*** Official Wolves #11 Pick in 2019 NBA Draft ***

[HeHateMe]

French kid is looking awesome. He will be gone before we pick

this draft is weak. He's going top 8

Zion, Ja, RJ.. then Garland, White, Reddish, Hunter and Culver are all going somewhere in the top 10. That's 8, I doubt Sekou gets by both of Atlanta's picks so that's 9 of 10 guy. Hachimura, Bol, Little, Hayes, NAW, Clarke … one of those gone and we get the pick of the rest.

[Moses Scurry]

Someone have a worst case scenario 1-10? That's how I deal with FF drafts, i assume everyone takes who i want, then what do I do?

[j2j]

Someone have a worst case scenario 1-10? That's how I deal with FF drafts, i assume everyone takes who i want, then what do I do?

That means we won't get him. Wonder what plan B is?

Hopefully Sekou is plan A, but they don't expect him to be there. Then someone else swoops in and grabs Rui, leaving Sekou for us.

Zion, Ja, RJ, Hunter, Culver, Garland, and White are the 7 guys who I believe are guaranteed to go before us.

Then there's a mashup of these 7 who I believe have a chance of being in the top 10 somewhere due to rumors:
Cam Reddish
Sekou Doumbouya
Rui Hachimura
Brandon Clarke
Jaxson Hayes
Nassir Little
Kevin Porter Jr

Best case scenario Porter and Reddish are 2 of the 3 we need to go before us.

[witljon]

Any chance Jaxon Hayes falls to pick 11?

I'd say there's a chance....

[Wakanda]

French kid is looking awesome. He will be gone before we pick

this draft is weak. He's going top 8

It worth moving up to try and grab him? What would it cost to move up 3 spots?

[somuchyummy]

not a big fan of hayes. seems like he lucked into being this year's buzz guy. there's one every year. and i get his strengths - but they're honestly not that unusual anymore. nic claxton - mocked mid second - has nearly the same measurements and nearly the same season avgs as hayes, but nic can actually put the ball on the floor. i'm not saying that claxton should also be a lottery player. i'm saying i'm dubious about hayes' path to becoming a lock for the lottery. if i were putting together a mock i'd have those two fairly close sometime in the late first early second round. hayes, fyi, shot ZERO 3 pointers in his one season in college and had averages of less than 9rpg and 0.5 apg PER 40. i just can't get that excited about him.

[Hoop Dreams]

not a big fan of hayes. seems like he lucked into being this year's buzz guy. there's one every year. and i get his strengths - but they're honestly not that unusual anymore. nic claxton - mocked mid second - has nearly the same measurements and nearly the same season avgs as hayes, but nic can actually put the ball on the floor. i'm not saying that claxton should also be a lottery player. i'm saying i'm dubious about hayes' path to becoming a lock for the lottery. if i were putting together a mock i'd have those two fairly close sometime in the late first early second round. hayes, fyi, shot ZERO 3 pointers in his one season in college and had averages of less than 9rpg and 0.5 apg PER 40. i just can't get that excited about him.

Hayes is a late bloomer. He wasn't a starter for his high school team until his senior year. He didn't start for Texas until late December. He's raw and will take some time, but his defensive potential is crazy. He kinda reminds me of Joakim Noah. I don't know if he will make an immediate impact, but he could be really good in a couple years.

[DonaldDouchebag]

Really hope Garland falls. I see a lot of Poop Richardson in the kid.

[somuchyummy]

not a big fan of hayes. seems like he lucked into being this year's buzz guy. there's one every year. and i get his strengths - but they're honestly not that unusual anymore. nic claxton - mocked mid second - has nearly the same measurements and nearly the same season avgs as hayes, but nic can actually put the ball on the floor. i'm not saying that claxton should also be a lottery player. i'm saying i'm dubious about hayes' path to becoming a lock for the lottery. if i were putting together a mock i'd have those two fairly close sometime in the late first early second round. hayes, fyi, shot ZERO 3 pointers in his one season in college and had averages of less than 9rpg and 0.5 apg PER 40. i just can't get that excited about him.

