NotRasho wrote: ↑Mon Mar 30, 2020 3:35 pm
No updates, considering the last known status I imagine that to be a good thing? She was in an induced coma and on a respirator I believe, if she has made it to this point I would say this is a good sign.
Hoping we hear in a couple days that she has recovered.
I would assume nothing since some of these people are on ventilators fighting for weeks before they expire. Hopefully it works out, but it may be early in her ordeal.
Link?
There does not seem to be any consensus on the effects, timeline, treatment, or length of infection from what I have seen. But I havent heard of anybody being on ventilators for weeks.
Part of the reason, said New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, is that coronavirus patients are being hooked up to the breathing machines for up to 21 days, CNN reported.
I don't just say things for my health... sometimes...
There does not seem to be any consensus on the effects, timeline, treatment, or length of infection from what I have seen. But I havent heard of anybody being on ventilators for weeks.
Part of the reason, said New York Gov. Andrew Cuomo, is that coronavirus patients are being hooked up to the breathing machines for up to 21 days, CNN reported.
I don't just say things for my health... sometimes...
Nipple rings isnt a trustworthy source.
Whatever...lol. Anyways hope she is getting CPT/plasma therapy. As far as a private citizen she has to be high up on the list given her son's donations.
DonaldDouchebag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:35 am
Fucking bad news if you get put on a ventilator with this.
Or so you hear.
I mean, do you have any updated info vs. the stuff I posted? Not trying to be snarky but I seriously want to know if there has been any updates about the fatality rate once you're put on a ventilator.
I still don't know if it's good news or bad news that we haven't heard anything. On one hand we do know she hasn't passed as that would have been reported...but we also haven't heard that she has recovered or in stable condition which leads me to believe she is still on a ventilator.
“We will protect the fanbase from Glen Taylor” -Alex Rodriguez.
Marc Lore - “I don’t care if that wrinkly old chicken roaster has a few more hairs on his head than I do, a deal is a deal.”
DonaldDouchebag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:35 am
Fucking bad news if you get put on a ventilator with this.
Or so you hear.
It you have to have a device breathe for you, that is bad news...lol, there's no other vantage point to take on that. Doesn't mean you'll die, but there's been reports of people needing such devices for longer than a week. Is it safe to assume you are in the "this is a hoax" category?
things have undoubtably changed - either in understanding the problem or technology - in the 30 some years since my dear old dad spent time on a ventilator after a really bad attack with other complications. they tried to wean him off it twice unsuccessfully - his lungs just wouldn't work - and i remember the docs telling us how critical is was to get him off it because once it reached a certain number of days - it was basically NO getting off anymore. i can't remember how many days that was - maybe 9 or 10, idk. long story short - three's the charm, he got off it.
but yeah, in terms of KAT's mom - how long has she been on now? plus they are saying that severe covid19 cases now can leave not only longterm lung but also heart damage. this is one mean motherfucker.
There is little difference between the memory of a real event and the memory of a dream.
DonaldDouchebag wrote: ↑Mon Apr 06, 2020 9:35 am
Fucking bad news if you get put on a ventilator with this.
Or so you hear.
It you have to have a device breathe for you, that is bad news...lol, there's no other vantage point to take on that. Doesn't mean you'll die, but there's been reports of people needing such devices for longer than a week. Is it safe to assume you are in the "this is a hoax" category?
Exactly. It’s fucking rough if you need a machine to breathe for you.
It you have to have a device breathe for you, that is bad news...lol, there's no other vantage point to take on that. Doesn't mean you'll die, but there's been reports of people needing such devices for longer than a week. Is it safe to assume you are in the "this is a hoax" category?
Exactly. It’s fucking rough if you need a machine to breathe for you.
They are saying that even the young (under 49)on ventilators have negative outcomes 24% of the time,...once you go on a ventilator it is not good. And I am in a camp that thinks this is overblown altogether, but facts are facts.
It you have to have a device breathe for you, that is bad news...lol, there's no other vantage point to take on that. Doesn't mean you'll die, but there's been reports of people needing such devices for longer than a week. Is it safe to assume you are in the "this is a hoax" category?
