AD to the Lakers

[mlhouse]

What? You mean the other way around? You wouldn't give up those 4 picks for Kuzma?

I guess I don't have enough info on those picks. Can you tell me what year's and what they entail

I misread what you wrote, but I would not give up the #4 overall pick for Kuzma if I were the Pelicans.

I wouldn't give up #4 either. I'm talking the future picks they are receiving.

For New Orleans the whole deal depends upon the protections on those future firsts. They need to get a top 10 pick with one of them somewhere, but I doubt that happens.

[KevinBaconIsNotMyHero]

Didn't Kemba just say yesterday that he'd give Charlotte a discount to stay?

Not sure j2j. Would be weird to take a discount to stay in Charlotte. I’d make them give me everything. But maybe he enjoys it there. I won’t judge that. Lebron and AD will no doubt recruit him hard.

https://www.nba.com/article/2019/06/13/ ... s-supermax

At his basketball camp in Charlotte today, the Hornets star said he'd be open to taking less than the supermax this summer. He told reporters at the camp, which was held at Ardrey Kell High School in south Charlotte, that his willingness to do so was to help the Hornets build a better team around him going forward.

"Yeah, why not? Yeah I would be. I would take less, yeah," Walker said when asked if he'd take less than the supermax to help the Hornets build around him.

That’s interesting but they have only the mid level exemption even if Walker took less than the supermax. They have a ton of bad contracts. But it seems like Charlotte is still in it going by that quote.

[Beef Supreme]

It's a good deal for the Lakers. They get a really good player for a bunch of parts.

It's an okay deal for the Pelicans. They weren't getting equal value back. I like Ingram more than most, but he's only "pretty good" at best. the #4 could be a piece. Ball sucks. Hart is nothing. They will look okay if this doesn't work that well for LA and the picks become halfway decent (mid-teens or so).

And that could happen. LeBron is starting to wear down. He missed significant time for the first time last year. He is only 34, but is already 17th all time in minutes played. That could go up to 8th or so this year. Add in his numerous deep playoff runs and there is a lot of tread worn off that tire. I know he's a freak and takes great care of himself, but father time is undefeated. It's clear that LeBron's best days are behind him and he's still elite, but will be gradually going downhill, in terms of performance and availability, as his career progresses.

Davis is a pretty good fit with LeBron, but he misses about 15 games a year too. If he can get his 3pt shooting to improve, they'll be lethal together. Otherwise, I could see Davis getting in LeBron's way a little. They're both great players and I'm sure they'll figure it out, but I could see some growing pains.

Walker is good too, but he's kind of a chucker. If he can tone that down and take the smart shots that LeBron creates for him, it'll work great. But he's been ball-dominant in his career and he'll have to adjust to letting LeBron be the man and playing off the ball. That stressed Lebron and Kyrie's relationship, though they did win a title together despite it.


It could work, if LeBron fends off Father Time for another year, they stay healthy, and the manage to fit their games together. But remember, even the Super-Team in Miami (which LeBron was in his prime for) took a year to win a title. And that team was better than this team and was in a weaker conference.

It could also not work, if age takes it's toll and there are some growing pains meshing them together. If it takes a year or two to click fully, LeBron's play might fall off to the point where they're just a pretty good team and outside contender and not a powerhouse like the names themselves would suggest on paper.

[j2j]

ESPN sources say Kemba Walker is their 1st target.

Didn't Kemba just say yesterday that he'd give Charlotte a discount to stay?

Not sure j2j. Would be weird to take a discount to stay in Charlotte. I’d make them give me everything. But maybe he enjoys it there. I won’t judge that. Lebron and AD will no doubt recruit him hard.

Here's the quote, though now it's not all that convincing hearing it as opposed to reading it.

[KevinBaconIsNotMyHero]

Didn't Kemba just say yesterday that he'd give Charlotte a discount to stay?

Not sure j2j. Would be weird to take a discount to stay in Charlotte. I’d make them give me everything. But maybe he enjoys it there. I won’t judge that. Lebron and AD will no doubt recruit him hard.

Here's the quote, though now it's not all that convincing hearing it as opposed to reading it.

No doubt Charlotte is still a serious contender for his services after listening to that. Free agency will be interesting.

[RubeTube]

Not sure j2j. Would be weird to take a discount to stay in Charlotte. I’d make them give me everything. But maybe he enjoys it there. I won’t judge that. Lebron and AD will no doubt recruit him hard.

Here's the quote, though now it's not all that convincing hearing it as opposed to reading it.

No doubt Charlotte is still a serious contender for his services after listening to that. Free agency will be interesting.

Kemba is one of the few good men left in this league. A throwback and not some sally like most of these guy's nowadays.

[jffl_commish]

Damn. Well, maybe Barrett slides to 4 and Zion and RJ get to reunite?

[OliverMiller]

Potentially preposterous statement: AD shouldn't be considered a top 5 player.