Hayes is a late bloomer. He wasn't a starter for his high school team until his senior year. He didn't start for Texas until late December. He's raw and will take some time, but his defensive potential is crazy. He kinda reminds me of Joakim Noah. I don't know if he will make an immediate impact, but he could be really good in a couple years.

i get that. but i wouldn't take him at 11. i'll belabor my point with stats - as i am wont to do, with a comparison between him and claxton. both played for schools in tough conferences (hayes' big 12 had 6 ncca tourney teams, claxton's SEC had 7) - so they've faced similar competition. they both played about the same MPG - so i'll use PER 40 stats. claxton is a year older than hayes.

hayes - 17.1/8.6/0.5 with 3.8 blocks
claxton - 16.4/10.8/2.3 with 3.2 blocks

combine results:

hayes - 6-11.5 and 219 lbs - 7-3.5 wingspan - 9-2.5 standing reach - 5% body fat
claxton - 6-11.75 and 217 lbs - 7-2.5 wingspan - 9-2 standing reach - 4.25% body fat

hayes - 27" standing vert - 31" max vert
claxton - 31.5" standing vert - 36" max vert
this one's interesting - claxton has a better standing vert than hayes' max vert - and a full 5" advantage in max verts.

claxton was a half second better than hayes in the lane agility drill.
hayes was 2 tenths better in the shuttle run and 1.3 tenths better in the 3/4 sprint

what's all this suggest to me? that hayes has been the lucky recipient of some inexplicable predraft buzz that every year some players get - and others (like claxton) don't. could he become a really good nba player? sure, i'm not saying he won't. what i'm saying is that the gap between him and a guy like nic claxton (and there are others) isn't nearly as big as these mocks would suggest. and i wouldn't use an 11 on him (or claxton). but if we happened to be picking at 24 and both were available - i'd be hard-pressed to pick hayes over claxton. as it stands, after the combine, it looks like claxton's stock is rising because of the defensive versatility plus the ball handling he showed during workouts there. he may go mid to late 20s now like i suggested he could. hayes at 11 seems like a real reach for a player who at this point is pretty one dimensional.

[HeHateMe]

Really hope Garland falls. I see a lot of Poop Richardson in the kid.

I think Poop Richardson has a better shot at playing in a Wolves uni next year. Or maybe Poop's former teammate, Winston Garland.

EDIT, looks like Winston missed Poop by a couple of years.

[irishman89]

Judy Garland from Kansas will be available.

[Billy Ray]

French kid is looking awesome. He will be gone before we pick

this draft is weak. He's going top 8

Zion, Ja, RJ.. then Garland, White, Reddish, Hunter and Culver are all going somewhere in the top 10. That's 8, I doubt Sekou gets by both of Atlanta's picks so that's 9 of 10 guy. Hachimura, Bol, Little, Hayes, NAW, Clarke … one of those gone and we get the pick of the rest.

Wouldnt be shocked if Reddish dropped out off top 8

[witljon]

this draft is weak. He's going top 8

Zion, Ja, RJ.. then Garland, White, Reddish, Hunter and Culver are all going somewhere in the top 10. That's 8, I doubt Sekou gets by both of Atlanta's picks so that's 9 of 10 guy. Hachimura, Bol, Little, Hayes, NAW, Clarke … one of those gone and we get the pick of the rest.

Wouldnt be shocked if Reddish dropped out off top 8

Right now (if available) Im liking Reddish, Hayes, Little, Porter jr, and maybe Sekou at 11.

[mglviks]

If we trade back I sure hope we land Ty Jerome.
Dude gets no love. But I see a mini Rubio, only with a 3pt shot.

[flexbuffchest]

this draft is weak. He's going top 8

Zion, Ja, RJ.. then Garland, White, Reddish, Hunter and Culver are all going somewhere in the top 10. That's 8, I doubt Sekou gets by both of Atlanta's picks so that's 9 of 10 guy. Hachimura, Bol, Little, Hayes, NAW, Clarke … one of those gone and we get the pick of the rest.

