somuchyummy wrote: ↑Tue Mar 31, 2020 4:22 pm
as screwy as this year has been, i think it's possible that rosas will want to take toppin at 3 - but someone else will take him at 1 or 2.
i am totally on the pons bandwagon now though at 33. god, what a beast.
Remember the 1st week of the season when I turned you on to him? I said I just gave him the Oladipo treatment. Where every year I love a guy mocked in the 20's or 30's and by draft time he goes before us> Well we were a game above .500 then so we didn't play ourselves out of contention. But he is certainly at this time the best player available college, euro, or alien. It is not on the floor where he get graded down it's on the calendar. He's 22 can he get better or bigger. And slightly for D. Well I have 2 things to say about those. Maybe 10
1st he played one year of high school ball and is at Dayton because he was a 6'5" academic non qualifier. That's why he's so old for a JR. And he has played 3 seasons of high school or above basketball. only 2 of them at 6'9"
And the morons wonder if he's capped as a player and physically? Like he can become Ben Wallace in 2 years after growing 4 inches? Like he's played so much organized ball that he can't improve? Ridiculous. Physically dominated while throwing advanced post moves and 3's like a G. Yeah dude, you only get 2 years. Pretty good for 2 years though right. Maybe he can get one more?
2nd he is exactly what I say about 2-3 guys every year. He is so important to his team as not just a talent but as a threat that they design their D to keep him in the game and tell him not to foul. He still gets steals at a high rate for a big but look at his foul rate. Blocks plus steals on a top team and then look at his foul rate. Add to that that one of his TO's probably every other game min is an offensive foul. Which is another thing he gets dinged for is TO's For as many spectacular lobs they attempt, the fast break crazy shit, It is amazing he doesn't have more ball TO's and 2 offensive fouls a game. And that's his freakish body control for a big.
As I said earlier I am actually now happy we didn't see him in the tourney because then you would have seen balls out effort to win on every play especially 2nd half's when he's got fouls to give. And all that ridiculous shit I just wrote is a dead giveaway that he is Mr. smoke this year. Remember how fast he went from 20's when I told you to top 5 everywhere? Never moved all year. Never below 5 and as high as 2 on a lot. Now half the mocks have him closer to 10 than 1. That's because the smoke is out from teams that love him. Think they don't know how little ball he's played? Think they see the best post game in college as a 2 year post player and say........well....he's capped. Think any basketball people ever got tall fast and took a while to fill out? Crazy! Know how many former stars at all levels work for teams? Think any of them got the hey, save those fouls treatment?
My proof of this is the vid some moron tweeted that someone posted the other day. One play of Obi closing out on a 3 and the guy says scouts think he has bad balance and plays too high and will have trouble guarding the perimeter!
So for starters he is a 4. He won't be playing on the perimeter other than standing in front of a shooter 4. You want to shoot over that long tall 40 inch vert? Or he will be quick switching or running guys off the 3. And if you watch that vid you can see he did exactly what they want him to do . He ran the guy off the 3, didn't foul, and stayed top side because they force things baseline like Thibs used to. You can see the help guy on the baseline get held and everyone else just lost. But somehow one of the freakiest athletes I've ever seen was physically incapable of playing basketball even though e did everything properly.
Smoke and people are buying it. We just have to hope a few things go our way Edwards will go #1 because he's also a freak but a ball in hands more freak. We need a PG needy team to take Ball. Then we need teams with no C or that want D to take Wiseman and OO. Maybe some moron wants Doncic so much they take Avdija. Think all those can happen? No way. And that's to 6. And every one that doesn't is one more guaranteed spot up Toppin goes. I believe odds would have us picking 4th. Could be wrong on that. I would say lower than 5th is too statistically rare to happen. But to me that's still iffy because Wiseman and OO are both C's. Wiseman good enough athlete to play 4 but not good enough basketball player to. OO could with a few C's. If we had a different system and Towns leaned out and passed more would be great, But don't see a lot of other places he's not straight up 5. Atl definitely would have gone defensive big but now would go Toppin to replace Collins, Det would surely take a C over Tppin GS should go big but just might take OBi and try to score 160 a night. That means at 4-5 we might still need to trade up. Or somehow we would either need to win a spot or have the teams fall perfectly. Or have a C hungry team trade up. Luckily we have extra ammo and a cheap owner. Maybe for once his miser nature works for me and he trades the extra money.......I mean pick to get my guy. I'd put the odds he's there when we're on the clock at 50/50. Probably what like 35% we win a spot? at least 90% we're top 5 and then need help or luck. Plus subtract from the odds the idiot and his theory's.