I hate when people say "if healthy". That's like saying KAT would is a top 5 player if you don't consider defense.

Even health aside, ball handlers are always more important. Lebron, Giannis, KD, Kawhi, Steph, and Harden all easily better.

With that said, Lakers should blow by everyone next year

You think it's preposterous to say Anthony Davis is a top 5 player? Ok.

Yes I do in today's NBA. Being an elite playmaker is just so much more important than a big man.

Especially when you're considering health he isn't top 5. In natural ability? Maybe. From actual impact on the floor I completely disagree. Hell, Jokic carried his team this year more than AD ever has.

[irishman89]

Just not enough, IMO. D- for David.

[bombers3shooter]

Damn. Well, maybe Barrett slides to 4 and Zion and RJ get to reunite?

Or the Pels have more than enough ammo to move up a spot to #3 if Barrett is a target.

[KevinBaconIsNotMyHero]

The Pelicans received swap rights in 2023 and 2025. And the 1st in 2024 is unprotected. Makes me feel a little better about the deal from New Orleans view.

[OliverMiller]

Just not enough, IMO. D- for David.

3 picks and two pick swaps with Ingram, Ball, and Hart is really good value. Wouldn't shock me if it goes Brooklyn-Boston style towards the end

[RubeTube]

Just not enough, IMO. D- for David.

Oh my! Irish wanted the house.

[bombers3shooter]

Just not enough, IMO. D- for David.

3 picks and two pick swaps with Ingram, Ball, and Hart is really good value. Wouldn't shock me if it goes Brooklyn-Boston style towards the end

Absolutely. LeBrons already 35 what type of bag of bones is he going to be com 2024? All the dysfunction with the Lakers front office this year. Pels did the right thing. Build around Zion and other young pieces and try to be the next bully on the block!

[mlhouse]

Just not enough, IMO. D- for David.

3 picks and two pick swaps with Ingram, Ball, and Hart is really good value. Wouldn't shock me if it goes Brooklyn-Boston style towards the end

Absolutely. LeBrons already 35 what type of bag of bones is he going to be com 2024? All the dysfunction with the Lakers front office this year. Pels did the right thing. Build around Zion and other young pieces and try to be the next bully on the block!

True, but I am sure that the Pelicans would much rather build aroud Williamson AND FN ANTHONY DAVIS. I know I would.

[RubeTube]

3 picks and two pick swaps with Ingram, Ball, and Hart is really good value. Wouldn't shock me if it goes Brooklyn-Boston style towards the end

Absolutely. LeBrons already 35 what type of bag of bones is he going to be com 2024? All the dysfunction with the Lakers front office this year. Pels did the right thing. Build around Zion and other young pieces and try to be the next bully on the block!

True, but I am sure that the Pelicans would much rather build aroud Williamson AND FN ANTHONY DAVIS. I know I would.

AD didn't want to stay there Zion or not. That's for the rubes.

Zion may or might not be worth the hype. It's going to take awhile to find out. AD is ready to go with the King and win

Many not like it. But even if the King falls off, you are the face of one of the biggest franchises in sports. They still might end up with another young stud.

[RubeTube]

Guy's with character and the tenacity to win play with The King.

You can save all your shit comments. These new punks couldn't of handled playing with Jordan either.

Can't wait to watch Brooklyn sign the loser team of Kyrie and Butler lol.

[mlhouse]

Absolutely. LeBrons already 35 what type of bag of bones is he going to be com 2024? All the dysfunction with the Lakers front office this year. Pels did the right thing. Build around Zion and other young pieces and try to be the next bully on the block!

True, but I am sure that the Pelicans would much rather build aroud Williamson AND FN ANTHONY DAVIS. I know I would.

AD didn't want to stay there Zion or not. That's for the rubes.

Zion may or might not be worth the hype. It's going to take awhile to find out. AD is ready to go with the King and win

Many not like it. But even if the King falls off, you are the face of one of the biggest franchises in sports. They still might end up with another young stud.

That is my point. The Pelicans would rather build around a combo of Davis-Zion-Holliday than any possible outcome of the Davis trade.

[RubeTube]

True, but I am sure that the Pelicans would much rather build aroud Williamson AND FN ANTHONY DAVIS. I know I would.

AD didn't want to stay there Zion or not. That's for the rubes.

Zion may or might not be worth the hype. It's going to take awhile to find out. AD is ready to go with the King and win

Many not like it. But even if the King falls off, you are the face of one of the biggest franchises in sports. They still might end up with another young stud.

That is my point. The Pelicans would rather build around a combo of Davis-Zion-Holliday than any possible outcome of the Davis trade.

Brah, there is no building with AD. He is out. It doesn't matter. They lose him when the contract is up anyway.

This will be our same fate two year's from now when Towns decides he wants out. Only we will be too stupid to even get a deal like this.

Oh and by the way... If Zion pans out, he will be demanding a trade from NO to join some buddies too.

Do you watch the NEW NBA?