Wouldnt be shocked if Reddish dropped out off top 8

I know I've said that Rui is one prospect that I do not want but Reddish takes the cake for me. Dude has bust written all over him. He was not very good at all.

[somuchyummy]

If we trade back I sure hope we land Ty Jerome.
Dude gets no love. But I see a mini Rubio, only with a 3pt shot.

why a mini rubio? dude's 6-5. i see more a maxi tyus with a shot.

[KATMANDUDE]

Any chance Jaxon Hayes falls to pick 11?

Sure if Hachimura and Doumboya go before him. Atl desperately need a front court pair for Collins. Lot will depend if they see Collins as a 4 or a 5.

I'd draft Goga Bitazde before Hayes if I needed a center. I wouldn't even be too surprised if Atl took him at #10.

[witljon]

Any chance Jaxon Hayes falls to pick 11?

Sure if Hachimura and Doumboya go before him. Atl desperately need a front court pair for Collins. Lot will depend if they see Collins as a 4 or a 5.

I'd draft Goga Bitazde before Hayes if I needed a center. I wouldn't even be too surprised if Atl took him at #10.

I have never seen Bitadze play, have you?

[Thrillkill]

Any chance Jaxon Hayes falls to pick 11?

Sure if Hachimura and Doumboya go before him. Atl desperately need a front court pair for Collins. Lot will depend if they see Collins as a 4 or a 5.

I'd draft Goga Bitazde before Hayes if I needed a center. I wouldn't even be too surprised if Atl took him at #10.

Will depend if they see Collins as C or 4. Will depend just how fast they intend to play. If I was them I'd certainly consider slowing the pace and playing bigger with Bitazde at the 5. He reminds me a little of Pek

[mlhouse]

Zion, Ja, RJ.. then Garland, White, Reddish, Hunter and Culver are all going somewhere in the top 10. That's 8, I doubt Sekou gets by both of Atlanta's picks so that's 9 of 10 guy. Hachimura, Bol, Little, Hayes, NAW, Clarke … one of those gone and we get the pick of the rest.

Wouldnt be shocked if Reddish dropped out off top 8

I know I've said that Rui is one prospect that I do not want but Reddish takes the cake for me. Dude has bust written all over him. He was not very good at all.

Why woudl you pass on Rui? He has a solid floor and a huge upside. Big motor. Strong prospect.

[flexbuffchest]

Wouldnt be shocked if Reddish dropped out off top 8

I know I've said that Rui is one prospect that I do not want but Reddish takes the cake for me. Dude has bust written all over him. He was not very good at all.

Why woudl you pass on Rui? He has a solid floor and a huge upside. Big motor. Strong prospect.

I just like Clarke better. That's pretty much it. Might not be the most logical position to take but for once I want to draft a guy that is pretty much plug and play that you know will be a good defender.

[mlhouse]

I know I've said that Rui is one prospect that I do not want but Reddish takes the cake for me. Dude has bust written all over him. He was not very good at all.

Why woudl you pass on Rui? He has a solid floor and a huge upside. Big motor. Strong prospect.

I just like Clarke better. That's pretty much it. Might not be the most logical position to take but for once I want to draft a guy that is pretty much plug and play that you know will be a good defender.

ok.. I get it. But, if Brandon Clarke did not exist then you would consider Rui? Which do you think was more important to Gonzaga?

[SO_MONEY]

Wouldnt be shocked if Reddish dropped out off top 8

I know I've said that Rui is one prospect that I do not want but Reddish takes the cake for me. Dude has bust written all over him. He was not very good at all.

Why woudl you pass on Rui? He has a solid floor and a huge upside. Big motor. Strong prospect.

He might be a strong prospect, relitively speaking, but the BBIQ and more so rebounding are big concerns and may drastically limit his upside. The question with him is what are the effects of the late start and language barrier. I am less forgiving in my assessments regarding thoes things personally.

[flexbuffchest]

Why woudl you pass on Rui? He has a solid floor and a huge upside. Big motor. Strong prospect.

