Absolutely you could increase the long term return by taking back short term money. Taking that money allows other teams to get in the mix for him not just teams with space. It allows those teams that strike out on big time FA's to still get a name and have space. Not to mention there are always teams that have stacked a position with good players. Lots of teams end up with a good high paid player and hit on a star in the draft behind them. Just on that cap management angle you can get more. And with all trades it's not those teams vs you, it's those teams vs each other. Like Butler. I don't think we got the best deal. I don't think we got a completely fair deal. But we didn't get a bad deal and that's the only way you screw yourself. So many here are willing to screw the team long term just so they can get rid of Wigs. Makes no sense at all. It's a reactionary take reminding me of their awesome ownerHeHateMe wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:51 amMy stance a year ago was you wouldn't have to attach assets. All depends on the return, maybe to get a better return you throw in a pick. Lots of teams looking at cap space will strike out, yes, and I do believe MN trading him without taking anything back would be a huge win in terms of positioning itself for a big summer 2020 free agency when Teague comes off the books and you can potentially move Dieng or stretch his contract too for the final year.Thrillkill wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:43 amDon't be ridiculous. You would not have to attach to Wigs. You would get a return. I will again repeat what basketball people throughout the league realize that rubes never seem to.HeHateMe wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 9:24 am
Everyone's prediction going on 1.5 years was if the Wiggins extension doesn't work out, some team in the east will take a flyer. Now what you get/have to attach to sending him out is the debate. Wiggins is movable but at what cost? The 2019 first rounder? No thanks. A future protected first where they give it up if they make the playoffs like the Payne pick (ugh), that seems more reasonable but you don't offer that right away.
Teams with big money this FA will strike out. Those GM's will be desperate for a splash. And you always have the possibility that Kawhi leaves.
Other teams look at that and think we have ruined him. They will think they can get way more and they can get more than we got the last 2 years. So can we next year. And while they may want to steal him we won't let that happen.
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It's all subjective. I think most Timberwolves fans are fine parting with Wiggins if it helps the team in the immediate future while not giving away future assets that could end up being needed. I'm no Wiggins hater so I'm certainly not "trade him for whatever the fuck you can get" just to get him out of here. I am fairly disappointed in his lack desire to be great so I'm at the point where I fully support the organization if they want to move on from him. If he's back, I hope he works hard and shoots three/takes the ball to the hoop while playing good defense.Thrillkill wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 11:04 amAbsolutely you could increase the long term return by taking back short term money. Taking that money allows other teams to get in the mix for him not just teams with space. It allows those teams that strike out on big time FA's to still get a name and have space. Not to mention there are always teams that have stacked a position with good players. Lots of teams end up with a good high paid player and hit on a star in the draft behind them. Just on that cap management angle you can get more. And with all trades it's not those teams vs you, it's those teams vs each other. Like Butler. I don't think we got the best deal. I don't think we got a completely fair deal. But we didn't get a bad deal and that's the only way you screw yourself. So many here are willing to screw the team long term just so they can get rid of Wigs. Makes no sense at all. It's a reactionary take reminding me of their awesome ownerHeHateMe wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:51 amMy stance a year ago was you wouldn't have to attach assets. All depends on the return, maybe to get a better return you throw in a pick. Lots of teams looking at cap space will strike out, yes, and I do believe MN trading him without taking anything back would be a huge win in terms of positioning itself for a big summer 2020 free agency when Teague comes off the books and you can potentially move Dieng or stretch his contract too for the final year.Thrillkill wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:43 am
Don't be ridiculous. You would not have to attach to Wigs. You would get a return. I will again repeat what basketball people throughout the league realize that rubes never seem to.
Teams with big money this FA will strike out. Those GM's will be desperate for a splash. And you always have the possibility that Kawhi leaves.
Other teams look at that and think we have ruined him. They will think they can get way more and they can get more than we got the last 2 years. So can we next year. And while they may want to steal him we won't let that happen.
