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*** Official Anthony Edwards Chat ***
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I still take Edwards. He can learn how to get better on D. But he has that kind of killer swag that most 19 year old do not.D_H wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 3:09 pmOn both ends of the floor And contributing to an elite team Eventually - yes. I don’t believe guys that only play one side the ball will ever win at a high-level in the NBA - I think that’s been proven over the years.
Don’t get me wrong I like Edwards he just needs to get a little smarter with the shot selection / which will come!
Plus, Hali didn't look like anything special against the Wolves.
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We’ll have to agree to disagree. I believe Ant is the lowest Rated defender in the NBA right now - that’s just not winning basketball especially when you have Anthony towns & D’Angelo Russell as teammates. That’s basically three of the worst defenders at their position in the NBA. Without exception - good teams play defense at a high-level.Mplsfonz wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:01 pmI still take Edwards. He can learn how to get better on D. But he has that kind of killer swag that most 19 year old do not.D_H wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 3:09 pmOn both ends of the floor And contributing to an elite team Eventually - yes. I don’t believe guys that only play one side the ball will ever win at a high-level in the NBA - I think that’s been proven over the years.
Don’t get me wrong I like Edwards he just needs to get a little smarter with the shot selection / which will come!
Plus, Hali didn't look like anything special against the Wolves.
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I don't really use stats as a tool, but from the little I have seen from Hali, he doesn't look dominant at all on D, and his +/- ratio looks bad.D_H wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:04 pmWe’ll have to agree to disagree. I believe Ant is the lowest Rated defender in the NBA right now - that’s just not winning basketball especially when you have Anthony towns & D’Angelo Russell as teammates. That’s basically three of the worst defenders at their position in the NBA. Without exception - good teams play defense at a high-level.Mplsfonz wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:01 pmI still take Edwards. He can learn how to get better on D. But he has that kind of killer swag that most 19 year old do not.D_H wrote: ↑Sat Apr 03, 2021 3:09 pm
On both ends of the floor And contributing to an elite team Eventually - yes. I don’t believe guys that only play one side the ball will ever win at a high-level in the NBA - I think that’s been proven over the years.
Don’t get me wrong I like Edwards he just needs to get a little smarter with the shot selection / which will come!
Plus, Hali didn't look like anything special against the Wolves.
I don't mind the disagreement, but I think we got the better of the two players.
But....considering how far Hali fell in the draft, Sacto got a good player that late. So, there's that.
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I believe Halliburton is number one in rookie rankings so the people that look at that kind of stuff, and NBA coaches understand his value. I don’t expect most fans to get it -They only watch their favorite team play and obviously have built-in bias. Ben Simmons never gets voted to the All-Star team by the fans but the coaches that understand the game put him in the All-Star game every year. 50% the game is played on the defensive end of the court.Mplsfonz wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:13 pmI don't really use stats as a tool, but from the little I have seen from Hali, he doesn't look dominant at all on D, and his +/- ratio looks bad.D_H wrote: ↑Wed Apr 07, 2021 1:04 pmWe’ll have to agree to disagree. I believe Ant is the lowest Rated defender in the NBA right now - that’s just not winning basketball especially when you have Anthony towns & D’Angelo Russell as teammates. That’s basically three of the worst defenders at their position in the NBA. Without exception - good teams play defense at a high-level.
I don't mind the disagreement, but I think we got the better of the two players.
But....considering how far Hali fell in the draft, Sacto got a good player that late. So, there's that.
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It's like they don't understand that they are the worst team in the league.
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It’s pretty clear I love ANT but there are 9 points that he didn’t defend or closeout on last night that had me screaming at the TV. He wasn’t the only reason we lost but he has to do a better job on defense.
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I really, really, really hate the cliche, but are a lot of these guys too young to understand how to win? Most of them have never experience how to win at the pro level. Don't most of the good teams have vets that have already taken their hits in the league and get it now?
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Towns and Russell are basically veterans at this point given they've been in the league 6 years.Moses Scurry wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 12:56 pm I really, really, really hate the cliche, but are a lot of these guys too young to understand how to win? Most of them have never experience how to win at the pro level. Don't most of the good teams have vets that have already taken their hits in the league and get it now?
