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Deal For PHO’s #6

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Re: Deal For PHO’s #6

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thinktank wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:15 pm
t_wrex wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:04 pm Damn I don't think I've ever seen the two TT's going at it before.

I always get you guys mixed up. How are you guys different so I can separate you guys mentally?
Thrillkill is always a dick. I’m the one talking to people like they’re people and asking good questions.
If either or both of you would get avatards, that would help a lot. I get you two mixed up a lot too.
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Re: Deal For PHO’s #6

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Dubs wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:40 pm
t_wrex wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:06 pm im gonna walk this one back.

Id be thrilled if #6 is as good as Saric. Rather have Saric and 11.

Teague doesn't hurt or help us. Freeing the cap space would allow us to sign.. oh yeah, nobody.
Not accounting for the salary of #6, I have our cap room at around $20,682,000 if PHX absorbed Teague & Saric - right in the ballpark for a potential 4/$80M Russell deal.
The deal as quoted DOES not net the Wolves Teague's $19M because Tyler Johnson & his $19M contract comes back.
To me Teague & Johnson (who is nowhere close to as good as a "healthy" Teague) are unnecessary fillers.
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Re: Deal For PHO’s #6

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I see New Orleans is dangling their #4 pick. However, they want an established star & not a draft pick.

Hey Pels, want Wigs for #4?
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Re: Deal For PHO’s #6

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Has this deal been flouted?
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Re: Deal For PHO’s #6

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SO_MONEY wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:33 pm
Keith_Morrison wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:39 pm
thinktank wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:15 pm

Thrillkill is always a dick. I’m the one talking to people like they’re people and asking good questions.

:roll:
And yet I go on a drunken rant (pointing this stupid shit out) and you nominate me for a Gibby calling me NO_MONEY,...too late I already have SO_MONEY and NO_MONEY vanity plates. What do you want? Do you want people to call out jerks? OR do you want to be the only one? I will hang up and listen...NO I won't LOL. People say things on here, often they are BS and are false, but sometimes people get lumped in. Best case, do well by the board and not feel a need to lie or brag about homes in Florida or Honduran chef wives as a metric of your worth to this place. Don't call people names or insult other for doing what you do. This is half the reason I don't care anymore.
Come again?

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Re: Deal For PHO’s #6

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Beef Supreme wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:12 pm
thinktank wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:15 pm
t_wrex wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:04 pm Damn I don't think I've ever seen the two TT's going at it before.

I always get you guys mixed up. How are you guys different so I can separate you guys mentally?
Thrillkill is always a dick. I’m the one talking to people like they’re people and asking good questions.
If either or both of you would get avatards, that would help a lot. I get you two mixed up a lot too.
Maybe, just maybe they are the same guy....... :shrug:
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LordNu wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:26 pm Has this deal been flouted?
Yes, between amateurs.
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Re: Deal For PHO’s #6

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witljon wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:31 pm
Beef Supreme wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:12 pm
thinktank wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:15 pm

Thrillkill is always a dick. I’m the one talking to people like they’re people and asking good questions.
If either or both of you would get avatards, that would help a lot. I get you two mixed up a lot too.
Maybe, just maybe they are the same guy....... :shrug:
Who cares. They are bad people and hibitual liars...in that they are...well,...bad people and liars. I don't care who they are at this point.
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Re: Deal For PHO’s #6

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SO_MONEY wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:41 pm
witljon wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:31 pm
Beef Supreme wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:12 pm

If either or both of you would get avatards, that would help a lot. I get you two mixed up a lot too.
Maybe, just maybe they are the same guy....... :shrug:
Who cares. They are bad people and hibitual liars...in that they are...well,...bad people and liars. I don't care who they are at this point.
I believe most people are good. Its just that some here take things a bit too serious.
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witljon wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 8:10 pm
SO_MONEY wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:41 pm
witljon wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:31 pm

Maybe, just maybe they are the same guy....... :shrug:
Who cares. They are bad people and hibitual liars...in that they are...well,...bad people and liars. I don't care who they are at this point.
I believe most people are good. Its just that some here take things a bit too serious.
Meh. TRUE!
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Re: Deal For PHO’s #6

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KATMANDUDE wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:02 pm
Dubs wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:40 pm
t_wrex wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 12:06 pm im gonna walk this one back.

Id be thrilled if #6 is as good as Saric. Rather have Saric and 11.

