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That Bolmaro, wow.
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jodaman01 wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:51 am
thinktank wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:33 am
jodaman01 wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:23 am

Which players do you believe Saunders isn’t using in the roles Rosas envisioned for them?
Rubio is shooting too much and running the offense like it’s designed around him. Bad.

Edwards is a capable attacker and passer but not being used that way. Bad.

Juancho is a bench player being asked to start. Bad.

McDaniels gets zero opportunity. Bad.

JMac should be getting more time. Bad.

KAT should be posting up more. Bad.

That’s off the top of my head.



Saunders has squandered a LOT of this roster’s opportunities.
Thanks.

The only thing I see on this list that I would consider being something that would make a difference is KAT posting up more. Him being out takes away any consistency and ability to add and subtract to his role in the offense with DLO and Beasley.

They just need to put Edwards in the starting lineup and play the shit out of him.....live with the good and bad. He has the right attitude and confidence.

Other than that none of this really changes the Wolves current situation much IMO.
I disagree.

To the point, I think Saunders has lost us a couple games so far, at least.

Saunders = -10 wins over the course of the season compared to most coaches
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jodaman01 wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:23 am
thinktank wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:07 am whatever you think of Rosas, keep in mind that Saunders isn’t using many of his players properly.
Which players do you believe Saunders isn’t using in the roles Rosas envisioned for them?

Most of his team is 1-3 players and all pretty interchangeable....you hit the 4 and 5 and you NAZ and KAT at the 5, but the 4 is ultimately Rosas’s complete failure.

Going into his first draft the only absolute clear need this team had was the PG position. He moved up in that draft and came out of it not only with a huge hole at PG, but also a huge hole at PF. He paid a steep price to get a PG in trade, and now doesn’t have adequate assets to address his PF debacle. It’s really pretty damning stuff, and is the biggest reason this Team is currently where it’s at.

Then in draft year 2 I would argue that he fell into the trap every Timberwolve Gm seems to fall into.

I am not making any statement on the first pick. Even in a year when there was no true consensus #1 pick, Edwards was the closest thing to it. What they are doing with Edwards is baffling though. It seems like the Wolves management, no matter who is in charge, has it as their mission to destroy any young talent they bring in. They seem to think there is a Timberwoves Way... but that is nothing but losing.

What is beyond understanding is their choices later in the draft. We are not a true rebuilding team. We need help all throughout the rotation. As I stated previously, instead of drafting a player that can help, a role playing PF like Precious, or a good 3-D candidate like Bey, or a shooting specialist like Bane, our GM's always swing for the fences and never make contact.

So, coming off a bad 2019-20, the only additions that htis team brought to the roster was Edwards, who they cannot seem to get consistent play out of (which is the omen that keeps on giving for Wolves high draft picks). Since we made the Rubio trade, we have zero cap flexibility next season to add any other additions, and unless we get lotto luck we will not even have a single draft choice in the draft. What you see on the roster NOW is what you should expect on the roster in 2021-22.
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thinktank wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:54 am
jodaman01 wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:51 am
thinktank wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:33 am

Rubio is shooting too much and running the offense like it’s designed around him. Bad.

Edwards is a capable attacker and passer but not being used that way. Bad.

Juancho is a bench player being asked to start. Bad.

McDaniels gets zero opportunity. Bad.

JMac should be getting more time. Bad.

KAT should be posting up more. Bad.

That’s off the top of my head.



Saunders has squandered a LOT of this roster’s opportunities.
Thanks.

The only thing I see on this list that I would consider being something that would make a difference is KAT posting up more. Him being out takes away any consistency and ability to add and subtract to his role in the offense with DLO and Beasley.

They just need to put Edwards in the starting lineup and play the shit out of him.....live with the good and bad. He has the right attitude and confidence.

Other than that none of this really changes the Wolves current situation much IMO.
I disagree.

To the point, I think Saunders has lost us a couple games so far, at least.

Saunders = -10 wins over the course of the season compared to most coaches
Likely.

This year I believe that is more subjective due to odd start to the season, new players and unforeseen key player absence. Hard to build when the bricks aren’t there.
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jodaman01 wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:57 am
thinktank wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:54 am
jodaman01 wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:51 am

Thanks.

The only thing I see on this list that I would consider being something that would make a difference is KAT posting up more. Him being out takes away any consistency and ability to add and subtract to his role in the offense with DLO and Beasley.

They just need to put Edwards in the starting lineup and play the shit out of him.....live with the good and bad. He has the right attitude and confidence.

Other than that none of this really changes the Wolves current situation much IMO.
I disagree.

To the point, I think Saunders has lost us a couple games so far, at least.

Saunders = -10 wins over the course of the season compared to most coaches
Likely.

