Wakanda wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:13 pm
Are the bulls down on Zach or has he let it be known he wants out? Not sure why they make that trade.
The bulls have a new Gm and a will have a new coach. They think Wendell and Lauri are the future and need a playmaker to Feed those guys the ball.
They take Lamelo, get a young prospect in Culver and an expiring in Johnson. Johnson and Otto Porter will both be off the books after this season and that will give them near 40 million in cap space for the 2021 free agency class.
Wolves will have a big 3 with KAT, DLo, and Lavine.
ALWAYS loved Zach and was very disappointed that he and not Lazy Boy was included in the Buckets trade. I'd strongly consider the trade UnFade is proposing!
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Hornets wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:09 pm
ALWAYS loved Zach and was very disappointed that he and not Lazy Boy was included in the Buckets trade. I'd strongly consider the trade UnFade is proposing!
I think its actually a good debate and trade for both teams. Because if you're drafting Edwards, can't Lavine provide everything we hope he can do already? And Zach is the same age as Kat and DLO and already has a relationship with Kat and Ryan Saunders.
Hornets wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:09 pm
ALWAYS loved Zach and was very disappointed that he and not Lazy Boy was included in the Buckets trade. I'd strongly consider the trade UnFade is proposing!
I think its actually a good debate and trade for both teams. Because if you're drafting Edwards, can't Lavine provide everything we hope he can do already? And Zach is the same age as Kat and DLO and already has a relationship with Kat and Ryan Saunders.
It's well thought out and makes perfect sense to me....that's why most here will not support it!
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No. Zach Lavine is an above average NBA player. He’s become a relatively efficient scorer, and plays ZERO defense and not much else and you’re paying him 20 million per instead of the rookie 12 million per. Plus you give up Culver for no particular reason. He was actually good defensively last season and horrid offensively. It’s a trade for the sake of trading, it doesn’t make the Wolves significantly better imho.
KevinBaconIsNotMyHero wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 9:28 pm
No. Zach Lavine is an above average NBA player. He’s become a relatively efficient scorer, and plays ZERO defense and not much else and you’re paying him 20 million per instead of the rookie 12 million per. Plus you give up Culver for no particular reason. He was actually good defensively last season and horrid offensively. It’s a trade for the sake of trading, it doesn’t make the Wolves significantly better imho.
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Wakanda wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:13 pm
Are the bulls down on Zach or has he let it be known he wants out? Not sure why they make that trade.
The bulls have a new Gm and a will have a new coach. They think Wendell and Lauri are the future and need a playmaker to Feed those guys the ball.
They take Lamelo, get a young prospect in Culver and an expiring in Johnson. Johnson and Otto Porter will both be off the books after this season and that will give them near 40 million in cap space for the 2021 free agency class.
Wolves will have a big 3 with KAT, DLo, and Lavine.
Of course Chicago would take this deal. Lolvine is a negative asset imo. That contract is atrocious and they will be lucky to dump it soon imo.
A big NO!
A Dlo, Kat and Lolvine "Big 3" doesn't even make the playoffs.
I wouldn't trade Beasley straight up for Lolvine especially considering their contracts.
I want no part of fragile ass Lauri either.
Give me Carter and the #4 if anything that Chicago has.
“We are nonviolent with people who are nonviolent with us.”
— Malcolm X
Hornets wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 8:09 pm
ALWAYS loved Zach and was very disappointed that he and not Lazy Boy was included in the Buckets trade. I'd strongly consider the trade UnFade is proposing!
I think its actually a good debate and trade for both teams. Because if you're drafting Edwards, can't Lavine provide everything we hope he can do already? And Zach is the same age as Kat and DLO and already has a relationship with Kat and Ryan Saunders.
It's well thought out and makes perfect sense to me....that's why most here will not support it!
Lavine averaged 25-5-4 last season shooting 38% from 3 and I’m surprised how many people don’t want him back.
I think its actually a good debate and trade for both teams. Because if you're drafting Edwards, can't Lavine provide everything we hope he can do already? And Zach is the same age as Kat and DLO and already has a relationship with Kat and Ryan Saunders.
It's well thought out and makes perfect sense to me....that's why most here will not support it!
Lavine averaged 25-5-4 last season shooting 38% from 3 and I’m surprised how many people don’t want him back.
The best team he has been on is 2016-2017 with Minnesota with a 37.8% winning percentage. He only played in 46 games that year and we were 34% with him 16-31, and 15-20 without him. Zach Lavine as a star is not a difference maker, if he would accept being a sixth man he would be fantastic, but he is overpaid to be a sixth man. Like Buddy Hield complaining about being a sixth man I can't see Lavine accepting it.