Teague doesn't hurt or help us. Freeing the cap space would allow us to sign.. oh yeah, nobody.
Not accounting for the salary of #6, I have our cap room at around $20,682,000 if PHX absorbed Teague & Saric - right in the ballpark for a potential 4/$80M Russell deal.
The deal as quoted DOES not net the Wolves Teague's $19M because Tyler Johnson & his $19M contract comes back.
To me Teague & Johnson (who is nowhere close to as good as a "healthy" Teague) are unnecessary fillers.
If PHX absorbs Teague & Saric (they currently have the cap room to do so), it would provide the cap space previously noted.
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Going back to the OP, these Phoenix trade ideas are fucking idiotic. When they are proposed, do you ever put yourself in the other team's shoes in evaluating the deal? Before the Davis trade, there was a major value tier picks 4-9. Now, with the Pelicans holding #4 it has become a pretty hot property for teams wanting to move up to take a PG so the tier is now 5-9, and even the Cavs 5th pick could become another trade hot spot as teams vie to move up to take the remaining PG of Garland/White.

I like Saric as a player, but I don't think getting him in his 4th year of his rookie deal is even close to the value a team would want to move up to #6. I think the Suns will be much more interested in moving up to 4 or 5 in this draft to get a guy like Garland who would be a great pairing with Booker versus moving down to a lower draft tier and just adding a supporting level player like Dario Saric for their efforts.
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KevinBaconIsNotMyHero wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:29 pm
SO_MONEY wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:33 pm
Keith_Morrison wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 2:39 pm [/u]
:roll:
And yet I go on a drunken rant (pointing this stupid shit out) and you nominate me for a Gibby calling me NO_MONEY,...too late I already have SO_MONEY and NO_MONEY vanity plates. What do you want? Do you want people to call out jerks? OR do you want to be the only one? I will hang up and listen...NO I won't LOL. People say things on here, often they are BS and are false, but sometimes people get lumped in. Best case, do well by the board and not feel a need to lie or brag about homes in Florida or Honduran chef wives as a metric of your worth to this place. Don't call people names or insult other for doing what you do. This is half the reason I don't care anymore.
You were calling multiple people out. People who didn’t have anything to do with anything you were arguing with thinktank. That’s why people chuckled. You were totally bizarre.
1) I was drunk. 2)I was right (In General). 3) What do you care? Unless you are a dick!
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SO_MONEY wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:37 pm
KevinBaconIsNotMyHero wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:29 pm
SO_MONEY wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 4:33 pm
And yet I go on a drunken rant (pointing this stupid shit out) and you nominate me for a Gibby calling me NO_MONEY,...too late I already have SO_MONEY and NO_MONEY vanity plates. What do you want? Do you want people to call out jerks? OR do you want to be the only one? I will hang up and listen...NO I won't LOL. People say things on here, often they are BS and are false, but sometimes people get lumped in. Best case, do well by the board and not feel a need to lie or brag about homes in Florida or Honduran chef wives as a metric of your worth to this place. Don't call people names or insult other for doing what you do. This is half the reason I don't care anymore.
You were calling multiple people out. People who didn’t have anything to do with anything you were arguing with thinktank. That’s why people chuckled. You were totally bizarre.
1) I was drunk. 2)I was right (In General). 3) What do you care? Unless you are a dick!
I wonder if this Froob So_so_money is the same one from Kfan Rubechat sometimes.
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mlhouse wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:39 pm
SO_MONEY wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 11:37 pm
KevinBaconIsNotMyHero wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 5:29 pm

You were calling multiple people out. People who didn’t have anything to do with anything you were arguing with thinktank. That’s why people chuckled. You were totally bizarre.
1) I was drunk. 2)I was right (In General). 3) What do you care? Unless you are a dick!
I wonder if this Froob So_so_money is the same one from Kfan Rubechat sometimes.
It is, but I never wonder about you...Which is more telling.
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So anyway, PHO really loves Clarke. Hook them up!
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thinktank wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 5:43 am So anyway, PHO really loves Clarke. Hook them up!
+ OVER 10,000.
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Doogie continues to say the Wolves are looking to move up, potentially targeting Coby White. Hmm...
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just read bulls and suns are trying to move up to get garland at #4.

Wonder if they dont like White that much and would consider moving back if they dont land garland?
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HeHateMe wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:09 am Doogie continues to say the Wolves are looking to move up, potentially targeting Coby White. Hmm...
It'd have to be #11 plus Okogie minimum to move up, not?
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jimmyjamjammer wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:13 am just read bulls and suns are trying to move up to get garland at #4.

