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Utah Has Acquired Mike Conley

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mlhouse wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:50 pm
SO_MONEY wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:46 pm
mlhouse wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:39 pm

But that wasn't the Crabbe trade, was it...
The Crabbe trade averaged out to a 2nd.
Yeah, if you use Common Core Math.
Or if you understood that in a flat draft this year 17 was not worth much of a differential. And the 2021 2nd is in the double draft.
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Like it a lot for Utah. They're an Ingles upgrade from top 2 in the west.
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T_J wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:21 pm Like it a lot for Utah. They're an Ingles upgrade from top 2 in the west.
Ingles/Exum/pick to the Cavs for K Love.


Conley
Mitchell
O'Neal
Love
Gobert


discuss
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Re: Utah Has Acquired Mike Conley

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HeHateMe wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:34 pm
T_J wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:21 pm Like it a lot for Utah. They're an Ingles upgrade from top 2 in the west.
Ingles/Exum/pick to the Cavs for K Love.


Conley
Mitchell
O'Neal
Love
Gobert


discuss
Ha that'd be awesome. I did want to see the Ricky/Love reunion though.
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It will be interesting to see if the Grizzlies keep both Crowder and Korver. They're both on the last year of their team-friendly deals.
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Re: Utah Has Acquired Mike Conley

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SO_MONEY wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:06 pm
mlhouse wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:50 pm
SO_MONEY wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:46 pm

The Crabbe trade averaged out to a 2nd.
Yeah, if you use Common Core Math.
Or if you understood that in a flat draft this year 17 was not worth much of a differential. And the 2021 2nd is in the double draft.
Common Core to the hilt.
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mlhouse wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:19 pm
SO_MONEY wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:06 pm
mlhouse wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:50 pm

Yeah, if you use Common Core Math.
Or if you understood that in a flat draft this year 17 was not worth much of a differential. And the 2021 2nd is in the double draft.
Common Core to the hilt.
It was worth what it was worth and that is about a 2nd. Ain't no changing that.
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SO_MONEY wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:38 pm
mlhouse wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:19 pm
SO_MONEY wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 1:06 pm

Or if you understood that in a flat draft this year 17 was not worth much of a differential. And the 2021 2nd is in the double draft.
Common Core to the hilt.
It was worth what it was worth and that is about a 2nd. Ain't no changing that.
No one in the whole world is going to pay $19 million for a 2nd.

And, if we do not have anything to do with the cap space, why spend a 2nd? Just waive Teague and move on.

While all of you geniuses are telling me why stretching Teague is a bad idea, there are at least two possibilites that I raised to stretch him and either sign a high end free agent THIS season, or acquire future assets. Why trade away an asset for nothing?
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mlhouse wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:42 pm
SO_MONEY wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:38 pm
mlhouse wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:19 pm

Common Core to the hilt.
It was worth what it was worth and that is about a 2nd. Ain't no changing that.
No one in the whole world is going to pay $19 million for a 2nd.

And, if we do not have anything to do with the cap space, why spend a 2nd? Just waive Teague and move on.

While all of you geniuses are telling me why stretching Teague is a bad idea, there are at least two possibilites that I raised to stretch him and either sign a high end free agent THIS season, or acquire future assets. Why trade away an asset for nothing?
You are ignoring the fact that there is a minimum cap number and if you are under it the league just takes it from you. A team that is 19 under the salary floor Teague costs them not one thin dime. And you also ignore that he is a good player on an expiring deal
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mlhouse wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:42 pm
SO_MONEY wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:38 pm
mlhouse wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:19 pm

Common Core to the hilt.
It was worth what it was worth and that is about a 2nd. Ain't no changing that.
No one in the whole world is going to pay $19 million for a 2nd.

And, if we do not have anything to do with the cap space, why spend a 2nd? Just waive Teague and move on.

While all of you geniuses are telling me why stretching Teague is a bad idea, there are at least two possibilites that I raised to stretch him and either sign a high end free agent THIS season, or acquire future assets. Why trade away an asset for nothing?
Well ATL basically paid 18.5 mil for the value of a 2nd. Don't know what else to tell you.
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SO_MONEY wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:48 pm
mlhouse wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:42 pm
SO_MONEY wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:38 pm

It was worth what it was worth and that is about a 2nd. Ain't no changing that.
No one in the whole world is going to pay $19 million for a 2nd.

And, if we do not have anything to do with the cap space, why spend a 2nd? Just waive Teague and move on.

While all of you geniuses are telling me why stretching Teague is a bad idea, there are at least two possibilites that I raised to stretch him and either sign a high end free agent THIS season, or acquire future assets. Why trade away an asset for nothing?
Well ATL basically paid 18.5 mil for the value of a 2nd. Don't know what else to tell you.
Ignoring that they received 2 first round picks.....
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mlhouse wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:55 pm
SO_MONEY wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:48 pm
mlhouse wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:42 pm

No one in the whole world is going to pay $19 million for a 2nd.

And, if we do not have anything to do with the cap space, why spend a 2nd? Just waive Teague and move on.

While all of you geniuses are telling me why stretching Teague is a bad idea, there are at least two possibilites that I raised to stretch him and either sign a high end free agent THIS season, or acquire future assets. Why trade away an asset for nothing?
Well ATL basically paid 18.5 mil for the value of a 2nd. Don't know what else to tell you.
Ignoring that they received 2 first round picks.....
Ignoring they got Prince and a 2nd in the double draft.
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Thrillkill wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:46 pm
mlhouse wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:42 pm
SO_MONEY wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:38 pm

It was worth what it was worth and that is about a 2nd. Ain't no changing that.
No one in the whole world is going to pay $19 million for a 2nd.

