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Evans, Spellman, Vanderbilt to Iowa

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According to Hoopshype as of today.

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https://www.nba.com/timberwolves/news/m ... t-g-league
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I saw that earlier off Realgm....and it's a good thing, they should be getting minutes somewhere. One could argue they could get a look with the big squad, but in reality, full run down there will be better for their development than garbage time with us.
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digitalwolf wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:38 pm I saw that earlier off Realgm....and it's a good thing, they should be getting minutes somewhere. One could argue they could get a look with the big squad, but in reality, full run down there will be better for their development than garbage time with us.
Spellman should get every opportunity to take Hurmanmunster's spot but we for no legit reason won't play 2 bigs.
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Thrillkill wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:41 pm
digitalwolf wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:38 pm I saw that earlier off Realgm....and it's a good thing, they should be getting minutes somewhere. One could argue they could get a look with the big squad, but in reality, full run down there will be better for their development than garbage time with us.
Spellman should get every opportunity to take Hurmanmunster's spot but we for no legit reason won't play 2 bigs.
My problem with Spellman is he's very similar to a guy we already have, Naz. Both guys need to work on their body, but if Spellman has to do that in G league, so be it. Frankly, they are both too fat. Juancho and James Johnson on the other hand are simply way better athletes and can run the floor. I think it's because of that more than our idea of playing two bigs. Spellman, Juancho, JJ, and Naz are literally all the same height, but two guys are clearly heads and shoulders above the other two in terms of body condition.

Juancho's small sample size as a starter has him at 15 and 6 shooting nearly 43% from deep. If Spellman is lighting it up in G league, maybe he should get called up....but Juancho looks pretty decent. (again, in a short sample size)
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digitalwolf wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 2:38 pm I saw that earlier off Realgm....and it's a good thing, they should be getting minutes somewhere. One could argue they could get a look with the big squad, but in reality, full run down there will be better for their development than garbage time with us.
I agree. It makes sense with Layman back. Have Layman backup JH until he gets his conditioning back. Move JJ to the 5 with Reid and now you have your rotation. Hopefully Vanderbilt has a breakthrough in the G league and proves he has some value (either playing or trade.)
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If Towns is still out, not sure how this makes sense
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morneaumvp wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:32 pm If Towns is still out, not sure how this makes sense
Towns out and Layman back. Layman plays backup 4. JJ moves to the 5. JH/Layman at the 4, JJ/Reid 5. When Kat is back you can move Layman to the 3, Culver to the 2 and keep those three in Iowa if you want.
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Layman is officially back?
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j2j wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 4:19 pm Layman is officially back?
I'm gonna say no. The last I heard anything about him was...two weeks ago?
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Spellman has been down there a week or so already. Played a few games and did well according to the stats.

Evans as well, but not that great.
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And these are the mostly likely guys to be traded/waived per our wishes...how odd.
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Iowa wolves box score link for anyone curious.

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Layman is back to practicing today it sounds like. He'll be checked out again in a week, etc.
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irishman89 wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:28 pm Layman is back to practicing today it sounds like. He'll be checked out again in a week, etc.
So much for Glen saying he would return. Sounds like they will call Spellman or Vanderbilt up today or tomorrow. Unless of course the idiot wants to run a 3 man rotation with no backup bigs on the bench. One sprained ankle later and Okogie could be playing the 4.
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winforlose wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:38 pm
irishman89 wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:28 pm Layman is back to practicing today it sounds like. He'll be checked out again in a week, etc.
So much for Glen saying he would return. Sounds like they will call Spellman or Vanderbilt up today or tomorrow. Unless of course the idiot wants to run a 3 man rotation with no backup bigs on the bench. One sprained ankle later and Okogie could be playing the 4.
I hope they do, gives us a good chance to assess + getting them to meet their team mates.
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morneaumvp wrote: Wed Feb 19, 2020 3:32 pm If Towns is still out, not sure how this makes sense
:lol: Wolves fan expects lineups to make sense!