Wonder if they dont like White that much and would consider moving back if they dont land garland?
I would assume the Pelicans are not taking Garland at 4 given they have Holiday (for now) and Ball.
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Style wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:21 am
HeHateMe wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:09 am Doogie continues to say the Wolves are looking to move up, potentially targeting Coby White. Hmm...
It'd have to be #11 plus Okogie minimum to move up, not?
For sure. I think I'm ok moving those guys if it means getting money off the books to bring in established players, not sure about the lottery. I like White, Sekou, Hunter, etc... but if they don't pan out?
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HeHateMe wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:26 am
jimmyjamjammer wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:13 am just read bulls and suns are trying to move up to get garland at #4.

Wonder if they dont like White that much and would consider moving back if they dont land garland?
I would assume the Pelicans are not taking Garland at 4 given they have Holiday (for now) and Ball.
If I was NO, I would trade Ball somewhere else and take Garland. The obvious pros being you get more rookie contract year control than Ball has, you don't have to deal with his idiot father, and Garland is probably going to be better than Ball anyway.

Probably trade Jrue too.
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T_J wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:33 am
HeHateMe wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:26 am
jimmyjamjammer wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:13 am just read bulls and suns are trying to move up to get garland at #4.

Wonder if they dont like White that much and would consider moving back if they dont land garland?
I would assume the Pelicans are not taking Garland at 4 given they have Holiday (for now) and Ball.
If I was NO, I would trade Ball somewhere else and take Garland. The obvious pros being you get more rookie contract year control than Ball has, you don't have to deal with his idiot father, and Garland is probably going to be better than Ball anyway.

Probably trade Jrue too.
If I was New Orleans, I would have asked for Hart + Kuzma and picks. Tell LA to flip Ball somewhere else for another asset if needed.
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HeHateMe wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:51 am
T_J wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:33 am
HeHateMe wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:26 am

I would assume the Pelicans are not taking Garland at 4 given they have Holiday (for now) and Ball.
If I was NO, I would trade Ball somewhere else and take Garland. The obvious pros being you get more rookie contract year control than Ball has, you don't have to deal with his idiot father, and Garland is probably going to be better than Ball anyway.

Probably trade Jrue too.
If I was New Orleans, I would have asked for Hart + Kuzma and picks. Tell LA to flip Ball somewhere else for another asset if needed.
I was surprised Kuzma wasn't involved.

It'd be interesting to know what Ball's value is across the NBA
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SO_MONEY wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:41 pm
witljon wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 7:31 pm
Beef Supreme wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 6:12 pm

If either or both of you would get avatards, that would help a lot. I get you two mixed up a lot too.
Maybe, just maybe they are the same guy....... :shrug:
Who cares. They are bad people and hibitual liars...in that they are...well,...bad people and liars. I don't care who they are at this point.
Oh man, am I not invited to the birthday party you are throwing yourself? No way.

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HeHateMe wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:51 am
T_J wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:33 am
HeHateMe wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:26 am

I would assume the Pelicans are not taking Garland at 4 given they have Holiday (for now) and Ball.
If I was NO, I would trade Ball somewhere else and take Garland. The obvious pros being you get more rookie contract year control than Ball has, you don't have to deal with his idiot father, and Garland is probably going to be better than Ball anyway.

Probably trade Jrue too.
If I was New Orleans, I would have asked for Hart + Kuzma and picks. Tell LA to flip Ball somewhere else for another asset if needed.
They ran out of time and leverage. Once LA and them started shopping 4 around it was LA or a big Bos/NY offer that never came. NO still got a straight up haul.

It is funny to me though that they are shopping 4 around and not Ball. I'd take anything I could get for Ball and take Garland at 4.
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Thrillkill wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:24 am
HeHateMe wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:51 am
T_J wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 10:33 am

If I was NO, I would trade Ball somewhere else and take Garland. The obvious pros being you get more rookie contract year control than Ball has, you don't have to deal with his idiot father, and Garland is probably going to be better than Ball anyway.

Probably trade Jrue too.
If I was New Orleans, I would have asked for Hart + Kuzma and picks. Tell LA to flip Ball somewhere else for another asset if needed.
They ran out of time and leverage. Once LA and them started shopping 4 around it was LA or a big Bos/NY offer that never came. NO still got a straight up haul.

It is funny to me though that they are shopping 4 around and not Ball. I'd take anything I could get for Ball and take Garland at 4.
Good point.
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I don’t think New Orleans knows if they want to win now or not yet.
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thinktank wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 11:33 am I don’t think New Orleans knows if they want to win now or not yet.
Probably depend on what vets they get offered for #4.
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