I did allow myself to read into his cocky ass response the the question about not having a 4. He took it as a personal attack against his shit mandate and kind of seemed insulted and flustered and quipped back something like he has nothing against big 4's..................but it has to be the right one. There's no more trading for money. There's no lower money 4;s who are big and shoot out there, There is one. I think his ego let his liking him slip because he couldn't handle being criticized. He has to hint at it just so he can say I told you so later. And if he does it, even if he has to pay to get further up I will never call him the idiot again. I will hate his mandate, and I will hate his kid glove treatment of Towns but I love how he got Beasley and if he gets Obi I will call him even Steven until we figure oyt whether Towns and Russell are winners willing to do what it takes or vid game buddies and former Wolves.
Man I took too long a nap today and can't sleep. So here's a question for tomorrow. The idiot is still in charge but he lets you make this one call. GS picks in front of us at 4 and we are 5. The idiot tells you he wants Obi but won''t take OO. GS calls and says we are taking Obi unless you trade us Towns. Also consider that he and Russell aren't children and the idiot isn't a shit dad. Would you trade Towns for their pick, Paschall, a 1st next year, and a sizable contract or two where both or at least the biggest expire as we'd need a 3rd team to take a contract off GS and send us one. Then take OO and Obi and have a legit defensive rim protector and 2 great shooting bigs. Plus take the chance they have trouble meshing or get injured and that pick is like 20 instead of 30. 1 year later I like that team more even still playing essentially the same system.
Or this. Just came out a few places on yyoutube that Nets plan is not to go the Bos route and add greats to their deep good team. It's to package up for a 3rd superstar. This one would require additional moves since we already have their pick and their guys are young on the rise not stars yet and play spots we have stacked but if we are in position to draft Obi and they offered J. Allen, Dinwiddie, Lavert and a couple 1st (would be low they would think) for Towns Evans and Layman (those 2 for more space) You think about it? Allen a great fit with Obi and Lavert and Dinwiddie give you the option to change course fully and move Russell. Otherwise both bring picks or players or both. This PG heavy draft took a dark turn when, and I never thought I'd write this, Ballbecame the only lotto worthy PG and might be the only legit 1st rounder. Could see a team reall overpay to get Russell in the right circumstance. Probably move Lavert to Det. I like him and always have but they were supoer hot for him before he got hurt. Saw tons of shit they were going to go after him before he re-signed. Just because of money and his foot history. I'll take the return from those 2 after the Towns trade and still have dinwiddie as my super pumped that he's a starter, starter ( Beasley affect) McLaughlin as my tough ass backup with a rook. Allen, Spellman, Johnson and Obi up front can defend, rebound and shoot. Some trade/draft capital spent on a younger version of Johnson. Push some assets into the future but add one big good 3 and D SF and then let Culver, Okogie, 3 and D rook, Vandy, and Spellman fight for time. And that rook PG if we push some assets into the future should be straight boom or bust. Is Howard too small? Is Quickley a 10 game wonder? Can Powell play PG? Can Tre learn to shoot consistently? Can Haggins learn to shoot at all? Do the research and if you think yes take one. Sit him next to Dinwiddie and Mac and if they can't gleen how to get better through straight guts and never say die then try again next year.