Edit: Oops I forgot how NBA contracts work. Zion will first take his max deal from NO because they have the most money to pay him. He will play out the couple years of mediocrity and either demand to join his friends or a big market.

#NBA

[irishman89]

The Pelicans didn't even get a decent player in the deal. None of those players do anything for me and they sure as hell didn't do anything for the Lakers at all yet either. It takes a lot to get screwed over by the freaking Lakers but David Griffin managed to do it.

[mlhouse]

AD didn't want to stay there Zion or not. That's for the rubes.

Zion may or might not be worth the hype. It's going to take awhile to find out. AD is ready to go with the King and win

Many not like it. But even if the King falls off, you are the face of one of the biggest franchises in sports. They still might end up with another young stud.

That is my point. The Pelicans would rather build around a combo of Davis-Zion-Holliday than any possible outcome of the Davis trade.

Brah, there is no building with AD. He is out. It doesn't matter. They lose him when the contract is up anyway.

This will be our same fate two year's from now when Towns decides he wants out. Only we will be too stupid to even get a deal like this.

Oh and by the way... If Zion pans out, he will be demanding a trade from NO to join some buddies too.

Do you watch the NEW NBA?

Edit: Oops I forgot how NBA contracts work. Zion will first take his max deal from NO because they have the most money to pay him. He will play out the couple years of mediocrity and either demand to join his friends or a big market.

#NBA

Dude, you are missing the point.

[RubeTube]

That is my point. The Pelicans would rather build around a combo of Davis-Zion-Holliday than any possible outcome of the Davis trade.

Brah, there is no building with AD. He is out. It doesn't matter. They lose him when the contract is up anyway.

This will be our same fate two year's from now when Towns decides he wants out. Only we will be too stupid to even get a deal like this.

Oh and by the way... If Zion pans out, he will be demanding a trade from NO to join some buddies too.

Do you watch the NEW NBA?

Edit: Oops I forgot how NBA contracts work. Zion will first take his max deal from NO because they have the most money to pay him. He will play out the couple years of mediocrity and either demand to join his friends or a big market.

#NBA

Dude, you are missing the point.

Please explain what I am missing.

[mlhouse]

Brah, there is no building with AD. He is out. It doesn't matter. They lose him when the contract is up anyway.

This will be our same fate two year's from now when Towns decides he wants out. Only we will be too stupid to even get a deal like this.

Oh and by the way... If Zion pans out, he will be demanding a trade from NO to join some buddies too.

Do you watch the NEW NBA?

Edit: Oops I forgot how NBA contracts work. Zion will first take his max deal from NO because they have the most money to pay him. He will play out the couple years of mediocrity and either demand to join his friends or a big market.

#NBA

Dude, you are missing the point.

Please explain what I am missing.

That the Pelicans would much prefer to build around Zion and Davis, not these players.

But, I will let the immortal words of the Rolling Stones make the point: You can't always get what you want.

[sh1mmyya]

I hope to God they sign Jimmy. Please implode that team.

[LordNu]

I hope to God they sign Jimmy. Please implode that team.

Imagine Butler going at AD and Lebron, saying he is the hardest worker on the side.

[populousample]

Ingram, Zion, RJ, just need to hire coach K.

[Moses Scurry]

Three terrible players, one very good draft pick and 2 other probably shit draft picks. Nice work pelicans.

[somuchyummy]

AD was leaving. the pels got what they could. i think everyone is downselling the new NO backcourt. is lonzo terrible on offense? no. he's pretty bad at shooting, but he's a very good distributor who can find great looks for his teammates. and he's much better shooting twos and finishing at the rim than, for example, rubio - (and how that inability to finish has negatively impacted rubio's overall effectiveness). what he also is is a pretty damn good defender. add that to jrue's terrific skills on that end, and the pels could have one of the strongest defensive backcourts in the league. absolutely.

plus jrue's a 20+ ppg scorer - etwaun moore's a very good floor spacer (43% from three last year) - plus add the generational talent of zion to the mix plus whatever they do with the 4th pick. i don't think things are as bleak as everyone's been making it out for NO.

and davis, plus his penchant for getting injured every 15 games, was leaving anyway. in 7 years in the league, davis has missed nearly a season and a half due to injury - and that number is made up of bits and pieces from every year, not skewed by one year where he was out for an entire season. i don't see that tendency magically healing itself out in LA. he constantly gets nicked.

[t_wrex]

If the Lakers had half a brain they would sign DMC.

That would be taking bully ball to a whole nother level. No team could defend lebron/kuzma/ad/boogie in the post without adding a big into their starting line-up. Plus they can all space the floor.

But of course, they're stupid so they're trying to sign Kemba who would be reduced to a glorified role player unless he wants to hog the ball and get blamed for taking away shots from bron and ad.

Stupid.

[bri]

Pelicans made out well especially with how they have swaps and unprotected picks. Those swaps down the line could be quite valuable