I just like Clarke better. That's pretty much it. Might not be the most logical position to take but for once I want to draft a guy that is pretty much plug and play that you know will be a good defender.

ok.. I get it. But, if Brandon Clarke did not exist then you would consider Rui? Which do you think was more important to Gonzaga?

1) Yes
2) Clarke impacted the team in many more ways than Rui did. Not saying Rui was bad by any means at all because he was amazing this year but Clarke was one of the most impactful players in college last year.

[j2j]

Have there been negative comments about Rui's bbiq?

[mlhouse]

I know I've said that Rui is one prospect that I do not want but Reddish takes the cake for me. Dude has bust written all over him. He was not very good at all.

Why woudl you pass on Rui? He has a solid floor and a huge upside. Big motor. Strong prospect.

He might be a strong prospect, relitively speaking, but the BBIQ and more so rebounding are big concerns and may drastically limit his upside. The question with him is what are the effects of the late start and language barrier. I am less forgiving in my assessments regarding thoes things personally.

I just see that as huge potential that has been untapped.

The real question is do the Wolves have the patience and/or expertise to develop these things. Teach the guy to properly box out, which isn't that hard, and he would be a tremendous rebounder because he is very powerfully built. He has shown knacks for offensive rebounding. I also think his game is really suited for the NBA, even more so if he works on his 3 point shooting. Trying to close him out will be a real hard thing to do.

[KevinBaconIsNotMyHero]

Have there been negative comments about Rui's bbiq?

Well he's not good defensively off the ball and is pretty bad guarding the pnr. I think his off ball play in general is his biggest weakness for me. When he has the ball I think he's pretty exciting and efficient. BTW, answering mlhouse, Brandon Clarke was a much better player for Gonzaga than Hachimura overall. Impacted winning more.

[Thrillkill]

I know I've said that Rui is one prospect that I do not want but Reddish takes the cake for me. Dude has bust written all over him. He was not very good at all.

Why woudl you pass on Rui? He has a solid floor and a huge upside. Big motor. Strong prospect.

I just like Clarke better. That's pretty much it. Might not be the most logical position to take but for once I want to draft a guy that is pretty much plug and play that you know will be a good defender.

This. Hachimura may have more upside as a shooter and handler but that's not our need at the 4. And His upside as a defender is not what Clarke is from minute 1.

[Thrillkill]

Have there been negative comments about Rui's bbiq?

Well he's not good defensively off the ball and is pretty bad guarding the pnr. I think his off ball play in general is his biggest weakness for me. When he has the ball I think he's pretty exciting and efficient. BTW, answering mlhouse, Brandon Clarke was a much better player for Gonzaga than Hachimura overall. Impacted winning more.

He's a solid defender. most all of his blocks come helping. But he hasn't played a lot of organized ball. He plays hard and made great strides elsewhere while also having to learn the language. He needs time in the team concept but will be really good IMO. I don't want to wait.

[KevinBaconIsNotMyHero]

Have there been negative comments about Rui's bbiq?

Well he's not good defensively off the ball and is pretty bad guarding the pnr. I think his off ball play in general is his biggest weakness for me. When he has the ball I think he's pretty exciting and efficient. BTW, answering mlhouse, Brandon Clarke was a much better player for Gonzaga than Hachimura overall. Impacted winning more.

He's a solid defender. most all of his blocks come helping. But he hasn't played a lot of organized ball. He plays hard and made great strides elsewhere while also having to learn the language. He needs time in the team concept but will be really good IMO. I don't want to wait.

I don’t disagree with any of that except that he was solid defensively. He really wasn’t imo and Clarke made him look decent. A lot of tape of Clarke yelling at Rui on where to be, when to help, and he’s really bad on guarding pnr. I agree he can be good on defense because of his strength, length, and athleticism, but I really think he’s raw on defense. And you’re right to say he hasn’t played organized basketball as much as other prospects and that he has improved vastly in certain areas, but defense I personally don’t think is one of them.