Exactly. It’s fucking rough if you need a machine to breathe for you.
How about you two TV watching geniuses explain to me why they cant breath, and how the ventilator helps them?
Oh....you mean the TV didnt actually tell you how the virus works?!? Imagine that!
It attacks the iron in red blood cells and oxygen molecules wont stick to it, so you can pump as much air in there as you want and it doesnt fucking matter because the problem is with absorption, not intake.
Ventilators arent a treatment and they dont even directly address the issue. But they sure do give the uninformed TV watching types complete inconsequential bullshit to talk about and pretend to be informed.
Now, stay inside goys.
That's a weird thing to call someone. (Also, the grammar is way off.)
How about you two TV watching geniuses explain to me why they cant breath, and how the ventilator helps them?
Oh....you mean the TV didnt actually tell you how the virus works?!? Imagine that!
It attacks the iron in red blood cells and oxygen molecules wont stick to it, so you can pump as much air in there as you want and it doesnt fucking matter because the problem is with absorption, not intake.
Ventilators arent a treatment and they dont even directly address the issue. But they sure do give the uninformed TV watching types complete inconsequential bullshit to talk about and pretend to be informed.
Now, stay inside goys.
That's a weird thing to call someone. (Also, the grammar is way off.)
So all you want to comment on is the fact I called these goys, goys?
I cant help but notice the extreme over representation of your chosen religious group among the voices spreading lies and propaganda. Same voices who push the Train shit, the socialist shit, porn, the PC shit....always the same people attempting to push their debauchery and indecency on the rest of us.
Thats why you are great to me. You are a shining example of the hypocrisy. Within your community, within the tribe, they push family values and conservative viewpoints. But for the goys? Push degeneracy.
So all you want to comment on is the fact I called these goys, goys?
I cant help but notice the extreme over representation of your chosen religious group among the voices spreading lies and propaganda. Same voices who push the Train shit, the socialist shit, porn, the PC shit....always the same people attempting to push their debauchery and indecency on the rest of us.
Thats why you are great to me. You are a shining example of the hypocrisy. Within your community, within the tribe, they push family values and conservative viewpoints. But for the goys? Push degeneracy.
Interesting.
Truth is usually interesting, especially when you only know lies.
Im sure im just making all this up out of thin air anyway. I bet its all lies fueled by some irrational hate! Maybe a heb was mean to me once?
Anyway this isnt the place for it. Feel free to go down to the penalty box and visit me like you used to.
NotRasho wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:51 pm
Heres a hint, from a lab in Wuhan.
The more time and information we get I would say the chances this escaped a lab from a resulting cover-up become greater than negligible, and it seems intelligence agencies are giving at least some credit to the possibility of this is not being a conspiracy theory, that said if you are then going to make a leap to this was bio-engineered, you would be an idiot. The fact is we don't know where it came from, did it come from cave people when conducting research into bats? Did it come from the lab? Did it come form the wet market. The public likely never will know, China has covered-up multiple angles and there is so much disinformation...plus I doubt the US government will in the name of diplomacy or national security disclose to the public anything relevant. Basically, who cares, though we should care, we will never know.
NotRasho wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:51 pm
Heres a hint, from a lab in Wuhan.
The more time and information we get I would say the chances this escaped a lab from a resulting cover-up become greater than negligible, and it seems intelligence agencies are giving at least some credit to the possibility of this is not being a conspiracy theory, that said if you are then going to make a leap to this was bio-engineered, you would be an idiot. The fact is we don't know where it came from, did it come from cave people when conducting research into bats? Did it come from the lab? Did it come form the wet market. The public likely never will know, China has covered-up multiple angles and there is so much disinformation...plus I doubt the US government will in the name of diplomacy or national security disclose to the public anything relevant. Basically, who cares, though we should care, we will never know.
Back to KAT's mom.
If it came from bats they would call it the fucking batman flu, just like they did with SWINE flu and BIRD flu. But somehow in this case they cant narrow down the cause?
