*** Official Wolves #11 Pick in 2019 NBA Draft ***

[irishman89]

Would you rather use Homie to move up or to gain an additional first-round pick?

Like 11 and Homie for 6 vs Homie for 17 or wherever he'd fetch.

6 or 11 and 17?

[irishman89]

By the way, I'm finally getting over the denial that we actually ended up with the 11th freaking pick in that damn lottery. Like a bad chapter in a bad dream...

[RubeTube]

Would you rather use Homie to move up or to gain an additional first-round pick?

Like 11 and Homie for 6 vs Homie for 17 or wherever he'd fetch.

6 or 11 and 17?

Homie isn't fetching 5 spots up but just going with the scenario you presented...

If Sekou is there, I want #6. If he's gone, I want #11 and #17

Thrill suggested both of Bostons late picks I believe for Saric.

Something like two mid 20's picks. I would do that also. I would trade him for anything in rd #1 basically.

[witljon]

By the way, I'm finally getting over the denial that we actually ended up with the 11th freaking pick in that damn lottery. Like a bad chapter in a bad dream...

My attitude was if we didn't get a top 2 pick I was happy staying at 10 in this draft.

......I wasn't prepared to drop to 11.

[KATMANDUDE]

Coby White falls, we all in right?

I am, but I don't see it happening. Even if he gets by Suns & Bulls (one of them would take Sekou), I just don't see him getting by The Wiz.

However, I'm beginning to see a narrow path where Hunter could drop.

[j2j]

Coby White falls, we all in right?

I am, but I don't see it happening. Even if he gets by Suns & Bulls (one of them would take Sekou), I just don't see him getting by The Wiz.

However, I'm beginning to see a narrow path where Hunter could drop.

I'm all in favor of RoCo and DAH being our 3/4. Big, strong, long, switch everything, good shooting. Let's do it!

[Thrillkill]

Coby White falls, we all in right?

I am, but I don't see it happening. Even if he gets by Suns & Bulls (one of them would take Sekou), I just don't see him getting by The Wiz.

However, I'm beginning to see a narrow path where Hunter could drop.

I'm all in favor of RoCo and DAH being our 3/4. Big, strong, long, switch everything, good shooting. Let's do it!

No to Hunter. Not strong enough to handle big 4's terrible rebounder. He does not make us better. He falls you take the value in trade back. Take Clarke over him any day.

[somuchyummy]

i love clarke too - but i think you're selling hunter a little short. strong, huge wingspan, team first mindset, career 42% 3pt shooter, and DPOY in one of the best conferences in college ball. there's a lot to like there.

[j2j]

i love clarke too - but i think you're selling hunter a little short. strong, huge wingspan, team first mindset, career 42% 3pt shooter, and DPOY in one of the best conferences in college ball. there's a lot to like there.

Yep! Hunter will be an absolute stud.

[Thrillkill]

i love clarke too - but i think you're selling hunter a little short. strong, huge wingspan, team first mindset, career 42% 3pt shooter, and DPOY in one of the best conferences in college ball. there's a lot to like there.

His D is overrated because he played on a top 3 defense in college the whole time. He's crazy long but not that strong or particularly athletic. And he does not board. We can not put a guy at the 4 who gets 5 rebounds a game. It's probably our biggest problem.

If he gets to us you start talking to Bos who has some tough rebounding 2's and 3's and snatch up some pf their picks. Hunter is definitely in the Saric camp. Good player who's value to other is greater than to us.

[somuchyummy]

i love clarke too - but i think you're selling hunter a little short. strong, huge wingspan, team first mindset, career 42% 3pt shooter, and DPOY in one of the best conferences in college ball. there's a lot to like there.

His D is overrated because he played on a top 3 defense in college the whole time. He's crazy long but not that strong or particularly athletic. And he does not board. We can not put a guy at the 4 who gets 5 rebounds a game. It's probably our biggest problem.

If he gets to us you start talking to Bos who has some tough rebounding 2's and 3's and snatch up some pf their picks. Hunter is definitely in the Saric camp. Good player who's value to other is greater than to us.

or... their defense was top 3 because hunter was a main cog in it. i like clarke better for us too - but do think you're selling hunter short. did he only average only 5 boards a game because he's a poor rebounder - or because he's such a versatile defender that half the time he was out on the perimeter covering wings? his value to us is perhaps higher as a trade chip, you're right. mostly i think we need a 4 and he's more a 3 - but if we needed a 3, IMO he'd be a great option for us.

[Thrillkill]

i love clarke too - but i think you're selling hunter a little short. strong, huge wingspan, team first mindset, career 42% 3pt shooter, and DPOY in one of the best conferences in college ball. there's a lot to like there.

His D is overrated because he played on a top 3 defense in college the whole time. He's crazy long but not that strong or particularly athletic. And he does not board. We can not put a guy at the 4 who gets 5 rebounds a game. It's probably our biggest problem.