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winforlose wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 4:38 pm
irishman89 wrote: Thu Feb 20, 2020 2:28 pm Layman is back to practicing today it sounds like. He'll be checked out again in a week, etc.
So much for Glen saying he would return. Sounds like they will call Spellman or Vanderbilt up today or tomorrow. Unless of course the idiot wants to run a 3 man rotation with no backup bigs on the bench. One sprained ankle later and Okogie could be playing the 4.
I'm gonna go ahead right now and put the odds on Okogie at the 4 at 60%.
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Evans and Vanderbilt called up. Omari Spellman despite scoring 32 last night not called up. My guess, Spellman slept with someones wife, and or sister.
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winforlose wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:28 pm Evans and Vanderbilt called up. Omari Spellman despite scoring 32 last night not called up. My guess, Spellman slept with someones wife, and or sister.
He's being used as asset fodder....I don't think they had any intention of giving him a look, but maybe before they decided to flat our waive him...it's possible they saw the idea to hold him and see if he has value later, ala, on draft night as a young throw in? He didn't want to leave GS, and his reps reached out that he was most likely not happy to come into this situation, so I don't think things ever started off right between the two parties.

I like his game, but it does look a bit redundant to have if we're planning on keeping Naz and most likely drafting or shopping for another big this offseason.
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digitalwolf wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:47 pm
winforlose wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:28 pm Evans and Vanderbilt called up. Omari Spellman despite scoring 32 last night not called up. My guess, Spellman slept with someones wife, and or sister.
He's being used as asset fodder....I don't think they had any intention of giving him a look, but maybe before they decided to flat our waive him...it's possible they saw the idea to hold him and see if he has value later, ala, on draft night as a young throw in? He didn't want to leave GS, and his reps reached out that he was most likely not happy to come into this situation, so I don't think things ever started off right between the two parties.

I like his game, but it does look a bit redundant to have if we're planning on keeping Naz and most likely drafting or shopping for another big this offseason.
The guy is 3 times as valuable as Evans. He is a perfect backup to JH. He can be unhappy, he can downright miserable, he hasn’t earned the right to bitch and moan about it. In his first season he was a fat loser. In his second season he has turned into a decent player. Decent players need to keep their head down and work their tails off to become good players. I agree we likely move him, but we should give him some serious run to make sure we don’t want to keep him. Also to increase his trade value. The guy is killing it in Iowa, he deserves to be here.
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It's disappointing it's not working out where he can come up and play some PF. The rest of this season is about getting looks at different guys and while I've been OK with Hernangomez.... I wouldn't mind Spellman given a shot too.
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winforlose wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:59 pm
digitalwolf wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:47 pm
winforlose wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:28 pm Evans and Vanderbilt called up. Omari Spellman despite scoring 32 last night not called up. My guess, Spellman slept with someones wife, and or sister.
He's being used as asset fodder....I don't think they had any intention of giving him a look, but maybe before they decided to flat our waive him...it's possible they saw the idea to hold him and see if he has value later, ala, on draft night as a young throw in? He didn't want to leave GS, and his reps reached out that he was most likely not happy to come into this situation, so I don't think things ever started off right between the two parties.

I like his game, but it does look a bit redundant to have if we're planning on keeping Naz and most likely drafting or shopping for another big this offseason.
The guy is 3 times as valuable as Evans. He is a perfect backup to JH. He can be unhappy, he can downright miserable, he hasn’t earned the right to bitch and moan about it. In his first season he was a fat loser. In his second season he has turned into a decent player. Decent players need to keep their head down and work their tails off to become good players. I agree we likely move him, but we should give him some serious run to make sure we don’t want to keep him. Also to increase his trade value. The guy is killing it in Iowa, he deserves to be here.
These are all true things, but I very much think he came in here with a bad attitude. His presser helped confirm that....but I agree, he and his agents should have taken nose the grindstone approach and let things work themselves out in the offseason.
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digitalwolf wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:13 pm
winforlose wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:59 pm
digitalwolf wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:47 pm

He's being used as asset fodder....I don't think they had any intention of giving him a look, but maybe before they decided to flat our waive him...it's possible they saw the idea to hold him and see if he has value later, ala, on draft night as a young throw in? He didn't want to leave GS, and his reps reached out that he was most likely not happy to come into this situation, so I don't think things ever started off right between the two parties.

