***Official Jaden McDaniels Chat***

[kilkenny]

Maybe it was an oversight, but we don't have a welcome or chat about this guy. Some positivity....

Coming out of high school he was ranked #7 in the country, while Edwards was ranked #4. See here for class of 2019 http://www.espn.com/college-sports/bask ... class/2019

Yay?

[Philo Beddoe]

Didnt he get benched in college?

[Philo Beddoe]

Do we have another Sad Dog Anthony Randolph on our hands?

https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/uw- ... ng-season/

[Philo Beddoe]

In February, they were talking this kid being a top 10 pick.

In November the Wolves got him at #25.

I think he is not going to sniff the NBA this year.

[kilkenny]

He played through an ankle injury that happened on 1/11 that apparently affected his game the rest of the way.

[HeHateMe]

Would be great to see him get some run in the g-league. He's intriguing, needs to fill out his frame but plenty of upside there. Definitely a swing for the fences pick.

[Ask Not]

In February, they were talking this kid being a top 10 pick.

In November the Wolves got him at #25.

I think he is not going to sniff the NBA this year.

I'd coach the kid hard. If he responds, he's got a future, if not, he's one of hundreds who didn't have what it takes above the shoulders to be in the league.

[j2j]

They’re puzzled by his shot selection, his difficult-to-decipher body language, his Pac-12 leading 72 turnovers, his league-leading 72 personal fouls and those head-scratching five technical fouls that also lead the conference.

That part is fun.

Interesting the #7 prospect stayed home instead of going to Kentucky. Would he have been better under Cal?

[Ask Not]

They’re puzzled by his shot selection, his difficult-to-decipher body language, his Pac-12 leading 72 turnovers, his league-leading 72 personal fouls and those head-scratching five technical fouls that also lead the conference.

That part is fun.

Interesting the #7 prospect stayed home instead of going to Kentucky. Would he have been better under Cal?

The Huskies send players to the NBA every year. I bet the booster checking account is in fine shape.

[bubu dubu.]

He likes to play on the perimeter, so will he be a big that excels on the perimeter, or a big that tries to play outside and everyone gets frustrated with?

[shoteh]

scrawny bull in a china shop

[j2j]

They’re puzzled by his shot selection, his difficult-to-decipher body language, his Pac-12 leading 72 turnovers, his league-leading 72 personal fouls and those head-scratching five technical fouls that also lead the conference.

That part is fun.

Interesting the #7 prospect stayed home instead of going to Kentucky. Would he have been better under Cal?

The Huskies send players to the NBA every year. I bet the booster checking account is in fine shape.

They did have one other this year. Not saying they're bad, but they're not Kentucky.

15-17 12th in the PAC-12 vs 25-6 1st in the SEC with 5 other NBA players. Maybe it cleans up his issues.

[UnFadeable21]

Jaden McDaniels is a solid pick for Minnesota Timberwolves

He’s 6’10 with a 7ft wingspan. He was 7th rated prospect out of high school & number 1 rated power forward. He looks like Jonathan Isaac, a Wolves fan favorite. He will need to put on weight but it’s a high reward pick.

I would probably use this year as his redshirt year in the pros. He’s only 200lbs and needs a full year weight training to add the necessary bulk and strength to play in the pros.

He also needs to learn how to play in a team setting. Last year in Washington, he was trying to do too much which is why he failed. He needs to learn and play a role.


Him and Nowell should both be in the G league all season and win the G league title for the Iowa Wolves.

[j2j]

His shot selection looks pretty terrible in most of what I've watched. If he can improve that, his decision making, plus add some strength, and not keep acting like a clown he might be decent.

[Hoop Dreams]

[shuttlesworth]

Maybe it was an oversight, but we don't have a welcome or chat about this guy. Some positivity....

Coming out of high school he was ranked #7 in the country, while Edwards was ranked #4. See here for class of 2019 http://www.espn.com/college-sports/bask ... class/2019

Yay?