And, if we do not have anything to do with the cap space, why spend a 2nd? Just waive Teague and move on.

While all of you geniuses are telling me why stretching Teague is a bad idea, there are at least two possibilites that I raised to stretch him and either sign a high end free agent THIS season, or acquire future assets. Why trade away an asset for nothing?
You are ignoring the fact that there is a minimum cap number and if you are under it the league just takes it from you. A team that is 19 under the salary floor Teague costs them not one thin dime. And you also ignore that he is a good player on an expiring deal
1. Assuming teams are under the minimum. There might be a couple of teams close to the floor.

2. If a team is under the cap, the difference in money is just distributed to the players on their roster.

3. The NBA min salary cap is $91 million. So, you need to find a team that is going to be significantly under that.

4. There are teams out there that want to make salary cap because they have a lot better things to do with it than dump Jeff Teague.

5. Teague could potentially have value to a competitive team that wants his Bird Rights to sign for a lower contract next season without cap implications. The problem is these teams do not have cap room, and if they do, they have bigger ideas than adding Teague. For them, signing Teague to a MLE level deal is probably th ebetter option.
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mlhouse wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:03 pm
Thrillkill wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:46 pm
mlhouse wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:42 pm

No one in the whole world is going to pay $19 million for a 2nd.

And, if we do not have anything to do with the cap space, why spend a 2nd? Just waive Teague and move on.

While all of you geniuses are telling me why stretching Teague is a bad idea, there are at least two possibilites that I raised to stretch him and either sign a high end free agent THIS season, or acquire future assets. Why trade away an asset for nothing?
You are ignoring the fact that there is a minimum cap number and if you are under it the league just takes it from you. A team that is 19 under the salary floor Teague costs them not one thin dime. And you also ignore that he is a good player on an expiring deal
1. Assuming teams are under the minimum. There might be a couple of teams close to the floor.

2. If a team is under the cap, the difference in money is just distributed to the players on their roster.

3. The NBA min salary cap is $91 million. So, you need to find a team that is going to be significantly under that.

4. There are teams out there that want to make salary cap because they have a lot better things to do with it than dump Jeff Teague.

5. Teague could potentially have value to a competitive team that wants his Bird Rights to sign for a lower contract next season without cap implications. The problem is these teams do not have cap room, and if they do, they have bigger ideas than adding Teague. For them, signing Teague to a MLE level deal is probably th ebetter option.
Not saying I think it's probable. But you don't just need to be 20 under the floor. What if you are 12 under? Then he costs you 7. What's the effect on other aspects of the deal then? What happens to the one or 2 teams with a lot of space when the best players say no to them? Do they overpay a 2nd tier guy? Smart one's would try again next year and trading for Teague just holds that money as an expiring.

Meh, it isn't going to happen until the deadline anyway.
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Thrillkill wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:09 pm
mlhouse wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 3:03 pm
Thrillkill wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 2:46 pm
You are ignoring the fact that there is a minimum cap number and if you are under it the league just takes it from you. A team that is 19 under the salary floor Teague costs them not one thin dime. And you also ignore that he is a good player on an expiring deal
1. Assuming teams are under the minimum. There might be a couple of teams close to the floor.

2. If a team is under the cap, the difference in money is just distributed to the players on their roster.

3. The NBA min salary cap is $91 million. So, you need to find a team that is going to be significantly under that.

4. There are teams out there that want to make salary cap because they have a lot better things to do with it than dump Jeff Teague.

5. Teague could potentially have value to a competitive team that wants his Bird Rights to sign for a lower contract next season without cap implications. The problem is these teams do not have cap room, and if they do, they have bigger ideas than adding Teague. For them, signing Teague to a MLE level deal is probably th ebetter option.
Not saying I think it's probable. But you don't just need to be 20 under the floor. What if you are 12 under? Then he costs you 7. What's the effect on other aspects of the deal then? What happens to the one or 2 teams with a lot of space when the best players say no to them? Do they overpay a 2nd tier guy? Smart one's would try again next year and trading for Teague just holds that money as an expiring.

Meh, it isn't going to happen until the deadline anyway.
When we have very little to do with the money, why even consider it? Why give up an asset to just get rid of Teague?
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UnFadeable21 wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 11:20 am
Oh for fuck's sake, my hearts breaking a little :cry:
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Moses Scurry wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:31 pm Per Froobs: Utah should not be trying to improve and win, they should be blowing it up.
That's what we tend to do with the Wolves.
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I like this trade for both teams. Conley does Memphis no good and they got some good draft assets.

Crowder is aight. Korver is old as dirt and meh to me. I wouldn't care to extend either if I'm Memphis.
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LordNu wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 7:17 pm
Moses Scurry wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 12:31 pm Per Froobs: Utah should not be trying to improve and win, they should be blowing it up.
That's what we tend to do with the Wolves.
What's that!? I can't hear you over the sound of our core exploding. :gun:
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Conley is pretty meh for his price, but fits Utah's mentality. Could be a nice get for them. Not a fleecing for either team, but a trade that makes sense for both.
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