Wakanda wrote: ↑Sun Sep 06, 2020 7:13 pm
Are the bulls down on Zach or has he let it be known he wants out? Not sure why they make that trade.
The bulls have a new Gm and a will have a new coach. They think Wendell and Lauri are the future and need a playmaker to Feed those guys the ball.
They take Lamelo, get a young prospect in Culver and an expiring in Johnson. Johnson and Otto Porter will both be off the books after this season and that will give them near 40 million in cap space for the 2021 free agency class.
Wolves will have a big 3 with KAT, DLo, and Lavine.
Of course Chicago would take this deal. Lolvine is a negative asset imo. That contract is atrocious and they will be lucky to dump it soon imo.
A big NO!
A Dlo, Kat and Lolvine "Big 3" doesn't even make the playoffs.
I wouldn't trade Beasley straight up for Lolvine especially considering their contracts.
I want no part of fragile ass Lauri either.
Give me Carter and the #4 if anything that Chicago has.
I honestly wouldn't mind bringing in Lavine back if he had smaller contract. For those who says isn't Lavine who we want Edwards to be? Yes, but we would be getting him at a rookie contract and this makes a world of difference for us filling in the gaps.
shoteh wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:57 pm
I honestly wouldn't mind bringing in Lavine back if he had smaller contract. For those who says isn't Lavine who we want Edwards to be? Yes, but we would be getting him at a rookie contract and this makes a world of difference for us filling in the gaps.
Fuck no. If Edwards ends up being Lavine and we take him, I'll barf.
I guarantee there are at least 3 guys in this draft a lot better than Lavine.
“We are nonviolent with people who are nonviolent with us.”
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shoteh wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:57 pm
I honestly wouldn't mind bringing in Lavine back if he had smaller contract. For those who says isn't Lavine who we want Edwards to be? Yes, but we would be getting him at a rookie contract and this makes a world of difference for us filling in the gaps.
Fuck no. If Edwards ends up being Lavine and we take him, I'll barf.
I guarantee there are at least 3 guys in this draft a lot better than Lavine.
Let me guess Wiseman right?
You're downplaying Lavine too much. He can create his own shots, drive in, and shoot the ball at a decent rate. That's what we are expecting from Edwards. I'm hoping that Edwards can at least play a little better Defense but as far as offense, Lavine's game, minus settling for jumpshots, is what we want out of Edwards.
No matter what I hope Beasley solidifies his starter role this year, maybe this will push us towards changing up our PF situation.
shoteh wrote: ↑Mon Sep 07, 2020 6:57 pm
I honestly wouldn't mind bringing in Lavine back if he had smaller contract. For those who says isn't Lavine who we want Edwards to be? Yes, but we would be getting him at a rookie contract and this makes a world of difference for us filling in the gaps.
I think it helps a ton that Zach isn’t on a max. If we bring him here, we could still have the money to re-sign Beasley too.
Booker is on a 5 year 150, Simmons 5 year 170. Lavine is on a 4 year 80 million.
Would you trade 1, James Johnson, and Jarrett Culver to Chicago for the number 4 pick and Zach Lavine.
Then you take Okongwu.
That’s gives you Dlo, Lavine, Layman, Okongwu, Towns.
At 17 you take Cassius Winston
Second lineup Winston, Beasley, Okogie, Juancho, Naz.
I hate this trade for 1 reason only. The addition of Culver. That almost assures that we wouldn't resign Beasley. Okogie and Culver to me are of similar worth. And I love Okogie but Culver would be of far more use with Lavine. Love me some JMac too but what you would be looking for is the ability to play Lavine some at the PG spot and with Culver at the 3 you could. The more we could split up the shooters and the more we could keep from playing Beas at the 3 the better.
Then you take Obi or OO at 4 and for god's sake you don't take Winston. He is not and will never be better than JMac. You take an athletic long 3 that can guard the whole floor like Tyler Bey.
I'd rather have Lauri and their pick than bring back Zach. If it's Zach for the pick and an expiring, I'm not interested. At that point I'd gamble on Edwards. I don't mind the idea of Zach, but nothing about his game is worth the first pick in any draft...we literally all know this, we have seen him up close. Great talent, certainly great potential, but like so many, his play isn't ideal on a winning team. Maybe someday, but I doubt it. I'd like Lauri and their pick in some package for the first, just take Edwards, or trade back to the highest offer is my order of what I'd like to see most.
