Ideal PG for this roster

[Beef Supreme]

If Tyus can consistently hit the 3 he's fine for this roster. Not ideal, but fine.


But he can't consistently do that.

[Hornets]

If Tyus can consistently hit the 3 he's fine for this roster. Not ideal, but fine.


But he can't consistently do that.

Tyus is NOT an NBA starting point guard....

[Beef Supreme]

If Tyus can consistently hit the 3 he's fine for this roster. Not ideal, but fine.


But he can't consistently do that.

Tyus is NOT an NBA starting point guard....

If he shot 40% from 3, he'd be fine.


So if he did something he doesn't, he'd be something he isn't. Funny how that works, eh?

[RubeTube]

You all know it’s becoming increasing clear......it’s Tyus.

jodadamus strikes again.

Sure, if you want to win 35 games a year.

[Hornets]

OK....some of you just aren't listening....

Wiggy will always be lazy and will NOT develop into a star, and his contract is a killa.

Tyus is a nice little backup PG, but IS NOT and WILL NOT ever turn into a starting PG.

[kilkenny]

OK....some of you just aren't listening....

Wiggy will always be lazy and will NOT develop into a star, and his contract is a killa.

Tyus is a nice little backup PG, but IS NOT and WILL NOT ever turn into a starting PG.

He laid down last night and was fine with it. Passed up an open lane to the basket, anyone else see that? He's a straight out pussy on the court. I wish he had some kick-ass in his head. He doesn't.

[somuchyummy]

i'm not in the "get a guy like john wall" camp. here's my reasons.

for better or worse, we've tied our wagon to KAT and wiggins. KAT has shown enough promise and growth that we shouldn't trade him - wiggins is someone we'd love to get value for in a trade, but no one will touch him with that immense contract. so.... in the meantime, we need to find out how to maximize the strengths of both of them. i don't think a ball dominant/shot dominant PG (like wall) would do that. with wall (or a guy like wall) on our team we'd see the same distribution problems that we see when rose plays with the starters. wall averages more shots per game than both KAT or wiggins - and if he were on the team, wiggins would most likely disappear as would any value we get from him as a scorer.

secondly, wall comes with such a huge pricetag that it would cripple our ability to add any other meaningful role players to the squad. quality depth would take a dive because we simply wouldn't have the cash to spend.

finally, i simply don't buy into the notion that the only way you can win is to have 3 stars (or superstars) on your team. having three stars with bad coaching and bad management isn't going to make a dent against the top teams in the league. i'd much rather be great to solid, positions 1 thru 10 - and playing for a great coach with a great system - than roll the dice on another pricey dude with hopes that three stars will automatically somehow make magic.

i think we should look for a starting PG that has a tyus-like game involving smarts, ball control, game management, distribution, etc - but who shoots better and is better than tyus defensively, athletically and sizewise. a player who would get the most out of his teammates, and not just have great individual stats - and, important to note, won't handcuff us even more financially. add wall, and i could see wiggins absolutely disappear. wiggins needs to score to keep his head in the game. add the kind of PG i'm hoping for, and i think wiggins could be a 20/5/3 guy with consistently acceptable to good D. which is at least getting something for our $140M.

[Moses Scurry]

That is why you roll the dice on a DSJ who can be had for a somewhat reasonable price I'd imagine.

Rather roll with DSJ/Okogie/Covington/Saric/Towns then continue down this "need Wiggins to not suck to be relevant" path we are on right now.

[HeHateMe]

That is why you roll the dice on a DSJ who can be had for a somewhat reasonable price I'd imagine.

Rather roll with DSJ/Okogie/Covington/Saric/Towns then continue down this "need Wiggins to not suck to be relevant" path we are on right now.

Are there any reports about what the Mavericks want? My guess is they want more than what we'd consider reasonable.

[HeHateMe]

[kilkenny]

How about Wiggins and Rose for Barnes and DSJ?

[Moses Scurry]

How about Wiggins and Rose for Barnes and DSJ?

I think mine was Wiggins and Tyus for DSJ and Barnes.