I dont share everything with you people, just enough to point you in the right direction. Im used to being out in front of the rest of you and watching you catch up is always entertaining. Nobody ever takes the shortcut I offer, they go through the motions and follow their leaders until they come to a group "epiphany".
NotRasho wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:51 pm
Heres a hint, from a lab in Wuhan.
The more time and information we get I would say the chances this escaped a lab from a resulting cover-up become greater than negligible, and it seems intelligence agencies are giving at least some credit to the possibility of this is not being a conspiracy theory, that said if you are then going to make a leap to this was bio-engineered, you would be an idiot. The fact is we don't know where it came from, did it come from cave people when conducting research into bats? Did it come from the lab? Did it come form the wet market. The public likely never will know, China has covered-up multiple angles and there is so much disinformation...plus I doubt the US government will in the name of diplomacy or national security disclose to the public anything relevant. Basically, who cares, though we should care, we will never know.
Back to KAT's mom.
The odds it is man made are *incredibly* slim. I wont post the entire article (because it's long) which gets into the really nitty gritty detail but...
It is improbable that SARS-CoV-2 emerged through laboratory manipulation of a related SARS-CoV-like coronavirus. As noted above, the RBD of SARS-CoV-2 is optimized for binding to human ACE2 with an efficient solution different from those previously predicted7,11. Furthermore, if genetic manipulation had been performed, one of the several reverse-genetic systems available for betacoronaviruses would probably have been used19. However, the genetic data irrefutably show that SARS-CoV-2 is not derived from any previously used virus backbone20. Instead, we propose two scenarios that can plausibly explain the origin of SARS-CoV-2: (i) natural selection in an animal host before zoonotic transfer; and (ii) natural selection in humans following zoonotic transfer. We also discuss whether selection during passage could have given rise to SARS-CoV-2.
...
The genomic features described here may explain in part the infectiousness and transmissibility of SARS-CoV-2 in humans. Although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here. However, since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible.
...
“We will protect the fanbase from Glen Taylor” -Alex Rodriguez.
Marc Lore - “I don’t care if that wrinkly old chicken roaster has a few more hairs on his head than I do, a deal is a deal.”
NotRasho wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:51 pm
Heres a hint, from a lab in Wuhan.
The more time and information we get I would say the chances this escaped a lab from a resulting cover-up become greater than negligible, and it seems intelligence agencies are giving at least some credit to the possibility of this is not being a conspiracy theory, ]that said if you are then going to make a leap to this was bio-engineered, you would be an idiot. The fact is we don't know where it came from, did it come from cave people when conducting research into bats? Did it come from the lab? Did it come form the wet market. The public likely never will know, China has covered-up multiple angles and there is so much disinformation...plus I doubt the US government will in the name of diplomacy or national security disclose to the public anything relevant. Basically, who cares, though we should care, we will never know.
Back to KAT's mom.
The odds it is man made are *incredibly* slim. I wont post the entire article (because it's long) which gets into the really nitty gritty detail but...
It is improbable that SARS-CoV-2 emerged through laboratory manipulation of a related SARS-CoV-like coronavirus. As noted above, the RBD of SARS-CoV-2 is optimized for binding to human ACE2 with an efficient solution different from those previously predicted7,11. Furthermore, if genetic manipulation had been performed, one of the several reverse-genetic systems available for betacoronaviruses would probably have been used19. However, the genetic data irrefutably show that SARS-CoV-2 is not derived from any previously used virus backbone20. Instead, we propose two scenarios that can plausibly explain the origin of SARS-CoV-2: (i) natural selection in an animal host before zoonotic transfer; and (ii) natural selection in humans following zoonotic transfer. We also discuss whether selection during passage could have given rise to SARS-CoV-2.
...
The genomic features described here may explain in part the infectiousness and transmissibility of SARS-CoV-2 in humans. Although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here. However, since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible.
...
I never said it was man made. I said the opposite. Maybe your post was not intend for me? But Rasho instead?