I like his game, but it does look a bit redundant to have if we're planning on keeping Naz and most likely drafting or shopping for another big this offseason.
The guy is 3 times as valuable as Evans. He is a perfect backup to JH. He can be unhappy, he can downright miserable, he hasn’t earned the right to bitch and moan about it. In his first season he was a fat loser. In his second season he has turned into a decent player. Decent players need to keep their head down and work their tails off to become good players. I agree we likely move him, but we should give him some serious run to make sure we don’t want to keep him. Also to increase his trade value. The guy is killing it in Iowa, he deserves to be here.
These are all true things, but I very much think he came in here with a bad attitude. His presser helped confirm that....but I agree, he and his agents should have taken nose the grindstone approach and let things work themselves out in the offseason.
The only thing we disagree about is what to do about the bad attitude. I think his problem was going from legit playing time to being out of the rotation. With KAT gone you can play Layman at the 3, Culver at the 2, JJ at the 5 and give Spellman minutes at the 4. Everybody wins. Although, if Vanderbilt is truly in our future plans, then there are worse things than him getting some run with the mothership.
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winforlose wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:25 pm
digitalwolf wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:13 pm
winforlose wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:59 pm

The guy is 3 times as valuable as Evans. He is a perfect backup to JH. He can be unhappy, he can downright miserable, he hasn’t earned the right to bitch and moan about it. In his first season he was a fat loser. In his second season he has turned into a decent player. Decent players need to keep their head down and work their tails off to become good players. I agree we likely move him, but we should give him some serious run to make sure we don’t want to keep him. Also to increase his trade value. The guy is killing it in Iowa, he deserves to be here.
These are all true things, but I very much think he came in here with a bad attitude. His presser helped confirm that....but I agree, he and his agents should have taken nose the grindstone approach and let things work themselves out in the offseason.
The only thing we disagree about is what to do about the bad attitude. I think his problem was going from legit playing time to being out of the rotation. With KAT gone you can play Layman at the 3, Culver at the 2, JJ at the 5 and give Spellman minutes at the 4. Everybody wins. Although, if Vanderbilt is truly in our future plans, then there are worse things than him getting some run with the mothership.
Don't get me wrong, I like his game and I think he should get run with the actual squad....but he probably didn't come here with the right approach. Whether or not that approach cemented him to the Gleague until the summer roles around, maybe? It could be like I said though, he's just asset fodder and they don't need to mix him in or juice his value so to speak. He was most likely planned all along to be let go or a throw in, maybe him coming in shitty just made that decision easier on the brass?

But yeah, while KAT is out, he def has room to play here.
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digitalwolf wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:47 pm
winforlose wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:28 pm Evans and Vanderbilt called up. Omari Spellman despite scoring 32 last night not called up. My guess, Spellman slept with someones wife, and or sister.
He's being used as asset fodder....I don't think they had any intention of giving him a look, but maybe before they decided to flat our waive him...it's possible they saw the idea to hold him and see if he has value later, ala, on draft night as a young throw in? He didn't want to leave GS, and his reps reached out that he was most likely not happy to come into this situation, so I don't think things ever started off right between the two parties.

I like his game, but it does look a bit redundant to have if we're planning on keeping Naz and most likely drafting or shopping for another big this offseason.
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digitalwolf wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:29 pm Don't get me wrong, I like his game and I think he should get run with the actual squad....but he probably didn't come here with the right approach. Whether or not that approach cemented him to the Gleague until the summer roles around, maybe? It could be like I said though, he's just asset fodder and they don't need to mix him in or juice his value so to speak. He was most likely planned all along to be let go or a throw in, maybe him coming in shitty just made that decision easier on the brass?

