You can't sign him to what is most likely his full asking price before the incident unless you know it's misdemeanors and getting dropped or settled. No idea where and if suspension is in the play, but so as long as it's not more than 10 games, I don't mind it considering what he brings. KAT basically didn't play and we were dropping bombs all over the place....a lot from Dlo, but a very heavy amount from Beasley. I think Dlo, Beas, and Ant are the first three with Rubio off the bench as the 6th man. This also makes now two contracts that can be sent off for a max player with Beas and Rubio, so it does make a deadline deal that much more possible depending on how things roll for us this year.
Ricky has 2 years left, this is a 3+1 no?
Absolutely, but teams that deal star players want guys that can play in return plus young pieces. Rubio is expiring next year, which is useful...and both he and Beasley can make our team and others better with their skillsets. But yes, those are the deals. But before the draft, we had one trade piece that had substantial salary, now we have two that aren't our "star" pillar players. I don't think we need to swing for the fences per say, but having two deals that equal a max salary help facilitate such a move. I think we're a PF away from being a playoff team. Gotta stay healthy, but even if Edwards isn't an absolute beast, we've got a lot of fire power to deal with.
You can't sign him to what is most likely his full asking price before the incident unless you know it's misdemeanors and getting dropped or settled. No idea where and if suspension is in the play, but so as long as it's not more than 10 games, I don't mind it considering what he brings. KAT basically didn't play and we were dropping bombs all over the place....a lot from Dlo, but a very heavy amount from Beasley. I think Dlo, Beas, and Ant are the first three with Rubio off the bench as the 6th man. This also makes now two contracts that can be sent off for a max player with Beas and Rubio, so it does make a deadline deal that much more possible depending on how things roll for us this year.
Ricky has 2 years left, this is a 3+1 no?
Absolutely, but teams that deal star players want guys that can play in return plus young pieces. Rubio is expiring next year, which is useful...and both he and Beasley can make our team and others better with their skillsets. But yes, those are the deals. But before the draft, we had one trade piece that had substantial salary, now we have two that aren't our "star" pillar players. I don't think we need to swing for the fences per say, but having two deals that equal a max salary help facilitate such a move. I think we're a PF away from being a playoff team. Gotta stay healthy, but even if Edwards isn't an absolute beast, we've got a lot of fire power to deal with.
Its hard to say...looking at the roster from a talent perspective it's definitely better.
Rubio running the 2nd team show and getting easy buckets to cutters like Okogie and maybe Culver will probably look nice. They are a better team, how much better we'll need to see.
"Come up off your smooth talk player, this raspy. You stuck on Morse code player, this ASCII."
Absolutely, but teams that deal star players want guys that can play in return plus young pieces. Rubio is expiring next year, which is useful...and both he and Beasley can make our team and others better with their skillsets. But yes, those are the deals. But before the draft, we had one trade piece that had substantial salary, now we have two that aren't our "star" pillar players. I don't think we need to swing for the fences per say, but having two deals that equal a max salary help facilitate such a move. I think we're a PF away from being a playoff team. Gotta stay healthy, but even if Edwards isn't an absolute beast, we've got a lot of fire power to deal with.
Its hard to say...looking at the roster from a talent perspective it's definitely better.
Rubio running the 2nd team show and getting easy buckets to cutters like Okogie and maybe Culver will probably look nice. They are a better team, how much better we'll need to see.
But that's the thing, that should be what we want to see every year, getting better every year. We've got two guys on the roster before Rosas started the show, we're a better team than when he took over, it's not even up for argument. I would love for us to have a stud PF, but we are a better team than last year and KAT is healthy. Healthy KAT, deeper bench, and ability to stretch the floor. Night and day difference from the previous regime. We should be happy more so than skeptical.
We need to get someone on the payroll who goes to Malik's house in the morning and smacks him over the head every day when he wakes up and says to him "Do not do stupid shit today!" We need that guy.
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YBBR wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:58 pm
We need to get someone on the payroll who goes to Malik's house in the morning and smacks him over the head every day when he wakes up and says to him "Do not do stupid shit today!" We need that guy.
YBBR wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 9:58 pm
We need to get someone on the payroll who goes to Malik's house in the morning and smacks him over the head every day when he wakes up and says to him "Do not do stupid shit today!" We need that guy.
Or just a live-in stoner who’s hogging the bong every morning before Beas can get to it.
irishman89 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:58 pm
Rubio, Okogie, and Edwards off the bench will be killer.
Lets examine what this means. You have a team that is a 24 win team (if you extrapolate to e full 82 game season). You get the first overall pick. You make that pick AND HE IS FUCKING COMING OFF THE BENCH?
Terrible team, yet the guy you draft at #1 aint good enough to start? Or is blocked from starting because of your IMMENSE talent ahead of him?
IF the sum total of talent additions we have to this team is Anthony Edwards and Ricky Rubio, which it is, means another long, long year.
irishman89 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:58 pm
Rubio, Okogie, and Edwards off the bench will be killer.
Lets examine what this means. You have a team that is a 24 win team (if you extrapolate to e full 82 game season). You get the first overall pick. You make that pick AND HE IS FUCKING COMING OFF THE BENCH?
Terrible team, yet the guy you draft at #1 aint good enough to start? Or is blocked from starting because of your IMMENSE talent ahead of him?
