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j2j wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:20 pm
LordNu wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:20 pm Davis starts at PF though?
No
Why? or at least backup PF?
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somuchyummy wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:22 pm
j2j wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:20 pm
LordNu wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:20 pm Davis starts at PF though?
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i would think not after we've just laid out 7 for juanch.
Would you start Juancho or Layman? Layman scored better last year and Juan rebounded better, but were for the most part similar quality players. Juan is slightly bigger.
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LordNu wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:26 pm
j2j wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:20 pm
LordNu wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:20 pm Davis starts at PF though?
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Why? or at least backup PF?
Just watching what they did last year, I expect Davis to be our backup center.
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i'd rather start layman. not sure why - just seems like a player that can support teammates in more ways than juancho. juancho seems less skilled and more just hustle. but i THINK it'll be juancho starting if for no other reason than his superior 3 ball and the new contract.
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Yeah, Juan helps with the spacing as a shooter, Layman helps with his cutting. Different ways to open up lanes and movement.
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I keep seeing Layman as backup SF. Okogie or Culver is gone.
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My guess is Juancho starts.

You don’t pay him to sit him.
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Rubio
DLo
Edwards
Juancho
Towns

Culver
Beasley
Okogie
Davis
Naz

Jmac RFA
Nowell
Layman
Vandy
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To start the season:

DLo
Beasley
Okogie
Jauncho
KAT

Rubio
Edwards
Culver
Layman
Davis

Jmac
Nowell
Vandy
McDaniels
Reid
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LordNu wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:08 pm I keep seeing Layman as backup SF. Okogie or Culver is gone.
I would think Okogie is on barrowed time as he reaches FA first and he kind of duplicates a role with Culver. That is not to say both are not trade candidates, or that Layman himself isn't a trade candidate. We drafted Balmaro, so I think you see a grouping that will have turnover. SF and PF still need to be addressed at some level, PF more urgently, SF to give rotational options should Beasley be moved to the bench or traded where Edwards starts at SG.
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Okogie is more likely to stay than Culver, imo.

I think Okogie is going to have a breakout year.
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thinktank wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:40 pm Okogie is more likely to stay than Culver, imo.

I think Okogie is going to have a breakout year.
What is a breakout year for Okogie? Honestly asking. I’m not really sure.
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j2j wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:32 pm Yeah, Juan helps with the spacing as a shooter, Layman helps with his cutting. Different ways to open up lanes and movement.
I see Okogie and Culver as cutters/slashers too. Does adding Laymen to that 2nd unit make them better or do you want a shooter to spread it out and make slashing/cutting lanes?


Seems to me you'd want the latter, but what do I know?
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Beef Supreme wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:25 pm
j2j wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:32 pm Yeah, Juan helps with the spacing as a shooter, Layman helps with his cutting. Different ways to open up lanes and movement.
I see Okogie and Culver as cutters/slashers too. Does adding Laymen to that 2nd unit make them better or do you want a shooter to spread it out and make slashing/cutting lanes?


Seems to me you'd want the latter, but what do I know?
I just had a go on NBA 2k20 (created Edwards) with the following teams:
Russell/Beasley/Edwards/Hernangomez/Towns
Rubio/Okogie/Culver/Layman/Reid

That second unit was hella fun!! Rubio may make Okogie and Culver look like absolute studs.
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Okogie took a bit of a step back last year after his rookie campaign. I'm interested to see if he can comeback a bit and build on his very solid rookie year.

Culver, I think just has a longer way to go. 25% from 3? Come on dude.
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LordNu wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:39 pm
Beef Supreme wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:25 pm
j2j wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:32 pm Yeah, Juan helps with the spacing as a shooter, Layman helps with his cutting. Different ways to open up lanes and movement.
I see Okogie and Culver as cutters/slashers too. Does adding Laymen to that 2nd unit make them better or do you want a shooter to spread it out and make slashing/cutting lanes?