If he gets to us you start talking to Bos who has some tough rebounding 2's and 3's and snatch up some pf their picks. Hunter is definitely in the Saric camp. Good player who's value to other is greater than to us.

or... their defense was top 3 because hunter was a main cog in it. i like clarke better for us too - but do think you're selling hunter short. did he only average only 5 boards a game because he's a poor rebounder - or because he's such a versatile defender that half the time he was out on the perimeter covering wings? his value to us is perhaps higher as a trade chip, you're right. mostly i think we need a 4 and he's more a 3 - but if we needed a 3, IMO he'd be a great option for us.

They were before him and will be after. It's their system both the pack line D and how slow they play on offense feeding into it. Clark was all over the floor, played point in their zone, switched everything, flew around for blocks, ran the floor for dunks, and managed to somehow still rebound. If Hunter is such a great defender I ask you to compare his blk+stl numbers to Clarke. It's straight up night and day.

[j2j]

Blocks and steals, two of the most overrated raw stats in basketball.

[flexbuffchest]

Blocks and steals, two of the most overrated raw stats in basketball.

Deflection rates > raw steals.

[j2j]

Blocks and steals, two of the most overrated raw stats in basketball.

Deflection rates > raw steals.

In other words how many balls do you get your hands on compared to how many opportunities you have to get your hands on balls.

Spoiler:

Phrasing

[Thrillkill]

Blocks and steals, two of the most overrated raw stats in basketball.

So what? Are you saying you can't judge a defender by those stats? May not be the end all be all to the team but they certainly speak to how good and active a defender is. Clarke has 4 times as many as Hunter. Maybe even more.

[j2j]

Blocks and steals, two of the most overrated raw stats in basketball.

So what? Are you saying you can't judge a defender by those stats? May not be the end all be all to the team but they certainly speak to how good and active a defender is. Clarke has 4 times as many as Hunter. Maybe even more.

Who is a better defender; James Harden or Klay Thompson?

Who is a better defender; Karl-Anthony Towns or Draymond Green?

Andre Drummond was #1 in the league in blks(#2)+stls(#5). Is he the best defender in the league?

[somuchyummy]

His D is overrated because he played on a top 3 defense in college the whole time. He's crazy long but not that strong or particularly athletic. And he does not board. We can not put a guy at the 4 who gets 5 rebounds a game. It's probably our biggest problem.

If he gets to us you start talking to Bos who has some tough rebounding 2's and 3's and snatch up some pf their picks. Hunter is definitely in the Saric camp. Good player who's value to other is greater than to us.

or... their defense was top 3 because hunter was a main cog in it. i like clarke better for us too - but do think you're selling hunter short. did he only average only 5 boards a game because he's a poor rebounder - or because he's such a versatile defender that half the time he was out on the perimeter covering wings? his value to us is perhaps higher as a trade chip, you're right. mostly i think we need a 4 and he's more a 3 - but if we needed a 3, IMO he'd be a great option for us.

They were before him and will be after. It's their system both the pack line D and how slow they play on offense feeding into it. Clark was all over the floor, played point in their zone, switched everything, flew around for blocks, ran the floor for dunks, and managed to somehow still rebound. If Hunter is such a great defender I ask you to compare his blk+stl numbers to Clarke. It's straight up night and day.

you may be right. but this is where you get into trouble. there are plenty of other fine bb minds in the country (you're not the only one) - idk, who votes for ACC DPOY, the coaches maybe? - who looked at hunter's play on the court and named him the best defender in one of the best conferences in the country. they're all bozos? and once again, i want clarke at 11. i think he's a PF in the league. i think hunter is a SF. if we needed a SF, i think hunter would be an okay get at 11. and, yes, i'd like him at 11 way more than jaxson hayes or nassir little or bol bol.

[Thrillkill]

Blocks and steals, two of the most overrated raw stats in basketball.

So what? Are you saying you can't judge a defender by those stats? May not be the end all be all to the team but they certainly speak to how good and active a defender is. Clarke has 4 times as many as Hunter. Maybe even more.

Who is a better defender; James Harden or Klay Thompson?

Who is a better defender; Karl-Anthony Towns or Draymond Green?

Andre Drummond was #1 in the league in blks(#2)+stls(#5). Is he the best defender in the league?

You don't think Drummond was one of the best defenders in the league? Add his defensive rebounding to that?

If you think Hunter is a better defender than Clarke just say so and I will remind you all year long. And guys who don't play D and just chase steals or blocks are always there. We have one. We aren't comparing stat padders. We're comparing legit defenders.

[somuchyummy]

i, for one, am not saying hunter is superior to clarke defensively. i think clarke is REALLY exceptional in that regard. but hunter is a pretty damn good defender. he's miles ahead of rui, to give one example of another highly rated tweener. and rui - as a scorer - has a college 3PT% a full ten points lower than hunter's college career average. i know you're big on rui and low on hunter. do you rate rui (a worse shooter and defender) higher than hunter?