This year I believe that is more subjective due to odd start to the season, new players and unforeseen key player absence. Hard to build when the bricks aren’t there.
Firing Saunders is the first step that needs to be taken and it needs to happen sooner, rather than later. They need to bring in an interim coach for th eremainder of the year to teach this team how to play defense. IF they wait until the end of the season, they just waste another year of the same old same old. BUT WHO EXPECTS DIFFERENT????
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mlhouse wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:21 am
jodaman01 wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:57 am
thinktank wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:54 am

I disagree.

To the point, I think Saunders has lost us a couple games so far, at least.

Saunders = -10 wins over the course of the season compared to most coaches
Likely.

This year I believe that is more subjective due to odd start to the season, new players and unforeseen key player absence. Hard to build when the bricks aren’t there.
Firing Saunders is the first step that needs to be taken and it needs to happen sooner, rather than later. They need to bring in an interim coach for th eremainder of the year to teach this team how to play defense. IF they wait until the end of the season, they just waste another year of the same old same old. BUT WHO EXPECTS DIFFERENT????
Come on. You know damn well who the coach is and it sure ain't the little rent boy. So no one remembers him playing Dieng and Towns together when he got the interim job? Playing inside out? And suddenly he thinks size is a minus and only 3's count? He is the little rent boy for the idiot. The idiot will not give anyone the job that doesn't bend over for him and no actual coach would ever listen to the tool and his ridiculous theories. They are attached at the........you know......and the idiot will keep him here to be the fall guy as long as he can. Then he will attempt to "see the light" and hire a real coach to extend the grift. Taylor and 95% of rubes will fall for it. I hope you are jaded enough by now not to.
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Thrillkill wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:41 am
mlhouse wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:21 am
jodaman01 wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:57 am

Likely.

This year I believe that is more subjective due to odd start to the season, new players and unforeseen key player absence. Hard to build when the bricks aren’t there.
Firing Saunders is the first step that needs to be taken and it needs to happen sooner, rather than later. They need to bring in an interim coach for th eremainder of the year to teach this team how to play defense. IF they wait until the end of the season, they just waste another year of the same old same old. BUT WHO EXPECTS DIFFERENT????
Come on. You know damn well who the coach is and it sure ain't the little rent boy. So no one remembers him playing Dieng and Towns together when he got the interim job? Playing inside out? And suddenly he thinks size is a minus and only 3's count? He is the little rent boy for the idiot. The idiot will not give anyone the job that doesn't bend over for him and no actual coach would ever listen to the tool and his ridiculous theories. They are attached at the........you know......and the idiot will keep him here to be the fall guy as long as he can. Then he will attempt to "see the light" and hire a real coach to extend the grift. Taylor and 95% of rubes will fall for it. I hope you are jaded enough by now not to.
I am only stating what I would do, not what the Wolves will do. The Wolves will do the stupidest things possible.
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mlhouse wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:56 am
jodaman01 wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:23 am
thinktank wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:07 am whatever you think of Rosas, keep in mind that Saunders isn’t using many of his players properly.
Which players do you believe Saunders isn’t using in the roles Rosas envisioned for them?

Most of his team is 1-3 players and all pretty interchangeable....you hit the 4 and 5 and you NAZ and KAT at the 5, but the 4 is ultimately Rosas’s complete failure.

Going into his first draft the only absolute clear need this team had was the PG position. He moved up in that draft and came out of it not only with a huge hole at PG, but also a huge hole at PF. He paid a steep price to get a PG in trade, and now doesn’t have adequate assets to address his PF debacle. It’s really pretty damning stuff, and is the biggest reason this Team is currently where it’s at.

Then in draft year 2 I would argue that he fell into the trap every Timberwolve Gm seems to fall into.

I am not making any statement on the first pick. Even in a year when there was no true consensus #1 pick, Edwards was the closest thing to it. What they are doing with Edwards is baffling though. It seems like the Wolves management, no matter who is in charge, has it as their mission to destroy any young talent they bring in. They seem to think there is a Timberwoves Way... but that is nothing but losing.

What is beyond understanding is their choices later in the draft. We are not a true rebuilding team. We need help all throughout the rotation. As I stated previously, instead of drafting a player that can help, a role playing PF like Precious, or a good 3-D candidate like Bey, or a shooting specialist like Bane, our GM's always swing for the fences and never make contact.

So, coming off a bad 2019-20, the only additions that htis team brought to the roster was Edwards, who they cannot seem to get consistent play out of (which is the omen that keeps on giving for Wolves high draft picks). Since we made the Rubio trade, we have zero cap flexibility next season to add any other additions, and unless we get lotto luck we will not even have a single draft choice in the draft. What you see on the roster NOW is what you should expect on the roster in 2021-22.
Every decision made so far is like a losing blackjack player...doubling down on prior fuck ups.