The more time and information we get I would say the chances this escaped a lab from a resulting cover-up become greater than negligible, and it seems intelligence agencies are giving at least some credit to the possibility of this is not being a conspiracy theory, ]that said if you are then going to make a leap to this was bio-engineered, you would be an idiot. The fact is we don't know where it came from, did it come from cave people when conducting research into bats? Did it come from the lab? Did it come form the wet market. The public likely never will know, China has covered-up multiple angles and there is so much disinformation...plus I doubt the US government will in the name of diplomacy or national security disclose to the public anything relevant. Basically, who cares, though we should care, we will never know.
Back to KAT's mom.
The odds it is man made are *incredibly* slim. I wont post the entire article (because it's long) which gets into the really nitty gritty detail but...
It is improbable that SARS-CoV-2 emerged through laboratory manipulation of a related SARS-CoV-like coronavirus. As noted above, the RBD of SARS-CoV-2 is optimized for binding to human ACE2 with an efficient solution different from those previously predicted7,11. Furthermore, if genetic manipulation had been performed, one of the several reverse-genetic systems available for betacoronaviruses would probably have been used19. However, the genetic data irrefutably show that SARS-CoV-2 is not derived from any previously used virus backbone20. Instead, we propose two scenarios that can plausibly explain the origin of SARS-CoV-2: (i) natural selection in an animal host before zoonotic transfer; and (ii) natural selection in humans following zoonotic transfer. We also discuss whether selection during passage could have given rise to SARS-CoV-2.
...
The genomic features described here may explain in part the infectiousness and transmissibility of SARS-CoV-2 in humans. Although the evidence shows that SARS-CoV-2 is not a purposefully manipulated virus, it is currently impossible to prove or disprove the other theories of its origin described here. However, since we observed all notable SARS-CoV-2 features, including the optimized RBD and polybasic cleavage site, in related coronaviruses in nature, we do not believe that any type of laboratory-based scenario is plausible.
...
I never said it was man made. I said the opposite. Maybe your post was not intend for me? But Rasho instead?
Yep, stupid me!
“We will protect the fanbase from Glen Taylor” -Alex Rodriguez.
Marc Lore - “I don’t care if that wrinkly old chicken roaster has a few more hairs on his head than I do, a deal is a deal.”
NotRasho wrote: ↑Tue Apr 07, 2020 12:51 pm
Heres a hint, from a lab in Wuhan.
The more time and information we get I would say the chances this escaped a lab from a resulting cover-up become greater than negligible, and it seems intelligence agencies are giving at least some credit to the possibility of this is not being a conspiracy theory, that said if you are then going to make a leap to this was bio-engineered, you would be an idiot. The fact is we don't know where it came from, did it come from cave people when conducting research into bats? Did it come from the lab? Did it come form the wet market. The public likely never will know, China has covered-up multiple angles and there is so much disinformation...plus I doubt the US government will in the name of diplomacy or national security disclose to the public anything relevant. Basically, who cares, though we should care, we will never know.
Back to KAT's mom.
If it came from bats they would call it the fucking batman flu, just like they did with SWINE flu and BIRD flu. But somehow in this case they cant narrow down the cause?
The more time and information we get I would say the chances this escaped a lab from a resulting cover-up become greater than negligible, and it seems intelligence agencies are giving at least some credit to the possibility of this is not being a conspiracy theory, that said if you are then going to make a leap to this was bio-engineered, you would be an idiot. The fact is we don't know where it came from, did it come from cave people when conducting research into bats? Did it come from the lab? Did it come form the wet market. The public likely never will know, China has covered-up multiple angles and there is so much disinformation...plus I doubt the US government will in the name of diplomacy or national security disclose to the public anything relevant. Basically, who cares, though we should care, we will never know.
Back to KAT's mom.
If it came from bats they would call it the fucking batman flu, just like they did with SWINE flu and BIRD flu. But somehow in this case they cant narrow down the cause?
Surprised to see Rasho going down the rabbit hole on this one. He's the only one with the real facts, gang. He studied numerology for a hundred hours, you know. He doesn't watch TV like the sheep do.
