver just seems to have this 'just happy to be here' mindset. I'd have more patience if he played with more of a chip on his shoulder, trying to make the case for more minutes. I had higher hopes for Kris Dunn.
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