Beasley who is our best player since KAT never plays, but also has a shit contract. The Rubio trade never made one lick of sense and is compounded further as you mentioned as we dumped a pick and an expiring so we get his horrible play for another year at an atrocious price. Resigning Junacho was only done since we dumped a 1st to get him and Beasley and he's unplayable.

Okogie is a hold over from the prior, smarter regime, and is a bench player on a playoff team, but at least you know his skillset. Culver looks lost and I think on a good team at least get 20 min a game if our player development wasn't completely abysmal. Edwards should be getting 37 minutes a night and the offense run through him instead of the chucker we're paying max money to at point guard. Remember when everyone said we brought Rubio back to mentor the rook? That's going splendidly. Naz, whatever....dime a dozen big man.

They are batting .000 right now on every decision made since Roasas has been hired and some of the future has already been mortgaged. You couldn't make up a worse scenario than they willingly put themselves in.
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T_J wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 12:57 pm Resigning Junacho was only done since we dumped a 1st to get him and Beasley and he's unplayable.

I am not sure what you mean "we dumped a 1st to get him"?

In a true 4 way trade the Wolves traded away Robert Covington, Jordan Bell, Keita Bates-Diop, Shabazz Napier and Noah Vonleh and got back Beasley, Juan Hernangomez , Jarred Vanderbilt , Evan Turner's salary, and a 2020 first round pick (from Brooklyn through Atlanta).

There were two other picks traded in that trade. The Nuggets got a 2020 first from Houston and Houston got a 2026 2nd from Atlanta.

Are you suggesting that one of the first round pick the Nuggets received would have come to MInnesota if we did not receive Hernangomez?
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i still like the trade because of beasley and vandy. doesn't mean we can't chuck the juancho portion of the program. having all three pieces of a trade work out to your liking i would believe is highly unusual. best thing this team could do would be to move juancho as soon as he's tradeable. all he's doing at this point is gumming up vandy's development.
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somuchyummy wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 2:23 pm i still like the trade because of beasley and vandy. doesn't mean we can't chuck the juancho portion of the program. having all three pieces of a trade work out to your liking i would believe is highly unusual. best thing this team could do would be to move juancho as soon as he's tradeable. all he's doing at this point is gumming up vandy's development.
We traded Robert Covington for Malik Beasley and a first. We had to take Evan Turner's expiring to facilitate the Atlanta-Houston trade but exchanging Covington for Beasley and dumping the smaller contracts basically made that close.

I think that is an adequate trade.
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Thrillkill wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:41 am
mlhouse wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 11:21 am
jodaman01 wrote: Tue Jan 19, 2021 10:57 am

Likely.

This year I believe that is more subjective due to odd start to the season, new players and unforeseen key player absence. Hard to build when the bricks aren’t there.
Firing Saunders is the first step that needs to be taken and it needs to happen sooner, rather than later. They need to bring in an interim coach for th eremainder of the year to teach this team how to play defense. IF they wait until the end of the season, they just waste another year of the same old same old. BUT WHO EXPECTS DIFFERENT????
Come on. You know damn well who the coach is and it sure ain't the little rent boy. So no one remembers him playing Dieng and Towns together when he got the interim job? Playing inside out? And suddenly he thinks size is a minus and only 3's count? He is the little rent boy for the idiot. The idiot will not give anyone the job that doesn't bend over for him and no actual coach would ever listen to the tool and his ridiculous theories. They are attached at the........you know......and the idiot will keep him here to be the fall guy as long as he can. Then he will attempt to "see the light" and hire a real coach to extend the grift. Taylor and 95% of rubes will fall for it. I hope you are jaded enough by now not to.
This.

Rosas has a “System”, much like Belichick - only Rosas’s System is complete and utter garbage and he has no clue how to acquire players to play it.

Any coach Rosas picks will fail with what he has amassed.
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We got him.
Like that, y'all, pop some more shit.
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Eroder wrote: Mon Nov 27, 2023 5:13 pm That settles it. Hoop is right!
Eroder wrote: Wed Dec 13, 2023 12:59 pm Hoop is right again!!
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Hoop Dreams wrote: Sat Apr 10, 2021 8:22 pm
How is that an update?
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Let's get Tropical
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Here are his complete highlights. 5 minutes:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eskvQtfNjI

Do you see who he's running PnR with?

6' 6'' is good size for a PG / combo guard.

If he can replace Rubio at half the price, then this will be worth it.

He can't shoot or finish any worse, right?

And he's 20.

I keep vacillating on this deal, but with McDaniels panning out, now I'm back to liking it.
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Break out the BonerBot!!

With ANT looking like a future Stud, Jaden looking like a potential longterm starter, and this guy showing some real skills....