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My perspective is always team not player. When I was a kid we didn't have a team so the Bucks were mine. Favorite players were Ice Man and Dr. J but when they played the Bucks I cheered for them to suck. So many now are player lovers more than team. Hence also player haters.HeHateMe wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 11:11 amIt's all subjective. I think most Timberwolves fans are fine parting with Wiggins if it helps the team in the immediate future while not giving away future assets that could end up being needed. I'm no Wiggins hater so I'm certainly not "trade him for whatever the fuck you can get" just to get him out of here. I am fairly disappointed in his lack desire to be great so I'm at the point where I fully support the organization if they want to move on from him. If he's back, I hope he works hard and shoots three/takes the ball to the hoop while playing good defense.Thrillkill wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 11:04 amAbsolutely you could increase the long term return by taking back short term money. Taking that money allows other teams to get in the mix for him not just teams with space. It allows those teams that strike out on big time FA's to still get a name and have space. Not to mention there are always teams that have stacked a position with good players. Lots of teams end up with a good high paid player and hit on a star in the draft behind them. Just on that cap management angle you can get more. And with all trades it's not those teams vs you, it's those teams vs each other. Like Butler. I don't think we got the best deal. I don't think we got a completely fair deal. But we didn't get a bad deal and that's the only way you screw yourself. So many here are willing to screw the team long term just so they can get rid of Wigs. Makes no sense at all. It's a reactionary take reminding me of their awesome ownerHeHateMe wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:51 am
My stance a year ago was you wouldn't have to attach assets. All depends on the return, maybe to get a better return you throw in a pick. Lots of teams looking at cap space will strike out, yes, and I do believe MN trading him without taking anything back would be a huge win in terms of positioning itself for a big summer 2020 free agency when Teague comes off the books and you can potentially move Dieng or stretch his contract too for the final year.
I am always of the mind that I will trade anyone as long as it makes the team better. Don't care how big a star they are. But I'm never trading anyone if it's a bad deal. And trading Wigs right now just seems like no way you could get the proper return. I do think we could move him. We have wing depth and the draft has good wings. But we would need to get back a legit 4 or PG or a pick that gets one. Don't think that happens right now but who knows. To me the best move is keep Saunders as coach and hope the stuff Flip and Sam had for Wigs that had him on a great trajectory returns and so does Wigs. The end of the year at least gives hope to that.
I think the odds that Wigs plays well enough starting next year to either propel us or get a better return exceed the odds of us getting something in a trade now that makes us better. We are done with 2 steps back to make a step forward. We had enough to win this year. Injuries and bizarre circumstances conspired against us. Al steps now should be 1 step froward until we are in a position to take the final steps.
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I don’t think he could throw out one more corporate leadership buzzword. I will have to watch how it starts to come together here before I actually understand what he is talking about.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 10:58 amLulz. Just string together a few winning seasons around here first.
His bit about maximizing players strengths and figure out how to play around or hide their weaknesses is something I have said a lot so I can relate to that and am happy to hear it.
Seems sharp and excited to take on this challenge. I wish him nothing but the best of luck.
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I like what I heard. See how it goes
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He might wanna think about only taking two Valium next time he does an interview.
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That lasted all of a minute for me. When I heard Jim Pete say "Bring the Wolves back to relevancy" and then Rosas says "Unwake the sleeping giant" I had enough.
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UnFadeable21 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:55 pm Edwards Negatives:
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I don’t know what some of you honestly expect. He comes down from the rafters like Sting in WCW and scorpion death drops Sid Hartman and holds a baseball bat to Scott Layden? It’s a fucking press conference for an executive for crying out loud.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:49 pm That lasted all of a minute for me. When I heard Jim Pete say "Bring the Wolves back to relevancy" and then Rosas says "Unwake the sleeping giant" I had enough.
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Well come on!! This is the Wolves! Nobody follows this team but diehards and unless you are one, you are not watching this interview. It's offensive to our intelligence as basketball fans at this point.KevinBaconIsNotMyHero wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:04 pmI don’t know what some of you honestly expect. He comes down from the rafters like Sting in WCW and scorpion death drops Sid Hartman and holds a baseball bat to Scott Layden? It’s a fucking press conference for an executive for crying out loud.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:49 pm That lasted all of a minute for me. When I heard Jim Pete say "Bring the Wolves back to relevancy" and then Rosas says "Unwake the sleeping giant" I had enough.
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Probably would rather heard a hint of the plan going forward but I guess put to sleep the sleeping giant is................................ Wolves par for the course.KevinBaconIsNotMyHero wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:04 pmI don’t know what some of you honestly expect. He comes down from the rafters like Sting in WCW and scorpion death drops Sid Hartman and holds a baseball bat to Scott Layden? It’s a fucking press conference for an executive for crying out loud.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:49 pm That lasted all of a minute for me. When I heard Jim Pete say "Bring the Wolves back to relevancy" and then Rosas says "Unwake the sleeping giant" I had enough.
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Sergeant Rubetube hates everything. Literally, go find one post in any forum where he's like, this guy is awesome!!!!KevinBaconIsNotMyHero wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:04 pmI don’t know what some of you honestly expect. He comes down from the rafters like Sting in WCW and scorpion death drops Sid Hartman and holds a baseball bat to Scott Layden? It’s a fucking press conference for an executive for crying out loud.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:49 pm That lasted all of a minute for me. When I heard Jim Pete say "Bring the Wolves back to relevancy" and then Rosas says "Unwake the sleeping giant" I had enough.