They get a cheap backup PG who can actually play and maybe Carlisle can fix Wiggins.

We get a roll of the dice in DSJ, only 2 years of Barnes massive contract but get rid of 5 years of Wiggins albatross.

Maybe Doncic can help Wiggins not be a POS.

Assume Teague leaves, keep Rose, try and resign Tolli.

DSJ/Rose
Okogie/???
Covington/???/Diop
Saric/Tolliver
Towns/Dieng

[kilkenny]

How about Wiggins and Rose for Barnes and DSJ?

I think mine was Wiggins and Tyus for DSJ and Barnes.

They get a cheap backup PG who can actually play and maybe Carlisle can fix Wiggins.

We get a roll of the dice in DSJ, only 2 years of Barnes massive contract but get rid of 5 years of Wiggins albatross.

Maybe Doncic can help Wiggins not be a POS.

I put Rose in there to add value to the trade. Cheap contract and high impact player. They need something from moving DSJ, Tyus ain't it.

[HeHateMe]

How about Wiggins and Rose for Barnes and DSJ?

I think mine was Wiggins and Tyus for DSJ and Barnes.

They get a cheap backup PG who can actually play and maybe Carlisle can fix Wiggins.

We get a roll of the dice in DSJ, only 2 years of Barnes massive contract but get rid of 5 years of Wiggins albatross.

Maybe Doncic can help Wiggins not be a POS.

Assume Teague leaves, keep Rose, try and resign Tolli.

DSJ/Rose
Okogie/???
Covington/???/Diop
Saric/Tolliver
Towns/Dieng

Who would you rather have right now, straight up, Harrison Barnes or Andrew Wiggins? Now include the contracts, same question.

I don't see Dallas wanting Wiggins. If you want Smith Jr, it will start with Okogie, they might even say they need Saric.

[RubeTube]

How about Wiggins and Rose for Barnes and DSJ?

I think mine was Wiggins and Tyus for DSJ and Barnes.

They get a cheap backup PG who can actually play and maybe Carlisle can fix Wiggins.

We get a roll of the dice in DSJ, only 2 years of Barnes massive contract but get rid of 5 years of Wiggins albatross.

Maybe Doncic can help Wiggins not be a POS.

Assume Teague leaves, keep Rose, try and resign Tolli.

DSJ/Rose
Okogie/???
Covington/???/Diop
Saric/Tolliver
Towns/Dieng

Who would you rather have right now, straight up, Harrison Barnes or Andrew Wiggins? Now include the contracts, same question.

I don't see Dallas wanting Wiggins. If you want Smith Jr, it will start with Okogie, they might even say they need Saric.

The Mavs are not trading Barnes and DSJ for Tyus and Wiggins.

I would rather have Barnes at this point than Wiggins. I would deal Okogie for DSJ.

Saric does nothing for me.


I say Okogie/Wiggins/Saric for Barnes and DSJ. I don't want to trade Okogie but I make that move.

Can someone tell me what DSJs problem is in Dallas though? That may change my mind. If he's disgruntled playing for a good coach and one of the best owners, I can't imagine he would be happy here for long.

[kilkenny]

I'm not including Okogie for DSJ. Rather just look for something else. Okogie has a chance to be really good, can't give up on that.

[irishman89]

Theres not one for sure keeper on this entire roster. Every player is either weak, dumb, old, flawed on one end of the floor, or a combo poo poo platter. The owner is trash. Contraction is the best option.

[RubeTube]

I'm not including Okogie for DSJ. Rather just look for something else. Okogie has a chance to be really good, can't give up on that.

Doesn't DSJ? I haven't seen a whole lot of him. I thought he was a star in the making last year.

[SO_MONEY]

I'm not including Okogie for DSJ. Rather just look for something else. Okogie has a chance to be really good, can't give up on that.

Doesn't DSJ? I haven't seen a whole lot of him. I thought he was a star in the making last year.

Maybe, maybe not, but the thing with Okogie is he is a culture changing player, DSJ is not and that is why you don't swap the two.

[RubeTube]

I'm not including Okogie for DSJ. Rather just look for something else. Okogie has a chance to be really good, can't give up on that.