I'm making this up, but Russell Westbrook makes like $40m next year. Trade DLo, Culver, and Hermangomez there for Russ. He has a player option the following year for $45m or something, but at least then you got a guy who brings it every fucking night. I'm sure people hate his play style and all that, but he at least always plays hard.
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i'm going to defend Ant here. lots of bad juju on this board about his D - and it obviously has to improve. and he gave up a bunch of points in the fourth quarter. but.... you know what else he did, that KAT and Dlo didn't? he put the team on his back and got us back into the game.
we were down by 18 a minute into the fourth quarter. at the 10:58 mark, AE hit a three. then, in the next minute and 52 seconds, he scored another 8 points - getting to the rim on layup after layup, almost at will. 11 points in a 1:52 span - no other player on either team scored a point during that stretch. and after that blast of his, we were down by 7 and back in the game. you think maybe the kid was a little gassed? maybe? that maybe had a little to do with subsequent missed assignments on D and slow close outs? finch probably would have done better at that point to pull AE and get a fresher defender in there. give the rookie some time to catch his breath and then get him back in the game for the final 4 or 5 minutes. KAT didn't lead that charge. Dlo didn't. it was AE that got us back within reasonable striking distance.
we were down by 18 a minute into the fourth quarter. at the 10:58 mark, AE hit a three. then, in the next minute and 52 seconds, he scored another 8 points - getting to the rim on layup after layup, almost at will. 11 points in a 1:52 span - no other player on either team scored a point during that stretch. and after that blast of his, we were down by 7 and back in the game. you think maybe the kid was a little gassed? maybe? that maybe had a little to do with subsequent missed assignments on D and slow close outs? finch probably would have done better at that point to pull AE and get a fresher defender in there. give the rookie some time to catch his breath and then get him back in the game for the final 4 or 5 minutes. KAT didn't lead that charge. Dlo didn't. it was AE that got us back within reasonable striking distance.
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As harsh as a critic I am about Anthony Edwards defense, you can’t give up on him. He’s too talented offensive wise. You have to take the bad with the good.
I was wrong and gave up on Lolvine too early. He was a horrible on ball and off ball defender on the Wolves, worst on the team. Thibs benched him multiple times as well for defensive lapses but he worked hard as hell and became an all star this year.
I was wrong and gave up on Lolvine too early. He was a horrible on ball and off ball defender on the Wolves, worst on the team. Thibs benched him multiple times as well for defensive lapses but he worked hard as hell and became an all star this year.
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Of course the guy who sits there and shits on Edwards defense clamors over a guy who’s nearly as bad but, hey, he just made an All Star team, so...
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You can’t give up on a 19 year-old phenom with some flaws halfway through his rookie year?UnFadeable21 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:50 pm As harsh as a critic I am about Anthony Edwards defense, you can’t give up on him. He’s too talented offensive wise. You have to take the bad with the good.
I was wrong and gave up on Lolvine too early. He was a horrible on ball and off ball defender on the Wolves, worst on the team. Thibs benched him multiple times as well for defensive lapses but he worked hard as hell and became an all star this year.
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Edwards didn't even win MVP of the rising stars game.Beef Supreme wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 6:22 pmYou can’t give up on a 19 year-old phenom with some flaws halfway through his rookie year?UnFadeable21 wrote: ↑Thu Apr 08, 2021 3:50 pm As harsh as a critic I am about Anthony Edwards defense, you can’t give up on him. He’s too talented offensive wise. You have to take the bad with the good.
I was wrong and gave up on Lolvine too early. He was a horrible on ball and off ball defender on the Wolves, worst on the team. Thibs benched him multiple times as well for defensive lapses but he worked hard as hell and became an all star this year.
Thanks for the wisdom, Aristotle...
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We probably shouldn’t give up on him.
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Ant's field goal percentage is finally up to 40% on the year.
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Now I’m not giving up on Edwards and most definitely wanted
him over Ball and Wiseman. But what if bad luck strikes us
in the lottery and we lose our pick to the Warriors.