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I’m not sure I’ve ever watched a press conference introduction where there’s any substance of game planning or roster development , etc. But it’s completely fine to want that. I’m just not sure you’re getting that in any introductory press conference.Thrillkill wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:13 pmProbably would rather heard a hint of the plan going forward but I guess put to sleep the sleeping giant is................................ Wolves par for the course.KevinBaconIsNotMyHero wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:04 pmI don’t know what some of you honestly expect. He comes down from the rafters like Sting in WCW and scorpion death drops Sid Hartman and holds a baseball bat to Scott Layden? It’s a fucking press conference for an executive for crying out loud.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:49 pm That lasted all of a minute for me. When I heard Jim Pete say "Bring the Wolves back to relevancy" and then Rosas says "Unwake the sleeping giant" I had enough.
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I generally like a grasp of the language though. Hopefully it's his 2nd.KevinBaconIsNotMyHero wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:29 pmI’m not sure I’ve ever watched a press conference introduction where there’s any substance of game planning or roster development , etc. But it’s completely fine to want that. I’m just not sure you’re getting that in any introductory press conference.Thrillkill wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:13 pmProbably would rather heard a hint of the plan going forward but I guess put to sleep the sleeping giant is................................ Wolves par for the course.KevinBaconIsNotMyHero wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:04 pm
I don’t know what some of you honestly expect. He comes down from the rafters like Sting in WCW and scorpion death drops Sid Hartman and holds a baseball bat to Scott Layden? It’s a fucking press conference for an executive for crying out loud.
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I have said this before, Wiggins just needs to shoot better.HeHateMe wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 11:11 am It's all subjective. I think most Timberwolves fans are fine parting with Wiggins if it helps the team in the immediate future while not giving away future assets that could end up being needed. I'm no Wiggins hater so I'm certainly not "trade him for whatever the fuck you can get" just to get him out of here. I am fairly disappointed in his lack desire to be great so I'm at the point where I fully support the organization if they want to move on from him. If he's back, I hope he works hard and shoots three/takes the ball to the hoop while playing good defense.
If he does that, the negativity from our fan base will go way down.
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You must not visit Purple Chat?Moses Scurry wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:28 pmSergeant Rubetube hates everything. Literally, go find one post in any forum where he's like, this guy is awesome!!!!KevinBaconIsNotMyHero wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:04 pmI don’t know what some of you honestly expect. He comes down from the rafters like Sting in WCW and scorpion death drops Sid Hartman and holds a baseball bat to Scott Layden? It’s a fucking press conference for an executive for crying out loud.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:49 pm That lasted all of a minute for me. When I heard Jim Pete say "Bring the Wolves back to relevancy" and then Rosas says "Unwake the sleeping giant" I had enough.
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I think it's more he needs to have a care/motor that makes him do more. He is a MAX player, he can't get away with not giving 100% effort now. We have had how many seasons of his mediocrity? I'd love him to turn it around, don't get me wrong, but from the LARGE sample size, he doesn't seem to want to put in what is required to be that MAX player.witljon wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:06 pmI have said this before, Wiggins just needs to shoot better.HeHateMe wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 11:11 am It's all subjective. I think most Timberwolves fans are fine parting with Wiggins if it helps the team in the immediate future while not giving away future assets that could end up being needed. I'm no Wiggins hater so I'm certainly not "trade him for whatever the fuck you can get" just to get him out of here. I am fairly disappointed in his lack desire to be great so I'm at the point where I fully support the organization if they want to move on from him. If he's back, I hope he works hard and shoots three/takes the ball to the hoop while playing good defense.
If he does that, the negativity from our fan base will go way down.
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Good thing I never posted in the Game of nerds thread. I've kept myself out of there.Moses Scurry wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:28 pmSergeant Rubetube hates everything. Literally, go find one post in any forum where he's like, this guy is awesome!!!!KevinBaconIsNotMyHero wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:04 pmI don’t know what some of you honestly expect. He comes down from the rafters like Sting in WCW and scorpion death drops Sid Hartman and holds a baseball bat to Scott Layden? It’s a fucking press conference for an executive for crying out loud.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:49 pm That lasted all of a minute for me. When I heard Jim Pete say "Bring the Wolves back to relevancy" and then Rosas says "Unwake the sleeping giant" I had enough.