Doesn't DSJ? I haven't seen a whole lot of him. I thought he was a star in the making last year.

Maybe, maybe not, but the thing with Okogie is he is a culture changing player, DSJ is not and that is why you don't swap the two.

What's DSJ problem in Dallas?

[somuchyummy]

That is why you roll the dice on a DSJ who can be had for a somewhat reasonable price I'd imagine.

Rather roll with DSJ/Okogie/Covington/Saric/Towns then continue down this "need Wiggins to not suck to be relevant" path we are on right now.

but as i said - this is the situation we're in contractwise. wiggins will be on this team for the next few years because his contract is such a stinker. so we have to find a way to maximize his production - because okogie or no okogie, you still don't want a healthy $26M a year player averaging 14 mpg off the bench.

DSJ is a dynamic player. and he's cheap for the meantime. i like what he's done to himself defensively since entering the league. but any PG who is averaging 4.8 apg after two years in the league (at nearly 30 mpg) has a score first mentality, is not a great distributor, and probably is the kind of PG that would continue to pave the path to wiggins' diminishing production.

i'm also leery of a guy who has problems playing next to a really great team first new talent like doncic. seriously? you snag a guy like doncic on your team and no matter what your position is, you should be happy as hell. unless you're more about you than the team. i'm reading stuff into this situation - but i can't figure out how egotistical you've got to be to find problems with sharing a court with a guy like doncic. so yeah - i'm leery about smith jr, especially between the ears. can we focus a bit on getting players whose first love is winning?

[Dubs]

With MEM falling-out of the playoff picture, would they finally consider a tear down, & start over? If so, could you get Conley for expirings - possibly.

MEM - Teague ($19M/player option), Gibson ($14M/expiring), & Bayless ($8.6M/expiring)

MN - Conley ($30.5M/3 years)

[somuchyummy]

With MEM falling-out of the playoff picture, would they finally consider a tear down, & start over? If so, could you get Conley for expirings - possibly.

MEM - Teague ($19M/player option), Gibson ($14M/expiring), & Bayless ($8.6M/expiring)

MN - Conley ($30.5M/3 years)

it works for just teague and taj.

[LordNu]

With MEM falling-out of the playoff picture, would they finally consider a tear down, & start over? If so, could you get Conley for expirings - possibly.

MEM - Teague ($19M/player option), Gibson ($14M/expiring), & Bayless ($8.6M/expiring)

MN - Conley ($30.5M/3 years)

Hmmm. I'm listening.

[RubeTube]

With MEM falling-out of the playoff picture, would they finally consider a tear down, & start over? If so, could you get Conley for expirings - possibly.

MEM - Teague ($19M/player option), Gibson ($14M/expiring), & Bayless ($8.6M/expiring)

MN - Conley ($30.5M/3 years)

Hmmm. I'm listening.

I'm not high on Conley because of his age but I would do that trade all day. I think they can do a lot better than that though.

[somuchyummy]

"they" meaning memphis, right?

[kilkenny]

Memphis will not trade Conley. He goes hand in hand with Gasol. They'd have to be thinking of trading him too.

[Dubs]

With MEM falling-out of the playoff picture, would they finally consider a tear down, & start over? If so, could you get Conley for expirings - possibly.

MEM - Teague ($19M/player option), Gibson ($14M/expiring), & Bayless ($8.6M/expiring)

MN - Conley ($30.5M/3 years)

Hmmm. I'm listening.

I'm not high on Conley because of his age but I would do that trade all day. I think they can do a lot better than that though.

They’d be getting off of 2.5 years & $75M - if they decided to rebuild, this would cause pause.

[Dubs]

Memphis will not trade Conley. He goes hand in hand with Gasol. They'd have to be thinking of trading him too.

Couldn't agree more - but, the premise is, if they’re looking to rebuild, would they consider. With that said, I’d agree that Gasol too would go.

[Dubs]

Marc Gasol and Mike Conley met with Grizzles owner Robert Pera, @ShamsCharania reports.

NBA trade deadline is Feb. 7