These high school rankings are pretty great. Did you know that Tyus Jones was a higher-ranked prospect (#4) than Karl Anthony Towns (#9) coming out of high school? http://www.espn.com/college-sports/bask ... order/true

[shuttlesworth]

Also if anyone can guess the only two prospects in this database with 99 ratings going back to the 2007, without looking, I will give you $1,000.

Spoiler:

Avery Bradley and Kevin Love

[Hoop Dreams]

[Hoop Dreams]

[mlhouse]

He likes to play on the perimeter, so will he be a big that excels on the perimeter, or a big that tries to play outside and everyone gets frustrated with?

The surface of the story reminds me so much of Perry Jones. Insanely hyped prep player, top ten in their recruiting class. Very similar college stats with both averaging 13 points a game. And both selected 28th in the draft.

If McDaniels is going to have more of a NBA career than Perry Jones, it needs to be recognized he is not a "big". He is a tall wing player like Brandon Ingram. He is a "3/SF", not a "4/PF". He needs to be developed with that concept in mind. If you try to make him a "big that excels on the perimeter", rather than a perimeter player he will fail.

Another note, a huge portion of how he develops as a NBA player completely rests with him. He is obviously going to be sent to Iowa to start his career. But if he goes there and continues with his bad shot selection, indifferent play, terrible body language, lack of emotional control resulting in technical fouls, Perry Jones career will look like a huge success versus what Jaden will have.

But the team has a responsibility too. They need to sit him down and explain his development and role. They need to emphasize team play, learning the offense and defense, constant hustle, do the small things, take the open shot when it is there but do not force everything. I doubt they do that and they will just send him down to the G-L and watch him put up gaudy box score stats, but in reality they will just be true failure. That is how the Wolves develop players - with indifference.

[mlhouse]

Also if anyone can guess the only two prospects in this database with 99 ratings going back to the 2007, without looking, I will give you $1,000.

Spoiler:

Avery Bradley and Kevin Love

I had to look, but Bradley was only a 98. Brandon Jennings was a 99.

But, it is clear they adjusted their ratings a bit. In 2008 they had 18 players rated 97 or higher. In 2012, they had 19 players rated 97 or higher.

In 2013, they only had one 97 rated player: Andrew Wiggins and Wiggins was considered a once in a decade type of recruit. Jabari Parker, a close 2nd, was only rated a 96. Ben Simmons was the only 97 of his recruiting year.

So, take the ratings as a grain of salt.

[boo]

Is there even going to be a G league this year? My quick google search was inconclusive.

[thinktank]

He likes to play on the perimeter, so will he be a big that excels on the perimeter, or a big that tries to play outside and everyone gets frustrated with?

The surface of the story reminds me so much of Perry Jones. Insanely hyped prep player, top ten in their recruiting class. Very similar college stats with both averaging 13 points a game. And both selected 28th in the draft.

If McDaniels is going to have more of a NBA career than Perry Jones, it needs to be recognized he is not a "big". He is a tall wing player like Brandon Ingram. He is a "3/SF", not a "4/PF". He needs to be developed with that concept in mind. If you try to make him a "big that excels on the perimeter", rather than a perimeter player he will fail.

Another note, a huge portion of how he develops as a NBA player completely rests with him. He is obviously going to be sent to Iowa to start his career. But if he goes there and continues with his bad shot selection, indifferent play, terrible body language, lack of emotional control resulting in technical fouls, Perry Jones career will look like a huge success versus what Jaden will have.

But the team has a responsibility too. They need to sit him down and explain his development and role. They need to emphasize team play, learning the offense and defense, constant hustle, do the small things, take the open shot when it is there but do not force everything. I doubt they do that and they will just send him down to the G-L and watch him put up gaudy box score stats, but in reality they will just be true failure. That is how the Wolves develop players - with indifference.

Thank you for that highly bookmark-able content.

[mlhouse]

He likes to play on the perimeter, so will he be a big that excels on the perimeter, or a big that tries to play outside and everyone gets frustrated with?