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Well, I just don't think if Wiggins worked harder yet shot the same would satisfy fans as much as if he would just shoot better. I'd be alright with him being a little lazy if he could shoot like a max player.LordNu wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:09 pmI think it's more he needs to have a care/motor that makes him do more. He is a MAX player, he can't get away with not giving 100% effort now. We have had how many seasons of his mediocrity? I'd love him to turn it around, don't get me wrong, but from the LARGE sample size, he doesn't seem to want to put in what is required to be that MAX player.
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Don't they go hand in hand? He settles for poor long range 2pt shots a lot of the time.witljon wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:25 pmWell, I just don't think if Wiggins worked harder yet shot the same would satisfy fans as much as if he would just shoot better. I'd be alright with him being a little lazy if he could shoot like a max player.LordNu wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:09 pmI think it's more he needs to have a care/motor that makes him do more. He is a MAX player, he can't get away with not giving 100% effort now. We have had how many seasons of his mediocrity? I'd love him to turn it around, don't get me wrong, but from the LARGE sample size, he doesn't seem to want to put in what is required to be that MAX player.
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i think Sergeant Rubetube is maybe joe soucheray. the last of the "get the hell off my lawn" angry old duffs vying for Crustiest Fart of the Decade.Moses Scurry wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:28 pmSergeant Rubetube hates everything. Literally, go find one post in any forum where he's like, this guy is awesome!!!!KevinBaconIsNotMyHero wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 6:04 pmI don’t know what some of you honestly expect. He comes down from the rafters like Sting in WCW and scorpion death drops Sid Hartman and holds a baseball bat to Scott Layden? It’s a fucking press conference for an executive for crying out loud.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 5:49 pm That lasted all of a minute for me. When I heard Jim Pete say "Bring the Wolves back to relevancy" and then Rosas says "Unwake the sleeping giant" I had enough.
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Working harder, or caring more goes hand in hand with him shooting better. He might always be a below average perimeter shooter, but he's at his best when he slashes and drives. If he cared more to do that, his shooting percentages would likely go up...he just settles for midrange too much, because its a lazy shot, and he is a lazy player.witljon wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:25 pmWell, I just don't think if Wiggins worked harder yet shot the same would satisfy fans as much as if he would just shoot better. I'd be alright with him being a little lazy if he could shoot like a max player.LordNu wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:09 pmI think it's more he needs to have a care/motor that makes him do more. He is a MAX player, he can't get away with not giving 100% effort now. We have had how many seasons of his mediocrity? I'd love him to turn it around, don't get me wrong, but from the LARGE sample size, he doesn't seem to want to put in what is required to be that MAX player.
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I like from what I saw and heard from Rosas but will wait till he hires coach and Gm.
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Well the coach is most likely going to be Ryan Saunders. And what are the chances that any of us even know the person who he hires as his GM if Layden is let go or reassigned? It's going to probably be an underling from Houston or another organization, not a splashy hire.UnFadeable21 wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 11:12 pm I like from what I saw and heard from Rosas but will wait till he hires coach and Gm.
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Yes, they can go hand in hand, but he wouldn't get as much criticism if he just hit those long range 2s at a better clip.LordNu wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:34 pmDon't they go hand in hand? He settles for poor long range 2pt shots a lot of the time.witljon wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:25 pmWell, I just don't think if Wiggins worked harder yet shot the same would satisfy fans as much as if he would just shoot better. I'd be alright with him being a little lazy if he could shoot like a max player.LordNu wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:09 pm
I think it's more he needs to have a care/motor that makes him do more. He is a MAX player, he can't get away with not giving 100% effort now. We have had how many seasons of his mediocrity? I'd love him to turn it around, don't get me wrong, but from the LARGE sample size, he doesn't seem to want to put in what is required to be that MAX player.
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(I don't expect this to happen but)...LordNu wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:34 pmDon't they go hand in hand? He settles for poor long range 2pt shots a lot of the time.witljon wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 8:25 pmWell, I just don't think if Wiggins worked harder yet shot the same would satisfy fans as much as if he would just shoot better. I'd be alright with him being a little lazy if he could shoot like a max player.LordNu wrote: ↑Mon May 06, 2019 7:09 pm
I think it's more he needs to have a care/motor that makes him do more. He is a MAX player, he can't get away with not giving 100% effort now. We have had how many seasons of his mediocrity? I'd love him to turn it around, don't get me wrong, but from the LARGE sample size, he doesn't seem to want to put in what is required to be that MAX player.
If somehow the guy became a 40% three point shooter and made 3 game, I think his inconsistent effort/low motor issues might quiet a bit.
I was listening to the Dan Patrick show and they were talking about overpaid players. Said guys need to the stats (points+rebounds+assists+blocks+steals) per game match what they make in millions. Interesting way to evaluate max players.