If the Wolves go all out here at the end and show they may be a playoff Team next season.....if they lose the pick this season it will sting a lot less. I would be happier if they just start winning now with all these young guys.

GO WOLVES!! :thumbsup:
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He turns it over a little too much but he should be at worst a poor mans rubio
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jffl_commish wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:04 am
Does this tweet mean the Timberwolves are working on a trade to aquire Pau Gasol?
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bombers3shooter wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:02 pm
jffl_commish wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:04 am
Does this tweet mean the Timberwolves are working on a trade to aquire Pau Gasol?
No. It means they're working on new pink uni's.
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Fun to watch, but still do not see it.
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bombers3shooter wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 7:02 pm
jffl_commish wrote: Sun Apr 25, 2021 11:04 am
Does this tweet mean the Timberwolves are working on a trade to aquire Pau Gasol?
Its finally going to happen. Pau Gasol Timberwolf time.
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not sure if he'll be a big piece - but he looks like he knows how to play some, has some skill and is apparently a really good defender. in any event, he can replace rubio in a year. i'm starting to think that we'll be keeping ricky to the end of his deal - rather than trading him, simply because his shot is as bad as ever. so whether we bring bolmaro over next year as a third PG - assuming we don't resign jmac - or if we wait a year till rubio's gone, to me it's kind of 6ofonehalfdozentheother. he won't cost a ton. campazzo - who i think came to the nba just as highly rated or more so than bolmaro - got a two year $6M deal at age 30. i don't see us having to spend any more than that - and at the least he'll be a smart, skilled, 6-6 PG who plays good D.
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somuchyummy wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 1:07 pm not sure if he'll be a big piece - but he looks like he knows how to play some, has some skill and is apparently a really good defender. in any event, he can replace rubio in a year. i'm starting to think that we'll be keeping ricky to the end of his deal - rather than trading him, simply because his shot is as bad as ever. so whether we bring bolmaro over next year as a third PG - assuming we don't resign jmac - or if we wait a year till rubio's gone, to me it's kind of 6ofonehalfdozentheother. he won't cost a ton. campazzo - who i think came to the nba just as highly rated or more so than bolmaro - got a two year $6M deal at age 30. i don't see us having to spend any more than that - and at the least he'll be a smart, skilled, 6-6 PG who plays good D.
I still cannot figure out why a gym rat type of player like Ricky Rubio has such a terrible looking outside shot. Rubio started out as a good free throw shooter but you can see his improvement statistically in year 5 of his career when his FT% jumped from 80% to 85%. I am sure that improvement was the result of hard work in the gym, something he has not been able to duplicate with his outside shooting.
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rubio's overall play seems to have improved since the break - but if you look at his shooting, that has actually gotten worse. hard to figure out. ricky, just PASS the ball into the hoop - don't shoot it!
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somuchyummy wrote: Mon Apr 26, 2021 4:11 pm rubio's overall play seems to have improved since the break - but if you look at his shooting, that has actually gotten worse. hard to figure out. ricky, just PASS the ball into the hoop - don't shoot it!
I’m no shooting coach but for 3’s his feet come together for a set shot instead of keeping a wider balance, seems much harder to control the shot when your lower half is so narrow
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i'd be in favor of waiting another year. bolmaro is only 20. and i think they'd do fine next year with a PG crew of Dlo-rubio-nowell. i wonder what they'll have to pay bolmaro - if it comes at the expense of vandy, bah. especially if he's coming in that first year to replace jmac and be the team's third PG - when i think nowell is adequate in that role. i don't want to not resign vandy over that. he's been alright, sometimes more than alright, as that hard energy bench PF. he does well at it. in our loss against the pels, he had another somewhat typical vandy night - 17 mins - active D, 4 for 4 from the field - 9 pts - 8 rebs - an assist, a steal and 2 blocks. and he's had his best stuff more than a couple times in the 4th quarter. JV is not a bad guy to have on the squad.
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somuchyummy wrote: Mon May 03, 2021 7:25 pm i'd be in favor of waiting another year. bolmaro is only 20. and i think they'd do fine next year with a PG crew of Dlo-rubio-nowell. i wonder what they'll have to pay bolmaro - if it comes at the expense of vandy, bah. especially if he's coming in that first year to replace jmac and be the team's third PG - when i think nowell is adequate in that role. i don't want to not resign vandy over that. he's been alright, sometimes more than alright, as that hard energy bench PF. he does well at it. in our loss against the pels, he had another somewhat typical vandy night - 17 mins - active D, 4 for 4 from the field - 9 pts - 8 rebs - an assist, a steal and 2 blocks. and he's had his best stuff more than a couple times in the 4th quarter. JV is not a bad guy to have on the squad.
What will they have to pay Balmero? Rookie scale for where he was drafted, plus up to 20%.
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