The surface of the story reminds me so much of Perry Jones. Insanely hyped prep player, top ten in their recruiting class. Very similar college stats with both averaging 13 points a game. And both selected 28th in the draft.

If McDaniels is going to have more of a NBA career than Perry Jones, it needs to be recognized he is not a "big". He is a tall wing player like Brandon Ingram. He is a "3/SF", not a "4/PF". He needs to be developed with that concept in mind. If you try to make him a "big that excels on the perimeter", rather than a perimeter player he will fail.

Another note, a huge portion of how he develops as a NBA player completely rests with him. He is obviously going to be sent to Iowa to start his career. But if he goes there and continues with his bad shot selection, indifferent play, terrible body language, lack of emotional control resulting in technical fouls, Perry Jones career will look like a huge success versus what Jaden will have.

But the team has a responsibility too. They need to sit him down and explain his development and role. They need to emphasize team play, learning the offense and defense, constant hustle, do the small things, take the open shot when it is there but do not force everything. I doubt they do that and they will just send him down to the G-L and watch him put up gaudy box score stats, but in reality they will just be true failure. That is how the Wolves develop players - with indifference.

Thank you for that highly bookmark-able content.

Not even sure what your response means.

[Mplsfonz]

I checked out his highlights and wondered why he wore 2 different numbers at Washington 0 and 4.
But he looks good if he can continue to develop.

[Mplsfonz]

The surface of the story reminds me so much of Perry Jones. Insanely hyped prep player, top ten in their recruiting class. Very similar college stats with both averaging 13 points a game. And both selected 28th in the draft.

If McDaniels is going to have more of a NBA career than Perry Jones, it needs to be recognized he is not a "big". He is a tall wing player like Brandon Ingram. He is a "3/SF", not a "4/PF". He needs to be developed with that concept in mind. If you try to make him a "big that excels on the perimeter", rather than a perimeter player he will fail.

Another note, a huge portion of how he develops as a NBA player completely rests with him. He is obviously going to be sent to Iowa to start his career. But if he goes there and continues with his bad shot selection, indifferent play, terrible body language, lack of emotional control resulting in technical fouls, Perry Jones career will look like a huge success versus what Jaden will have.

But the team has a responsibility too. They need to sit him down and explain his development and role. They need to emphasize team play, learning the offense and defense, constant hustle, do the small things, take the open shot when it is there but do not force everything. I doubt they do that and they will just send him down to the G-L and watch him put up gaudy box score stats, but in reality they will just be true failure. That is how the Wolves develop players - with indifference.

Thank you for that highly bookmark-able content.

Not even sure what your response means.

Pretty sure to troll you in the future.

I think the first part of the post was solid, but I disagree with the new way we develop players. Rosas seems to actually know what he's doing and give them a chance to prove they belong. I won't get into why I feel that way, but it wasn't too long ago we ALL posted that Wiggins lazy ass was UNTRADEABLE, but he found a way, and not just a salary dump. I am willing to give him time with young players and vets. I do think Saunders is on the hot seat though, and I don't think Rosas will have any trouble replacing him.

[mlhouse]

Thank you for that highly bookmark-able content.

Not even sure what your response means.

Pretty sure to troll you in the future.

I think the first part of the post was solid, but I disagree with the new way we develop players. Rosas seems to actually know what he's doing and give them a chance to prove they belong. I won't get into why I feel that way, but it wasn't too long ago we ALL posted that Wiggins lazy ass was UNTRADEABLE, but he found a way, and not just a salary dump. I am willing to give him time with young players and vets. I do think Saunders is on the hot seat though, and I don't think Rosas will have any trouble replacing him.

I get that, but it takes a complete loser to troll something they arent taking a stand on. But that is "think"tank.


You realize that in dumping Wiggins we gave away a first round pick........ so it wasn't that genius of a move.

AS far as him knowing what he is doing, the evidence does not suggest that. McDaniels is a small forward, not a power forward big. He needs to develop that way. And he needs to learn the game, not go be a ball stopper in the G-League putting up points, and high turnovers.

