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Wolves Rotation
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Re: Wolves Rotation
Would you start Juancho or Layman? Layman scored better last year and Juan rebounded better, but were for the most part similar quality players. Juan is slightly bigger.
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Re: Wolves Rotation
Just watching what they did last year, I expect Davis to be our backup center.
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Re: Wolves Rotation
i'd rather start layman. not sure why - just seems like a player that can support teammates in more ways than juancho. juancho seems less skilled and more just hustle. but i THINK it'll be juancho starting if for no other reason than his superior 3 ball and the new contract.
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Re: Wolves Rotation
Yeah, Juan helps with the spacing as a shooter, Layman helps with his cutting. Different ways to open up lanes and movement.
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Re: Wolves Rotation
I keep seeing Layman as backup SF. Okogie or Culver is gone.
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Re: Wolves Rotation
My guess is Juancho starts.
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Re: Wolves Rotation
Rubio
DLo
Edwards
Juancho
Towns
Culver
Beasley
Okogie
Davis
Naz
Jmac RFA
Nowell
Layman
Vandy
McDaniels
DLo
Edwards
Juancho
Towns
Culver
Beasley
Okogie
Davis
Naz
Jmac RFA
Nowell
Layman
Vandy
McDaniels
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Re: Wolves Rotation
To start the season:
DLo
Beasley
Okogie
Jauncho
KAT
Rubio
Edwards
Culver
Layman
Davis
Jmac
Nowell
Vandy
McDaniels
Reid
DLo
Beasley
Okogie
Jauncho
KAT
Rubio
Edwards
Culver
Layman
Davis
Jmac
Nowell
Vandy
McDaniels
Reid
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Re: Wolves Rotation
I would think Okogie is on barrowed time as he reaches FA first and he kind of duplicates a role with Culver. That is not to say both are not trade candidates, or that Layman himself isn't a trade candidate. We drafted Balmaro, so I think you see a grouping that will have turnover. SF and PF still need to be addressed at some level, PF more urgently, SF to give rotational options should Beasley be moved to the bench or traded where Edwards starts at SG.
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Re: Wolves Rotation
Okogie is more likely to stay than Culver, imo.
I think Okogie is going to have a breakout year.
I think Okogie is going to have a breakout year.
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Re: Wolves Rotation
I see Okogie and Culver as cutters/slashers too. Does adding Laymen to that 2nd unit make them better or do you want a shooter to spread it out and make slashing/cutting lanes?
Seems to me you'd want the latter, but what do I know?
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I just had a go on NBA 2k20 (created Edwards) with the following teams:Beef Supreme wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:25 pmI see Okogie and Culver as cutters/slashers too. Does adding Laymen to that 2nd unit make them better or do you want a shooter to spread it out and make slashing/cutting lanes?
Seems to me you'd want the latter, but what do I know?
Russell/Beasley/Edwards/Hernangomez/Towns
Rubio/Okogie/Culver/Layman/Reid
That second unit was hella fun!! Rubio may make Okogie and Culver look like absolute studs.
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Re: Wolves Rotation
Okogie took a bit of a step back last year after his rookie campaign. I'm interested to see if he can comeback a bit and build on his very solid rookie year.
Culver, I think just has a longer way to go. 25% from 3? Come on dude.
Culver, I think just has a longer way to go. 25% from 3? Come on dude.
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Re: Wolves Rotation
If you have nba2k19 for PS4LordNu wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:39 pmI just had a go on NBA 2k20 (created Edwards) with the following teams:Beef Supreme wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:25 pmI see Okogie and Culver as cutters/slashers too. Does adding Laymen to that 2nd unit make them better or do you want a shooter to spread it out and make slashing/cutting lanes?
Seems to me you'd want the latter, but what do I know?
Russell/Beasley/Edwards/Hernangomez/Towns
Rubio/Okogie/Culver/Layman/Reid
That second unit was hella fun!! Rubio may make Okogie and Culver look like absolute studs.
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Re: Wolves Rotation
Beginning of last season Layman, Okogie, and Culver were second unit and our second unit was great those first handful of games. Both eye test and statistically. Lot of fun to watch.Beef Supreme wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:25 pmI see Okogie and Culver as cutters/slashers too. Does adding Laymen to that 2nd unit make them better or do you want a shooter to spread it out and make slashing/cutting lanes?
Seems to me you'd want the latter, but what do I know?
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Okay. Fine by me.j2j wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:58 pmBeginning of last season Layman, Okogie, and Culver were second unit and our second unit was great those first handful of games. Both eye test and statistically. Lot of fun to watch.Beef Supreme wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:25 pmI see Okogie and Culver as cutters/slashers too. Does adding Laymen to that 2nd unit make them better or do you want a shooter to spread it out and make slashing/cutting lanes?