Seems to me you'd want the latter, but what do I know?
I just had a go on NBA 2k20 (created Edwards) with the following teams:
Russell/Beasley/Edwards/Hernangomez/Towns
Rubio/Okogie/Culver/Layman/Reid

That second unit was hella fun!! Rubio may make Okogie and Culver look like absolute studs.
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Beef Supreme wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:25 pm
j2j wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:32 pm Yeah, Juan helps with the spacing as a shooter, Layman helps with his cutting. Different ways to open up lanes and movement.
I see Okogie and Culver as cutters/slashers too. Does adding Laymen to that 2nd unit make them better or do you want a shooter to spread it out and make slashing/cutting lanes?


Seems to me you'd want the latter, but what do I know?
Beginning of last season Layman, Okogie, and Culver were second unit and our second unit was great those first handful of games. Both eye test and statistically. Lot of fun to watch.
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j2j wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:58 pm
Beef Supreme wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:25 pm
j2j wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:32 pm Yeah, Juan helps with the spacing as a shooter, Layman helps with his cutting. Different ways to open up lanes and movement.
I see Okogie and Culver as cutters/slashers too. Does adding Laymen to that 2nd unit make them better or do you want a shooter to spread it out and make slashing/cutting lanes?


Seems to me you'd want the latter, but what do I know?
Beginning of last season Layman, Okogie, and Culver were second unit and our second unit was great those first handful of games. Both eye test and statistically. Lot of fun to watch.
Okay. Fine by me.
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Beef Supreme wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:03 am
j2j wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:58 pm
Beef Supreme wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:25 pm

I see Okogie and Culver as cutters/slashers too. Does adding Laymen to that 2nd unit make them better or do you want a shooter to spread it out and make slashing/cutting lanes?


Seems to me you'd want the latter, but what do I know?
Beginning of last season Layman, Okogie, and Culver were second unit and our second unit was great those first handful of games. Both eye test and statistically. Lot of fun to watch.
Okay. Fine by me.
Not sure what the right answer is.

I've kinda figured Layman starts. I might like him more than I should.

Guessing we'll have plenty of roster mixups as the season goes.
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DLo/Ricky/Jmac
Beasley/Okogie/Culver
Edwards/Layman/Culver
Davis/Juancho
Towns/Naz
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DLo/Rubio/JMac
Beasley/Okogie
Culver/Edwards
Juancho/Layman
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KevinBaconIsNotMyHero wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:24 pm
thinktank wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:40 pm Okogie is more likely to stay than Culver, imo.

I think Okogie is going to have a breakout year.
What is a breakout year for Okogie? Honestly asking. I’m not really sure.
I think just a big step forward in development
That said, I expect Culver to show big improvement from his rookie year.
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j2j wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:27 pm
somuchyummy wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:22 pm
j2j wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:20 pm

No
i would think not after we've just laid out 7 for juanch.
Would you start Juancho or Layman? Layman scored better last year and Juan rebounded better, but were for the most part similar quality players. Juan is slightly bigger.
If we are playing the Houston Rockets I am starting Layman... if we are playing the Lakers or Nuggets I am starting Juancho

I think its going to be about 80%-20% in favor of starting Jauncho.
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KevinBaconIsNotMyHero wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:24 pm
thinktank wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:40 pm Okogie is more likely to stay than Culver, imo.

I think Okogie is going to have a breakout year.
What is a breakout year for Okogie? Honestly asking. I’m not really sure.
1. I think his handles improve to the point where he’s more than just a straight line driver.

2. He shoots mid to upper 30s from deep (+5% improvement).
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thinktank wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:51 am
KevinBaconIsNotMyHero wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:24 pm
thinktank wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 10:40 pm Okogie is more likely to stay than Culver, imo.

I think Okogie is going to have a breakout year.
What is a breakout year for Okogie? Honestly asking. I’m not really sure.
1. I think his handles improve to the point where he’s more than just a straight line driver.

2. He shoots mid to upper 30s from deep (+5% improvement).
This reminds me of something.... I didn't read the story, but saw the headline:

"Wiggins hypes Warrior fans by working on his ball handling."

Poor Warrior fans...
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YBBR wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:47 pm Okogie took a bit of a step back last year after his rookie campaign. I'm interested to see if he can comeback a bit and build on his very solid rookie year.

