Kevin Garnett - “Won’t Entertain Wolves Jersey Retirement”

[Decker23]

KG needs to grow up. He's dead to me.

[Decker23]

And on the flip side... Randy Moss embraces his time with the Vikes, and #84 continues to be in the rotation for Allison, Patterson, and Irv Smith. The Vikings are dead to me as well for that.

[jodaman01]

He definitely didn't have much left in the tank at all...and that's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that he had a year left on his contract, and if he wanted to stay, he could have played that card. He didn't want to stay.

The whole Clippers thing that people couldn't comprehend, was that KG had more loyalty to the guys he won a championship with (that he played numerous seasons with) that were now in LAC, than the young core of the Wolves that he spent a season and a half with.

Dude, the article I just showed you had quotes from him...

"I told [head coach Tom Thibodeau] I want to work with him, but obviously me and [Timberwolves owner Glen Taylor] don't see eye-to-eye on a lot of things and that's how it's going to be"

Yep...again. He could've stayed if he wanted to...He didn't want to, he retired.

Him saying he didn't see eye to eye with Glen doesnt equal him being forced out. It equals him not wanting to be here.

Garnett was forced out.

Thibbs openly said that his voice was the only voice he wanted the players to hear, and yes that was aimed clearly at Garnett.....he was the only player on the Team that the other players would have looked at for leadership on the court.

Garnett had a plan in place with Saunders and Taylor, it was the only reason KG came back and the length of his contract probably was a projection as to when shit was supposed to start in motion or fall into place. The plan got blown apart on Saunders premature death.

Glen wasn’t ready or comfortable enough without Flip in the picture to move on at that point and went in a different direction with Thibbs as Overlord of basketball operations. Thibbs didn’t want KG around and potentially undercutting him as coach or as Overlord over GM and all things Timberwolves.

If you are KG do you stay in that situation? He didn’t and he was disillusioned and left angry........really angry.......and he is still clearly really angry today.

If you want to say he could have stayed another year, technically yes he could have.....but the reality was he would have had to swallow every bit of the dogshit being served and been neutered on the bench and lockeroom with a gag order from above. From everything we see and know about KG from all these years, what option do you think was most likely? GTFO or even more pain in staying for the BS above. Without needing the money he made the only decision that was a realistic option for him.

GO WOLVES!!

[UnFadeable21]

I think it was more the fact that Thibs didn't want him back and people were like "See, a better team than us wants him" It was short lived though as he had nothing left.in the tanknand became a consultant for them.

He definitely didn't have much left in the tank at all...and that's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that he had a year left on his contract, and if he wanted to stay, he could have played that card. He didn't want to stay.

The whole Clippers thing that people couldn't comprehend, was that KG had more loyalty to the guys he won a championship with (that he played numerous seasons with) that were now in LAC, than the young core of the Wolves that he spent a season and a half with.

Dude, the article I just showed you had quotes from him...

"I told [head coach Tom Thibodeau] I want to work with him, but obviously me and [Timberwolves owner Glen Taylor] don't see eye-to-eye on a lot of things and that's how it's going to be"

Everyone knows this already.

Garnett would have been back if the Wolves had any interest and they didn't. He retired and looked for a opportunity elsewhere.

That was all Flip and Smitch. As soon as the new regime came in, they didn't want shit to do with his old ass. It's well documented.

You are correct and Budu is wrong as usual.

Kg was forced out of his last year and no, he didn’t walk away from the money. He was still paid for that last season.

Thibs wanted full control and voice over the org. Kg was very mad about it which is why during the season, he was going from team to team, helping players in practice and seminars but he didn’t help the Wolves.

[irishman89]

KG is a tool. Always has been. Dumbest draft night interview I've ever seen to this day. Dude missed over $70 million being stolen by his non snake OBF. Great time to have this hit the web. Keep it negative, KG. Glen is NOT Flip. Glen can do whatever he wants. Flip didn't own shit, and had no right writing checks he couldn't guarantee would clear.