[Thrillkill]

He likes to play on the perimeter, so will he be a big that excels on the perimeter, or a big that tries to play outside and everyone gets frustrated with?

The surface of the story reminds me so much of Perry Jones. Insanely hyped prep player, top ten in their recruiting class. Very similar college stats with both averaging 13 points a game. And both selected 28th in the draft.

If McDaniels is going to have more of a NBA career than Perry Jones, it needs to be recognized he is not a "big". He is a tall wing player like Brandon Ingram. He is a "3/SF", not a "4/PF". He needs to be developed with that concept in mind. If you try to make him a "big that excels on the perimeter", rather than a perimeter player he will fail.

Another note, a huge portion of how he develops as a NBA player completely rests with him. He is obviously going to be sent to Iowa to start his career. But if he goes there and continues with his bad shot selection, indifferent play, terrible body language, lack of emotional control resulting in technical fouls, Perry Jones career will look like a huge success versus what Jaden will have.

But the team has a responsibility too. They need to sit him down and explain his development and role. They need to emphasize team play, learning the offense and defense, constant hustle, do the small things, take the open shot when it is there but do not force everything. I doubt they do that and they will just send him down to the G-L and watch him put up gaudy box score stats, but in reality they will just be true failure. That is how the Wolves develop players - with indifference.

Bingo on the height thing. As I said all through the playoffs good teams are not playing small. Just because Mia was short does not mean the are a small ball team. No one was scoring and rebounding over Crowder until AD and he's pretty good and big.

Jones career largely was derailed by injury. It robbed him of the freakish athleticism that was his potential. He was still tall but didn't have the heart to bang down low or the shot to be a stretch type. Also never had the handle McDaniels has. Players like him to a degree were dime a dozen during KG era because the copycats always want the next exact same thing and their desire for same blinds them to the differences. I really liked McDaniels brother coming out and wanted him to be part of a Char deal. But he started tougher than his brother and has gotten stronger. If Jaden can do what Jalen did we could have something. But I watched both a ton in college and the attitude is the difference. Jaden started terribly and played the "I'm still a star" game and it got him benched. I honestly think the worst thing that ever happened to him was going in the 1st. Giving his ego something to cling to. If he was a 2nd like his brother maybe I feel more confident he goes down and improves as well.

And our one great hope for him is Iowa is either not payed attention to or just says no to the mandate. They play size. Maybe they will play McDaniels at the 3 which is his only position. Maybe he learns the obvious that a bad shot is way worse than no shot. That a handle is more advantageous to passing than scoring. He flashes instincts but they are undermined by his ego. He flashes anger when playing D which is awesome but then does the same at refs, coaches, teammates. I really hope we have a grizzled vet type down there to show him the way.

[Philo Beddoe]

I am old enough where I have seen #25 picks with promise come and go. So I never try to get to hype on them.

Jaden McDaniels is a good pick here. If he is a fucktard that wants to piss away this opportunity, so be it, I dont care... but if he actually puts in the work to become an NBA player, the upside for the Timberwolves is huge, considering we don't have a pick next year. We will need new blood in the rotation. He could be that blood.

[somuchyummy]

mcdaniels joining his brother jalen in the nba now makes 14 sets of siblings in the league. they usually get compared to one another. what's been the story on jalen so far?

they are almost identical in measurement and position - 6-10 200ish skinny long SFs. jalen just played in 16 games this year in his rookie season for charlotte (pick 52) - 18 mins per game - per 36 numbers of 10.9/8.0/1.6 - 52%/38%/82%. charlotte was happy with that - and if the same shows up this year for jaden, we should be too. not sure how his D is - charlotte's big emphasis for jalen is to get bigger and stronger for that end of the court - i would assume that's in the cards for jaden as well. a good point is made that this is sort of a compensation development pick in lieu of not having a pick in next year's draft.

i think what everyone is hoping for is basically jonathan isaac - but as rail thin as isaac appears to be, he still outweighs the mcdaniels boys by nearly 30 pounds. it'll take awhile.