[Thrillkill]

i, for one, am not saying hunter is superior to clarke defensively. i think clarke is REALLY exceptional in that regard. but hunter is a pretty damn good defender. he's miles ahead of rui, to give one example of another highly rated tweener.

Hunter is good defender but overrated. The definition of overrated is anyone who some call the best defender in the draft in the same draft as Clarke. Clarke is in a league of his own.

[somuchyummy]

maybe in the paint. thybulle is probably in a league of his own elsewhere.

[j2j]

So what? Are you saying you can't judge a defender by those stats? May not be the end all be all to the team but they certainly speak to how good and active a defender is. Clarke has 4 times as many as Hunter. Maybe even more.

Who is a better defender; James Harden or Klay Thompson?

Who is a better defender; Karl-Anthony Towns or Draymond Green?

Andre Drummond was #1 in the league in blks(#2)+stls(#5). Is he the best defender in the league?

You don't think Drummond was one of the best defenders in the league? Add his defensive rebounding to that?

If you think Hunter is a better defender than Clarke just say so and I will remind you all year long. And guys who don't play D and just chase steals or blocks are always there. We have one. We aren't comparing stat padders. We're comparing legit defenders.

Your reading comprehension continues to suffer in your rage.

[Thrillkill]

maybe in the paint. thybulle is probably in a league of his own elsewhere.

Thybull is a freak but they entirely built a defense around him the last 2 years and let him freelance. Clarke stepped into a championship level program and was a force from game 1. And I'll take Clarke on the perimeter over Thybull in the post any day. Clarke blocks shots every way. Thybull is a sneaky backside block guy. But I'd trade every Wolf ever to get those 2 on the team at the same time.

[Thrillkill]

Who is a better defender; James Harden or Klay Thompson?

Who is a better defender; Karl-Anthony Towns or Draymond Green?

Andre Drummond was #1 in the league in blks(#2)+stls(#5). Is he the best defender in the league?

You don't think Drummond was one of the best defenders in the league? Add his defensive rebounding to that?

If you think Hunter is a better defender than Clarke just say so and I will remind you all year long. And guys who don't play D and just chase steals or blocks are always there. We have one. We aren't comparing stat padders. We're comparing legit defenders.

Your reading comprehension continues to suffer in your rage.

It's so fun when you think real hard for a comeback and just use mine for you instead. I'm honored. By the way care to actually answer? No?

Shocker.

[j2j]

You don't think Drummond was one of the best defenders in the league? Add his defensive rebounding to that?

If you think Hunter is a better defender than Clarke just say so and I will remind you all year long. And guys who don't play D and just chase steals or blocks are always there. We have one. We aren't comparing stat padders. We're comparing legit defenders.

Your reading comprehension continues to suffer in your rage.

It's so fun when you think real hard for a comeback and just use mine for you instead. I'm honored. By the way care to actually answer? No?

Shocker.

wAt?

Your inability to either read my posts or comprehend what I've posted makes it a waste of time to go down this road... Again...

Your brain functions on the level of "must score message board points and drop comebacks and insults on those that don't agree with me", what value could I possibly find in anything you attempt to contribute?

[Thrillkill]

Your reading comprehension continues to suffer in your rage.

It's so fun when you think real hard for a comeback and just use mine for you instead. I'm honored. By the way care to actually answer? No?

Shocker.

wAt?

Your inability to either read my posts or comprehend what I've posted makes it a waste of time to go down this road... Again...

Your brain functions on the level of "must score message board points and drop comebacks and insults on those that don't agree with me", what value could I possibly find in anything you attempt to contribute?

Care to answer? No? Shocker

[j2j]

It's so fun when you think real hard for a comeback and just use mine for you instead. I'm honored. By the way care to actually answer? No?

Shocker.

wAt?

Your inability to either read my posts or comprehend what I've posted makes it a waste of time to go down this road... Again...

Your brain functions on the level of "must score message board points and drop comebacks and insults on those that don't agree with me", what value could I possibly find in anything you attempt to contribute?

Care to answer? No? Shocker

What was the question?

[Thrillkill]

wAt?

Your inability to either read my posts or comprehend what I've posted makes it a waste of time to go down this road... Again...

Your brain functions on the level of "must score message board points and drop comebacks and insults on those that don't agree with me", what value could I possibly find in anything you attempt to contribute?

Care to answer? No? Shocker

What was the question?

Is Hunter going to be a better defender than Clarke. No question at all who is now. Will he be better than Clarke. Brandon Clarke. The guy from Gonzaga. Will Hunter be a better defender than him?

[j2j]

Care to answer? No? Shocker

What was the question?

Is Hunter going to be a better defender than Clarke. No question at all who is now. Will he be better than Clarke. Brandon Clarke. The guy from Gonzaga. Will Hunter be a better defender than him?

When did I say he would be?

This is exactly why I continue to question your ability to comprehend what you read when you're in rage mode.