Would you trade Edwards for Cade Cunningham? I think I would.
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No. We actually hit on two of our top three 1st picks, why do we want to get greedy and try to flip one? Further, why would GS do that? Doesn't matter the position, they need cheap talent to replace their dynasty. If they think Ant is that, we clearly should keep him.witljon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:34 pmNow I’m not giving up on Edwards and most definitely wanted
him over Ball and Wiseman. But what if bad luck strikes us
in the lottery and we lose our pick to the Warriors.
Would you trade Edwards for Cade Cunningham? I think I would.
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The trade would be with the team that won the lottery.digitalwolf wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 5:02 pmNo. We actually hit on two of our top three 1st picks, why do we want to get greedy and try to flip one? Further, why would GS do that? Doesn't matter the position, they need cheap talent to replace their dynasty. If they think Ant is that, we clearly should keep him.
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I understand that, but we're flipping a proven thing and growing for a chance to be as good, hopefully better. I don't see the upside in that, further, if GS is so convinced Ant is the guy they want to take over GS, why in the hell would we move him. They have rings, we do not.
On a side note, Wiseman looks like his knee is toast for the year. Ant just looks better every god damn week!
On a side note, Wiseman looks like his knee is toast for the year. Ant just looks better every god damn week!
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Zach Lowe said on his podcast that there could be a glimmer of hope for Wolves fans and he’s enjoying the Towns/Edwards pairing which could develop into something. (Paraphrasing)
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Nowitljon wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 1:34 pmNow I’m not giving up on Edwards and most definitely wanted
him over Ball and Wiseman. But what if bad luck strikes us
in the lottery and we lose our pick to the Warriors.
Would you trade Edwards for Cade Cunningham? I think I would.
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OTOH, let's hope the ball/wiseman injuries aren't just a 3-2-1 thing going on with the top three picks. and we're next in the queue!digitalwolf wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:13 pm I understand that, but we're flipping a proven thing and growing for a chance to be as good, hopefully better. I don't see the upside in that, further, if GS is so convinced Ant is the guy they want to take over GS, why in the hell would we move him. They have rings, we do not.
On a side note, Wiseman looks like his knee is toast for the year. Ant just looks better every god damn week!
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Injuries are going to happen, they've crushed us, they've killed other teams, it is what it is. Any is built better than anyone in the draft IMO, and certainly more stout than Ball and Wiseman, but a quick twitch can fuck anyone....see....KD, Klay.....the list is miles long. Ant has that KG vibe, like he's just built to endure. He's not even gotten his old man strength yet....I just really can't imagine what he's doing in year three and four, fuck, next year. KAT was a good first pick...he's productive, he's very good. Wiggins wasn't ours, but he was alright all things given. Ant just has so much more potential in a perimeter league more than either of our "top" overall picks. And it's one thing to have potential, but he oozes it a lot at 19. Both he and McDaniels have been just amazing. In terms of overall draft class, not that we have a great track record, last years draft was the best collection we've hit on. I know people love Bey and the idea of moving said pick to get Rubio which turned into Jaden don't exactly agree, but we've absolutely landed two starting NBA players in last years draft. One is a scoring monster and the other can guard most people outside of Kyrie and bigger elites like Jokic and Embiid. I just don't want to trade those pieces because, one, I think they are legit. And two, if a team like GS who has built and sustained a dynasty wants said pieces, clearly they are very good. Ant and Jadens floor look already proven to me, and impossible to move unless it's just a dumb offer by someone else.somuchyummy wrote: ↑Mon Apr 12, 2021 11:00 amOTOH, let's hope the ball/wiseman injuries aren't just a 3-2-1 thing going on with the top three picks. and we're next in the queue!digitalwolf wrote: ↑Sat Apr 10, 2021 11:13 pm I understand that, but we're flipping a proven thing and growing for a chance to be as good, hopefully better. I don't see the upside in that, further, if GS is so convinced Ant is the guy they want to take over GS, why in the hell would we move him. They have rings, we do not.
On a side note, Wiseman looks like his knee is toast for the year. Ant just looks better every god damn week!