[jffl_commish]

Two things. One, KG needs to realize this is for the fans, not Glen. Look past that piece and ascend to the rafters where he belongs. Two, KG was dead right about Glen, he doesn't know shit about basketball. Glen needs to go. The franchise will be better off without him. Horrific owner.

[DonaldDouchebag]

Man. I can't believe he wouldn't show respect for one of the best owners of such a class-act organization. I mean, this is shocking!

[somuchyummy]

thank you donald. i'm not the world's biggest KG fan by any stretch - but seriously? again, seriously?!? rubes here bagging on KG, easily the best Twolf of all time and a HOFer that did most of his HOFing at target center to our delight - and instead you're backing the shit on the heel owner Glen Taylor who's kept this franchise in the nba dungeon since forever due to his utter and complete incompetence? i'm at a loss.

[YBBR]

Two things. One, KG needs to realize this is for the fans, not Glen. Look past that piece and ascend to the rafters where he belongs. Two, KG was dead right about Glen, he doesn't know shit about basketball. Glen needs to go. The franchise will be better off without him. Horrific owner.

Agreed. It's not for Glen and I do think KG realizes this, but he's the kind of guy that would set fire to every bridge just so he could stick it to Glen. That's just who he is. He wont give an inch. Taylor wants his number in the rafters so it looks good to fans and for the legacy of it.

[morneaumvp]

Flip passing away so soon changed everything. I have no doubt there was likely a handshake agreement in place to work through everything over time and eventually Flip and KG end up with some ownership pieces in the team.

It all became real to fast and Taylor wasn’t ready to back away.... when it all happened so quickly.

I have a hard time blaming either one at this point for their anger. KG at some point if he really still wanted to work a deal with Taylor to own some of the Team, would be smart to try and get to a workable relationship. Business is fucked up Business, tying such close personal feelings into it only makes it worse.

I don’t expect anything good out of this in the foreseeable future.

GO WOLVES!!

Well said bro, faults on both sides.

Can’t blame Glen because you couldn’t discuss selling a team to a active player.

Can’t blame KG if Glen gave him his word like in Jerry McGuire, my word is stronger than oak.

Wow I actually agree with you two...

[Catalyst]

Just my opinion and nothing to back it but, I think the deal he had going was predicated on Flip being there to act as a buffer and mentor to KG in the front office. Once Flip was no longer available to be that, Glen bailed

I don't think Glen feels KG has the business sense to be a good front office/owner. He was fine with it with Flip to guide and be the primary face and not fine without him. Really I don't care about his number retirement. It means nothing now. They both are to full of themselves to do anything for the fans so screw them.

I am here for the team and the game. The owner and KG can just be as childish as they like...it means nothing to me any more.

[T_J]

I've only skimmed through this thread but people are siding with fucking Glen?

Geezus fuck. He's been an absolute disaster as an owner. I don't think KG is without any fault here but just knowing how Glen has run this franchise into a clogged toilet repeatedly over the years tells me he's definitely not the side you want to be on.

[populousample]

This is who KG is and his ownership share of any NBA team is where it is right now, not because of Flip or Glen.

[flexbuffchest]

I've only skimmed through this thread but people are siding with fucking Glen?

Geezus fuck. He's been an absolute disaster as an owner. I don't think KG is without any fault here but just knowing how Glen has run this franchise into a clogged toilet repeatedly over the years tells me he's definitely not the side you want to be on.

No shit. People are implying that just because Glen Paid him that is absolves all the shit that Taylor put KG through. There is no other player in history who was as fiercely loyal to their organization only to have the owner continuously kick you in the nuts time and time again.

Taylor is responsible for 90% of the blame here.

[memyworld]

It really sums up this franchise that we can't even hold onto and enjoy the only player who brought the franchise a prolonged stretch of relevance. We can't have one positive memory without it being tainted in some way.

[whiskerbiscuit]

And on the flip side... Randy Moss embraces his time with the Vikes, and #84 continues to be in the rotation for Allison, Patterson, and Irv Smith. The Vikings are dead to me as well for that.

Right? wtf?


80 is retired and Moss was better than Carter the minute he stepped foot on the field.