IF the sum total of talent additions we have to this team is Anthony Edwards and Ricky Rubio, which it is, means another long, long year.
irishman89 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:58 pm
Rubio, Okogie, and Edwards off the bench will be killer.
Lets examine what this means. You have a team that is a 24 win team (if you extrapolate to e full 82 game season). You get the first overall pick. You make that pick AND HE IS FUCKING COMING OFF THE BENCH?
Terrible team, yet the guy you draft at #1 aint good enough to start? Or is blocked from starting because of your IMMENSE talent ahead of him?
IF the sum total of talent additions we have to this team is Anthony Edwards and Ricky Rubio, which it is, means another long, long year.
irishman89 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:58 pm
Rubio, Okogie, and Edwards off the bench will be killer.
Lets examine what this means. You have a team that is a 24 win team (if you extrapolate to e full 82 game season). You get the first overall pick. You make that pick AND HE IS FUCKING COMING OFF THE BENCH?
Terrible team, yet the guy you draft at #1 aint good enough to start? Or is blocked from starting because of your IMMENSE talent ahead of him?
IF the sum total of talent additions we have to this team is Anthony Edwards and Ricky Rubio, which it is, means another long, long year.
Calm down, Rasheed. It's not uncommon for rookies to be given a little bit of responsibility at a time to build them up slowly and then unleash them when the time is right. This is hardly something to lose your cool discussing, my goodness.
j2j wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:56 pm
If Edwards doesn't start they fucked that draft up even worse than I thought. We're not winning games this year, no reason to ease him in.
This is my problem too.
Why did we acquire Rubio if we're managing in a moneyball style?
Rubio is efficient but he's a win-now player during, I hate to say it, an era that is strategically best used for development and asset acquisition.
Rubio goes against the developmental demand-grain best embodied by Edwards.
Sid Hartman wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:15 pm
RT @jrborman13: Malik Beasley had dinner with Gersson Rosas, Ryan Saunders, and company tonight to lock in his 4-year, $60M deal.
j2j wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:56 pm
If Edwards doesn't start they fucked that draft up even worse than I thought. We're not winning games this year, no reason to ease him in.
This is my problem too.
Why did we acquire Rubio if we're managing in a moneyball style?
Rubio is efficient but he's a win-now player during, I hate to say it, an era that is strategically best used for development and asset acquisition.
Rubio goes against the developmental demand-grain best embodied by Edwards.
Listen, I’m pretty clearly not anti Rosas in any way. My comments and support for him on WC has been consistent. But the Rubio trade and now doubling down on another guard for 4 years 60 million is troubling. We should be developing and getting clear minutes for Edwards, Culver, and Okogie. Even Nowell. Instead it’s this half way bs where the Wolves are trading for an expensive vet who doesn’t fit Rosas preferred style, and paying a guy who optimally would be the 4th guard 15 million per season without letting him get an offer sheet. If Edwards is playing behind Beasley and Rubio and Culver on a regular basis, what the fuck is this organization doing? And if it’s Culver that’s the odd man out, what, you’ve given up on the 6th overall pick that can still develop because we need Ricky Rubio and Beasley immensely?
j2j wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:56 pm
If Edwards doesn't start they fucked that draft up even worse than I thought. We're not winning games this year, no reason to ease him in.
This is my problem too.
Why did we acquire Rubio if we're managing in a moneyball style?
Rubio is efficient but he's a win-now player during, I hate to say it, an era that is strategically best used for development and asset acquisition.
Rubio goes against the developmental demand-grain best embodied by Edwards.
Exactly.
Rosas started with a plan where you pay impact players and fill role players with bargains. This year he seems to be going away from that.
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j2j wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:56 pm
If Edwards doesn't start they fucked that draft up even worse than I thought. We're not winning games this year, no reason to ease him in.
He'll start. I won't say he starts day one, with a truncated pre-season and all that, but he'll start. I have 0 concern about that.
I think we need to prepare for a lot of small ball with 3 of Rubio, Russell, Edwards, and Beasley on the court at the same time. Sometimes all 4.
In the ideal world, a trade involving Culver and whatever for a half-way decent 4 would open up. And maybe it will. Maybe it won't.
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j2j wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 10:56 pm
If Edwards doesn't start they fucked that draft up even worse than I thought. We're not winning games this year, no reason to ease him in.
This is my problem too.
Why did we acquire Rubio if we're managing in a moneyball style?
Rubio is efficient but he's a win-now player during, I hate to say it, an era that is strategically best used for development and asset acquisition.
Rubio goes against the developmental demand-grain best embodied by Edwards.
Exactly.
Rosas started with a plan where you pay impact players and fill role players with bargains. This year he seems to be going away from that.
irishman89 wrote: ↑Fri Nov 20, 2020 7:58 pm
Rubio, Okogie, and Edwards off the bench will be killer.
Lets examine what this means. You have a team that is a 24 win team (if you extrapolate to e full 82 game season). You get the first overall pick. You make that pick AND HE IS FUCKING COMING OFF THE BENCH?
Terrible team, yet the guy you draft at #1 aint good enough to start? Or is blocked from starting because of your IMMENSE talent ahead of him?
IF the sum total of talent additions we have to this team is Anthony Edwards and Ricky Rubio, which it is, means another long, long year.
KAT didn't play much with Dlo and Beasley.
So you are kind of adding KAT to the team. That's a big deal
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