But yeah, while KAT is out, he def has room to play here.
From what I've read, I think the guy just seems like a total basket case.
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winforlose wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:25 pm
digitalwolf wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:13 pm
winforlose wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:59 pm

The guy is 3 times as valuable as Evans. He is a perfect backup to JH. He can be unhappy, he can downright miserable, he hasn’t earned the right to bitch and moan about it. In his first season he was a fat loser. In his second season he has turned into a decent player. Decent players need to keep their head down and work their tails off to become good players. I agree we likely move him, but we should give him some serious run to make sure we don’t want to keep him. Also to increase his trade value. The guy is killing it in Iowa, he deserves to be here.
These are all true things, but I very much think he came in here with a bad attitude. His presser helped confirm that....but I agree, he and his agents should have taken nose the grindstone approach and let things work themselves out in the offseason.
The only thing we disagree about is what to do about the bad attitude. I think his problem was going from legit playing time to being out of the rotation. With KAT gone you can play Layman at the 3, Culver at the 2, JJ at the 5 and give Spellman minutes at the 4. Everybody wins. Although, if Vanderbilt is truly in our future plans, then there are worse things than him getting some run with the mothership.
For a young player like Spellman you would think he would be excited to get a potential opportunity to play and would have a solid attitude.

He was dumped by Golden St. to get under the luxury tax with Evans. I agree that the Wolves should be giving him time in a tank schedule and either figure out if he is a fit here as a backup player and/ortry to show case his skills to trade in the offseason. He has a guaranteed 2020-21 salary so waiving him means you eat his salary for nothing.
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mlhouse wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:56 pm
winforlose wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:25 pm
digitalwolf wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:13 pm

These are all true things, but I very much think he came in here with a bad attitude. His presser helped confirm that....but I agree, he and his agents should have taken nose the grindstone approach and let things work themselves out in the offseason.
The only thing we disagree about is what to do about the bad attitude. I think his problem was going from legit playing time to being out of the rotation. With KAT gone you can play Layman at the 3, Culver at the 2, JJ at the 5 and give Spellman minutes at the 4. Everybody wins. Although, if Vanderbilt is truly in our future plans, then there are worse things than him getting some run with the mothership.
For a young player like Spellman you would think he would be excited to get a potential opportunity to play and would have a solid attitude.

He was dumped by Golden St. to get under the luxury tax with Evans. I agree that the Wolves should be giving him time in a tank schedule and either figure out if he is a fit here as a backup player and/ortry to show case his skills to trade in the offseason. He has a guaranteed 2020-21 salary so waiving him means you eat his salary for nothing.
They would stretch him, but the point is he is too valuable to do that with. They will trade him. His real problem here besides all of the attitude stuff is that he is redundant to Reid who is cheaper. and I don't think he fits the mold of what we are looking for in a PF, in that he is not going to fit what we want to do defensively. Should he be playing with Kat out, and back up Reid? sure, but the fact he is not tells you a bit about where the relationship is and how he fits in our plans long-term.
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digitalwolf wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 2:13 pm
winforlose wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:59 pm
digitalwolf wrote: Mon Feb 24, 2020 1:47 pm

He's being used as asset fodder....I don't think they had any intention of giving him a look, but maybe before they decided to flat our waive him...it's possible they saw the idea to hold him and see if he has value later, ala, on draft night as a young throw in? He didn't want to leave GS, and his reps reached out that he was most likely not happy to come into this situation, so I don't think things ever started off right between the two parties.

I like his game, but it does look a bit redundant to have if we're planning on keeping Naz and most likely drafting or shopping for another big this offseason.
The guy is 3 times as valuable as Evans. He is a perfect backup to JH. He can be unhappy, he can downright miserable, he hasn’t earned the right to bitch and moan about it. In his first season he was a fat loser. In his second season he has turned into a decent player. Decent players need to keep their head down and work their tails off to become good players. I agree we likely move him, but we should give him some serious run to make sure we don’t want to keep him. Also to increase his trade value. The guy is killing it in Iowa, he deserves to be here.
These are all true things, but I very much think he came in here with a bad attitude. His presser helped confirm that....but I agree, he and his agents should have taken nose the grindstone approach and let things work themselves out in the offseason.
What did he do in his presser? He was there at the media intro with the others, but nothing else?
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