[whiskerbiscuit]

It really sums up this franchise that we can't even hold onto and enjoy the only player who brought the franchise a prolonged stretch of relevance. We can't have one positive memory without it being tainted in some way.

This would only happen to us and you can't even make it up. Literally I've never seen such a thing. KG had a few good years in Boston and won a title and we had him for the bulk of his prime. Never seen someone not go back to get their jersey retired because of beef with ownership. Only us


Fuck Glen Taylor.

[Why Not Us]

Let me get this straight...

If the story is true, Glen offered KG ownership, or part ownership (likely with Flip included in the deal). Flip died, and Glen rescinded the offer to KG...now some of you think KG is supposed to be happy with a jersey retirement consolation prize when just a few years ago he was supposedly offered ownership?

This is how I read it.

I remember talk of KG ownership pieces years back.

[Catalyst]

What I will never understand is how a man could be such an epic failure as an NBA owner and such a wonder of a WNBA owner. The two franchises are near polar opposites. Why can't he translate that success to his NBA franchise?

[whiskerbiscuit]

What I will never understand is how a man could be such an epic failure as an NBA owner and such a wonder of a WNBA owner. The two franchises are near polar opposites. Why can't he translate that success to his NBA franchise?

There's like a dozen teams in the WNBA.


The fact that the WNBA is a success here says more about us than anybody else.

[Decker23]

Two things. One, KG needs to realize this is for the fans, not Glen. Look past that piece and ascend to the rafters where he belongs. Two, KG was dead right about Glen, he doesn't know shit about basketball. Glen needs to go. The franchise will be better off without him. Horrific owner.

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[LordNu]

Just my opinion and nothing to back it but, I think the deal he had going was predicated on Flip being there to act as a buffer and mentor to KG in the front office. Once Flip was no longer available to be that, Glen bailed

Exactly right, the whole deal was about Flip taking over as owner. KG was meant to be the face, but Flip was the one making the decisions. I think Flip would have done great, he was the Wolves as much as KG was. Everything about this is just really sad.

[Decker23]

When Glen dies and they finally retire his jersey, I hope no one attends. The people that do, I hope they boo.

[D_H]

I’m totally guessing here - but Could it be possible Flip promised Kevin Garnett things that he actually never ran by Glenn Taylor? I’m not a Glenn Taylor fan but I think it’s a strong possibility.

[LordNu]

I’m totally guessing here - but Could it be possible Flip promised Kevin Garnett things that he actually never ran by Glenn Taylor? I’m not a Glenn Taylor fan but I think it’s a strong possibility.

Nup, totally doubt it. Glen would have told KG he'd get minority ownership in front of Flip. KG would want to hear it from Glen's mouth.

Geez, you're going DH on us when we don't even have a season.

[Thrillkill]

Fuck cancer. We were about to be a professional franchise.

[RubeTube]

Fuck cancer. We were about to be a professional franchise.

By trading away first rd picks for guys like Adrien Payne?

Drafting guys like Dieng and Bazz?

Sucks what happened to Flip but come on man!

This team still hasn't seen the playoffs with Lolvine, Androol and Boogie Towns.

Jimmy B had to come along.

[Dan33185]

What I will never understand is how a man could be such an epic failure as an NBA owner and such a wonder of a WNBA owner. The two franchises are near polar opposites. Why can't he translate that success to his NBA franchise?

Having arguably the best women's basketball player of all time helps.

[somuchyummy]

I’m totally guessing here - but Could it be possible Flip promised Kevin Garnett things that he actually never ran by Glenn Taylor? I’m not a Glenn Taylor fan but I think it’s a strong possibility.

Nup, totally doubt it. Glen would have told KG he'd get minority ownership in front of Flip. KG would want to hear it from Glen's mouth.

Geez, you're going DH on us when we don't even have a season.

i'm in full agreement here. don't think flip would make up something like that and then casually mention it to KG. ownership of a franchise is a little heavier than that.

[jodaman01]

Another log to throw on the fire......Maybe Taylor knew Garnett without Flip involved in the deal, Garnett couldn’t be trusted not to try and move the team to Seattle......

https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/kevi ... o-seattle/

GO WOLVES!!