Seems to me you'd want the latter, but what do I know?
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Not sure what the right answer is.Beef Supreme wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 12:03 amOkay. Fine by me.j2j wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:58 pmBeginning of last season Layman, Okogie, and Culver were second unit and our second unit was great those first handful of games. Both eye test and statistically. Lot of fun to watch.Beef Supreme wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:25 pm
I see Okogie and Culver as cutters/slashers too. Does adding Laymen to that 2nd unit make them better or do you want a shooter to spread it out and make slashing/cutting lanes?
Seems to me you'd want the latter, but what do I know?
I've kinda figured Layman starts. I might like him more than I should.
Guessing we'll have plenty of roster mixups as the season goes.
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Re: Wolves Rotation
DLo/Ricky/Jmac
Beasley/Okogie/Culver
Edwards/Layman/Culver
Davis/Juancho
Towns/Naz
Beasley/Okogie/Culver
Edwards/Layman/Culver
Davis/Juancho
Towns/Naz
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Re: Wolves Rotation
DLo/Rubio/JMac
Beasley/Okogie
Culver/Edwards
Juancho/Layman
KAT/Naz
Beasley/Okogie
Culver/Edwards
Juancho/Layman
KAT/Naz
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Re: Wolves Rotation
I think just a big step forward in developmentKevinBaconIsNotMyHero wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:24 pmWhat is a breakout year for Okogie? Honestly asking. I’m not really sure.
That said, I expect Culver to show big improvement from his rookie year.
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Re: Wolves Rotation
If we are playing the Houston Rockets I am starting Layman... if we are playing the Lakers or Nuggets I am starting Juanchoj2j wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:27 pmWould you start Juancho or Layman? Layman scored better last year and Juan rebounded better, but were for the most part similar quality players. Juan is slightly bigger.somuchyummy wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 9:22 pmi would think not after we've just laid out 7 for juanch.
I think its going to be about 80%-20% in favor of starting Jauncho.
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Re: Wolves Rotation
1. I think his handles improve to the point where he’s more than just a straight line driver.KevinBaconIsNotMyHero wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:24 pmWhat is a breakout year for Okogie? Honestly asking. I’m not really sure.
2. He shoots mid to upper 30s from deep (+5% improvement).
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This reminds me of something.... I didn't read the story, but saw the headline:thinktank wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 7:51 am1. I think his handles improve to the point where he’s more than just a straight line driver.KevinBaconIsNotMyHero wrote: ↑Sun Nov 22, 2020 11:24 pmWhat is a breakout year for Okogie? Honestly asking. I’m not really sure.
2. He shoots mid to upper 30s from deep (+5% improvement).
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Re: Wolves Rotation
that 25% from three is due to an absolutely wretched start. final half (actually more than half) of the season he went 35% from three. i don't ever expect him to be a great shooter - but i think too much has been made of his rookie shooting woes. he was clearly a deer in the headlights when the season started - and i think as those jitters and uncertainty fades with experience, he'll just start knocking his shots down about the same rate as most nba players.
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I wish more players took note of Okogie.... he is sometimes a complete mess on the court. But you know what? He is universally loved by Timberwolves fans. He fucking leaves everything out there, keeps his mouth shut and flys around like a maniac, fans appreciate that.somuchyummy wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:15 amthat 25% from three is due to an absolutely wretched start. final half (actually more than half) of the season he went 35% from three. i don't ever expect him to be a great shooter - but i think too much has been made of his rookie shooting woes. he was clearly a deer in the headlights when the season started - and i think as those jitters and uncertainty fades with experience, he'll just start knocking his shots down about the same rate as most nba players.
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Re: Wolves Rotation
Rubio/Russell
Russell/Beasley/Okogie
Edwards/Culver
Layman/Juancho
KAT/Davis
I think that's how I start the season... I could see them putting Culver or Okogie in there instead of Edwards too. I start Rubio/Russell but I bring in Beasley within the first 4-5 minutes to replace Rubio. Goal is to get Rubio with the second unit when it's Beasley/Okogie or Culver/Juancho/Davis.
I think the Wolves will end up starting Russell/Beasley/Edwards/Juancho/KAT though.
Russell/Beasley/Okogie
Edwards/Culver
Layman/Juancho
KAT/Davis
I think that's how I start the season... I could see them putting Culver or Okogie in there instead of Edwards too. I start Rubio/Russell but I bring in Beasley within the first 4-5 minutes to replace Rubio. Goal is to get Rubio with the second unit when it's Beasley/Okogie or Culver/Juancho/Davis.