DonaldDouchebag wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:32 pm
Surprised to see Rasho going down the rabbit hole on this one. He's the only one with the real facts, gang. He studied numerology for a hundred hours, you know. He doesn't watch TV like the sheep do.
yeah, i was wondering. rasho doesn't "seem" like a medical professional. maybe he's been laying in the weeds.
There is little difference between the memory of a real event and the memory of a dream.
The worst thing is all these people having to die alone and their families having to live without being able to be there for them. It's just horrible. Hoping for the best for her.
DonaldDouchebag wrote: ↑Wed Apr 08, 2020 2:32 pm
Surprised to see Rasho going down the rabbit hole on this one. He's the only one with the real facts, gang. He studied numerology for a hundred hours, you know. He doesn't watch TV like the sheep do.
yeah, i was wondering. rasho doesn't "seem" like a medical professional. maybe he's been laying in the weeds.
Like I told Donnie, in the coming weeks you guys will start repeating the shit I have known for months. When the TV (and then ultimately the sheep) start talking about hemoglobin then you will only be 2 months behind me.
I told you dummies to look into the inability to get hydrochloroquine (plaquenil) over the counter, but you guys wont. Which is why you guys will always be behind me, you are fucking lazy and stupid.
why thanks rasho. love you too. always good energy and warm humankindness when you're around. btw, france just suspended tests on using hydroxychloroquinine because of earlier well known negative cardiac effects showing up in patients. it's not a magic cure-all and there's an "xy" in the middle of it. gotta get back to grazing in my pasture. baa.
There is little difference between the memory of a real event and the memory of a dream.
i took the drug when i lived in india for a year - and yeah, it wasn't like a supplement that you popped with no thought involved. it's got the heart issue stuff, plus had the potential for weird hallucinatory night dreams. which i had a few of while there, but that may have also just been because i was living in india and that was a major shock to the system in itself.
There is little difference between the memory of a real event and the memory of a dream.
thinktank wrote: ↑Tue Feb 05, 2019 10:15 am
I’m a successful consultant for some of the biggest and best companies in the world. I tell you about systems architecture, not the other way around.
40 percent to 50 percent of patients with severe respiratory distress do not survive being on ventilators. In New York City, where I was hospitalized, 80 percent or more of coronavirus patients who end up on ventilators have died.
Ventilators fuck up your lungs worse a lot of the time
Generally speaking, 40% to 50% of patients with severe respiratory distress die while on ventilators, experts say. But 80% or more of coronavirus patients placed on the machines in New York City have died, state and city officials say.
Higher-than-normal death rates also have been reported elsewhere in the U.S., said Dr. Albert Rizzo, the American Lung Association’s chief medical officer. And similar reports have also emerged from China and the United Kingdom. One U.K. report put the figure at 66%. A very small study in Wuhan, the Chinese city where the disease first emerged, said 86% died.
Subarudrivingsnowflake wrote: ↑Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:18 pm
Ventilators fuck up your lungs worse a lot of the time
Generally speaking, 40% to 50% of patients with severe respiratory distress die while on ventilators, experts say. But 80% or more of coronavirus patients placed on the machines in New York City have died, state and city officials say.
Higher-than-normal death rates also have been reported elsewhere in the U.S., said Dr. Albert Rizzo, the American Lung Association’s chief medical officer. And similar reports have also emerged from China and the United Kingdom. One U.K. report put the figure at 66%. A very small study in Wuhan, the Chinese city where the disease first emerged, said 86% died.
Stats like this are skewed quite a bit. Younger people if put on a ventilator survive like 76% of the time. None of it is good and it doesn't directly indicate it is the right course, but just because survival rates are poor among the old doesn't mean it is the wrong course either. I would bet it is more that the older a person is the harder a ventilator is on them and is one of many challenges medical professionals are facing in treatment regiments.
On one hand we do know she hasn't passed as that would have been reported...but we also haven't heard that she has recovered or in stable condition which leads me to believe she is still on a ventilator. 