Culver, I think just has a longer way to go. 25% from 3? Come on dude.
that 25% from three is due to an absolutely wretched start. final half (actually more than half) of the season he went 35% from three. i don't ever expect him to be a great shooter - but i think too much has been made of his rookie shooting woes. he was clearly a deer in the headlights when the season started - and i think as those jitters and uncertainty fades with experience, he'll just start knocking his shots down about the same rate as most nba players.
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somuchyummy wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:15 am
YBBR wrote: Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:47 pm Okogie took a bit of a step back last year after his rookie campaign. I'm interested to see if he can comeback a bit and build on his very solid rookie year.

Culver, I think just has a longer way to go. 25% from 3? Come on dude.
that 25% from three is due to an absolutely wretched start. final half (actually more than half) of the season he went 35% from three. i don't ever expect him to be a great shooter - but i think too much has been made of his rookie shooting woes. he was clearly a deer in the headlights when the season started - and i think as those jitters and uncertainty fades with experience, he'll just start knocking his shots down about the same rate as most nba players.
I wish more players took note of Okogie.... he is sometimes a complete mess on the court. But you know what? He is universally loved by Timberwolves fans. He fucking leaves everything out there, keeps his mouth shut and flys around like a maniac, fans appreciate that.
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Rubio/Russell
Russell/Beasley/Okogie
Edwards/Culver
Layman/Juancho
KAT/Davis

I think that's how I start the season... I could see them putting Culver or Okogie in there instead of Edwards too. I start Rubio/Russell but I bring in Beasley within the first 4-5 minutes to replace Rubio. Goal is to get Rubio with the second unit when it's Beasley/Okogie or Culver/Juancho/Davis.

I think the Wolves will end up starting Russell/Beasley/Edwards/Juancho/KAT though.
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HeHateMe wrote: Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:22 am Rubio/Russell
Russell/Beasley/Okogie
Edwards/Culver
Layman/Juancho
KAT/Davis

I think that's how I start the season... I could see them putting Culver or Okogie in there instead of Edwards too. I start Rubio/Russell but I bring in Beasley within the first 4-5 minutes to replace Rubio. Goal is to get Rubio with the second unit when it's Beasley/Okogie or Culver/Juancho/Davis.

I think the Wolves will end up starting Russell/Beasley/Edwards/Juancho/KAT though.
They’re not starting the season with Juancho on the bench, imo.

Why pay him to sit?

Plus Juancho is actually a PF who can shoot threes, unlike Layman.
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It's really hard to imagine what their ideal rotation is. They got bit by the injury bug early last year, so players had to start filling in for KAT, Teague, and Layman pretty early. If you want to make a solid guess, you could look at their minutes against Miami (Game 3). I wouldn't be surprised if they rock a ten-man rotation for a while.

Win v. Miami

G: Teague (6' 3") - 31 min
G: Graham (6' 5") - 20 min
F: Wiggins (6' 7") - 35 min
F: Covington (6' 7") - 28 min
C: Towns (6' 11") - 35 min

G: Napier (6') - 20 min
G: Culver (6' 6") - 13 min
G: Okogie (6' 4") - 20 min
F: Layman (6' 8") - 26 min
F/C: Vonleh (6' 10") - 13 min

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Roster Breakdown

G: Russell
G: Rubio
G: Beasley
G: Edwards
G: Culver
G: Okogie
G: Nowell

F: Hernangomez
F: Davis
F: Layman
F: Vanderbilt
F: McDaniels

C: Towns
C: Reid

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You know they like keeping multiple lead guards on the court at the same time, so some combo of Russell, Rubio, Beasley, Culver, and Edwards will always be on the floor. I'd imagine they'll actually use Davis as a Towns backup to make sure they're still rebounding and protecting the rim while he's out. But I also expect them to share some minutes, too.

The biggest wild card is whether or not Rubio starts or if they'd prefer to have Okogie in the lineup. For example: when they play the Clippers, they can't trot out their ideal lineup and plan to contest Leonard and George. Your only guarantees are that Towns and Russell are going to float around 34-35 minutes. After that, they may be on load management.

G: Rubio (6' 4")
G: Russell (6' 4")
G: Beasley (6' 4")
F: Hernangomez (6' 9")
C: Towns (6' 11")
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G: Edwards (6' 6")
G: Okogie (6' 4")
G: Culver (6' 6")
F: Layman (6' 8")
F: Davis (6' 10")
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