You can tell I can't sleep, don't like Towns, and I think Russell will make them both worse can't you. Just hope they flame out hard enough to burn the idiot down too.
Here's another. Always say NBA is a copycat league because most are cheap or stupid. We are both. GM's came up with this thing where they tell their owner there is only one way to win , maybe 3 teams who can, and we don't have it so we need a 4 year tank plan to get it. GM gets 4 years no matter how bad. Owner sells future while making the same but paying less. And basketball is much worse. Remember the wonderful old clash of style games? Who can do what they do better, Who can stop them from doing what they do. Great coaches and strategy.Now? Switch everything! No mid range! The end. Must be so tough to advance scout.
Here's the question. I am always of the opinion that the teams that win are the teams that change first. Det didn't become the bad boys because someone else did first. They did it because they had one wicked offensive player, one great all around player, and a bunch of tough do your job not every job guys. And a great coached who knew who to use when and played 12 guys a game because they played their ass off. Bulls, Lakers< Bos, ATl, all had fire power much greater and when they dialed it in none could score consistently against them They did a modified version years later with some tough guy D but added the 3 shooting of Bilups and Sheed. But they were first. First to guys like Wallace, Billuos, and Sheed that other teams undervalued. So with size and D Laughed at these days do you think you could start with our team and through trades and the draft make the best defensive/rebounding team in the league and be a contender now. I think I could for 2 reasons. First so few night a year to teams face it. Individuals play good D. Sometimes but rarely teams double and give stars the business. But these days it's mostly let them get theirs and stop everyone else. What happens when you have a top defender on Lebron and Davis plus all the help guys are the top notch type that can show or hard hedge and recover so you don't get caught in the crappy switch everything D? What would happen when we rebound 5? When we post up your 6'6" PF and then crash the galss because we still have 2 wicked defenders back and 3 more busting it to help? I think it would fuck GS, HOU, anyone. You can't play fast against a team that won't help you. And defenders are all a bargain. You get first shot at the undervalued. Which means you have the capital and the money to pay more for the all around scorer you need. Always gonna need Isiah and Dumars or Chauncey and Rip/Sheed. But you don't need a ton. I watched the worst offensive team in history go to the finals when Iverson brought Philly. I'd play any other member of that team in horse in their prime and go undefeated. It's easy to score from the line. off steals, open dunks, against small guys. Mark my words, the next great coach is going to be the defensive innovator. Probably some young college guy since the NBA sucks all originality. Look at Stevens in Bos. Everyone was picking apart his schemes as is they were from space. Ainge misses it and trades for Kyrie. Stevebs just soldiers on finally Ainge gets it. Stevebs found a bunch of tough guys, If you were tough you played so he played a lot of them. They played wicked D because that got you time and you were always rested. Then Kyrie playng no D for 40 plus the bad quick shots and th ey go from top of the league D to also ran. I give him first shot at it. He's a smart enough coach to get the most out of limited offensive players and play deep rotations where you put pressure on all game. Pressure bust pipes. That's what they all say about Belicek. He says just stay calm and don't beat yourself because 90% of the time the other team will. And no one can copy him because they don't get it. They think he's the best drafter, they got lucky with Brady, old good vets always go there. That's not why. He just doesn't need to do anything to prove he is smarter. Because he can wait for you to panic and show how stupid you are. That will be the team. The one that does to Hou what GS did to then in the playoffs. Every missed 3 is more pressure and leads to quicker and longer 3's When did ball become that. I remember my dad always yelling at me from the stands the same thing if I was cold. "Take it to the bucket!" Get something easy. FT even. Now miss 10 3's better get up 10 more in half the time. I can build a team and design a D to defeat that in a couple hours. Someday a smart GM will talk a smart owner into letting him try. Just needs to tell him I will stack this roster 12 deep with guys who will play and you will love the hustle of every one. And we will never owe a pick or be above the cap. Who's your team. Coronaquiz
NOT business as usual.