I think the Wolves will end up starting Russell/Beasley/Edwards/Juancho/KAT though.
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They’re not starting the season with Juancho on the bench, imo.HeHateMe wrote: ↑Mon Nov 23, 2020 9:22 am Rubio/Russell
Russell/Beasley/Okogie
Edwards/Culver
Layman/Juancho
KAT/Davis
I think that's how I start the season... I could see them putting Culver or Okogie in there instead of Edwards too. I start Rubio/Russell but I bring in Beasley within the first 4-5 minutes to replace Rubio. Goal is to get Rubio with the second unit when it's Beasley/Okogie or Culver/Juancho/Davis.
I think the Wolves will end up starting Russell/Beasley/Edwards/Juancho/KAT though.
Why pay him to sit?
Plus Juancho is actually a PF who can shoot threes, unlike Layman.
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Re: Wolves Rotation
It's really hard to imagine what their ideal rotation is. They got bit by the injury bug early last year, so players had to start filling in for KAT, Teague, and Layman pretty early. If you want to make a solid guess, you could look at their minutes against Miami (Game 3). I wouldn't be surprised if they rock a ten-man rotation for a while.
Win v. Miami
G: Teague (6' 3") - 31 min
G: Graham (6' 5") - 20 min
F: Wiggins (6' 7") - 35 min
F: Covington (6' 7") - 28 min
C: Towns (6' 11") - 35 min
G: Napier (6') - 20 min
G: Culver (6' 6") - 13 min
G: Okogie (6' 4") - 20 min
F: Layman (6' 8") - 26 min
F/C: Vonleh (6' 10") - 13 min
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Roster Breakdown
G: Russell
G: Rubio
G: Beasley
G: Edwards
G: Culver
G: Okogie
G: Nowell
F: Hernangomez
F: Davis
F: Layman
F: Vanderbilt
F: McDaniels
C: Towns
C: Reid
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You know they like keeping multiple lead guards on the court at the same time, so some combo of Russell, Rubio, Beasley, Culver, and Edwards will always be on the floor. I'd imagine they'll actually use Davis as a Towns backup to make sure they're still rebounding and protecting the rim while he's out. But I also expect them to share some minutes, too.
The biggest wild card is whether or not Rubio starts or if they'd prefer to have Okogie in the lineup. For example: when they play the Clippers, they can't trot out their ideal lineup and plan to contest Leonard and George. Your only guarantees are that Towns and Russell are going to float around 34-35 minutes. After that, they may be on load management.
G: Rubio (6' 4")
G: Russell (6' 4")
G: Beasley (6' 4")
F: Hernangomez (6' 9")
C: Towns (6' 11")
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G: Edwards (6' 6")
G: Okogie (6' 4")
G: Culver (6' 6")
F: Layman (6' 8")
F: Davis (6' 10")
Win v. Miami
G: Teague (6' 3") - 31 min
G: Graham (6' 5") - 20 min
F: Wiggins (6' 7") - 35 min
F: Covington (6' 7") - 28 min
C: Towns (6' 11") - 35 min
G: Napier (6') - 20 min
G: Culver (6' 6") - 13 min
G: Okogie (6' 4") - 20 min
F: Layman (6' 8") - 26 min
F/C: Vonleh (6' 10") - 13 min
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Roster Breakdown
G: Russell
G: Rubio
G: Beasley
G: Edwards
G: Culver
G: Okogie
G: Nowell
F: Hernangomez
F: Davis
F: Layman
F: Vanderbilt
F: McDaniels
C: Towns
C: Reid
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You know they like keeping multiple lead guards on the court at the same time, so some combo of Russell, Rubio, Beasley, Culver, and Edwards will always be on the floor. I'd imagine they'll actually use Davis as a Towns backup to make sure they're still rebounding and protecting the rim while he's out. But I also expect them to share some minutes, too.
The biggest wild card is whether or not Rubio starts or if they'd prefer to have Okogie in the lineup. For example: when they play the Clippers, they can't trot out their ideal lineup and plan to contest Leonard and George. Your only guarantees are that Towns and Russell are going to float around 34-35 minutes. After that, they may be on load management.
G: Rubio (6' 4")
G: Russell (6' 4")
G: Beasley (6' 4")
F: Hernangomez (6' 9")
C: Towns (6' 11")
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G: Edwards (6' 6")
G: Okogie (6' 4")
G: Culver (6' 6")
F: Layman (6' 8")
F: Davis (6' 10")