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There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
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There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
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Those are the points our team has given up in each game of the season. Our players are not good because they don't play defense.
KAT is a bust for this very reason.
It sucks that KAT is not and never will be a great player because he can't play defense but we will just have to live with that fact of life.
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Those are the points our team has given up in each game of the season. Our players are not good because they don't play defense.
KAT is a bust for this very reason.
It sucks that KAT is not and never will be a great player because he can't play defense but we will just have to live with that fact of life.
It's been 32 years since one of MN's four major sports teams has been to the Championship/Superbowl.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
Didn't get your Spam for breakfast this morning?
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
I'd argue quite a few points. What do you consider great?
James Harden?
James Harden?
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
LeBron.
UnFadeable21 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:55 pm Edwards Negatives:
Low IQ
Low Motor
Bad Shot Selection
Bad defense
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
Towns is a bust? lol
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
salamander post breakdown...
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
And over half of his posts in WC have come in the past few days.
He isn't a fan of this team at all. Just came here to bitch about a product he doesn't even like.
UnFadeable21 wrote: ↑Thu Aug 27, 2020 5:55 pm Edwards Negatives:
Low IQ
Low Motor
Bad Shot Selection
Bad defense
Who does this remind you of?
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
Over half of those wolves chat posts are just from today too.
It's been 32 years since one of MN's four major sports teams has been to the Championship/Superbowl.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
I do cheer for the Wolves (and watch). I'm just sick of this team sucking for so fucking long.flexbuffchest wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:11 pmAnd over half of his posts in WC have come in the past few days.
He isn't a fan of this team at all. Just came here to bitch about a product he doesn't even like.
Now we're putting all our eggs in the KAT basket which means we'll continue to suck for a long time to come.
Trust me, I hope I'm wrong.
It's been 32 years since one of MN's four major sports teams has been to the Championship/Superbowl.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
Where do you want the eggs to go? Whose basket?salamander wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:17 pmI do cheer for the Wolves (and watch). I'm just sick of this team sucking for so fucking long.flexbuffchest wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:11 pmAnd over half of his posts in WC have come in the past few days.
He isn't a fan of this team at all. Just came here to bitch about a product he doesn't even like.
Now we're putting all our eggs in the KAT basket which means we'll continue to suck for a long time to come.
Trust me, I hope I'm wrong.
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
spent 35 seconds over lunch looking at opponent PPG over the past few years
this year and last year OPP: no teams held opponents under 100ppg
2016-17: 2 teams (and Mem at 100)
2015-16: 6 teams
2014-15: 15 teams!
2013-14: 12 teams
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2002-03: 24/29 teams!
wolves suck at defense, but also...nobody can stop anybody.
this year and last year OPP: no teams held opponents under 100ppg
2016-17: 2 teams (and Mem at 100)
2015-16: 6 teams
2014-15: 15 teams!
2013-14: 12 teams
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2002-03: 24/29 teams!
wolves suck at defense, but also...nobody can stop anybody.
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
That's the issue.HeHateMe wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:18 pmWhere do you want the eggs to go? Whose basket?salamander wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:17 pmI do cheer for the Wolves (and watch). I'm just sick of this team sucking for so fucking long.flexbuffchest wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:11 pm
And over half of his posts in WC have come in the past few days.
He isn't a fan of this team at all. Just came here to bitch about a product he doesn't even like.
Now we're putting all our eggs in the KAT basket which means we'll continue to suck for a long time to come.
Trust me, I hope I'm wrong.
It's been 32 years since one of MN's four major sports teams has been to the Championship/Superbowl.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
You've brought up a great point about the fundamental problems with the NBA. I don't want to hammer this issue because it's one of the more irritating issues in all of sports.boxter432 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 1:02 pm spent 35 seconds over lunch looking at opponent PPG over the past few years
this year and last year OPP: no teams held opponents under 100ppg
2016-17: 2 teams (and Mem at 100)
2015-16: 6 teams
2014-15: 15 teams!
2013-14: 12 teams
......
2002-03: 24/29 teams!
wolves suck at defense, but also...nobody can stop anybody.
It's been 32 years since one of MN's four major sports teams has been to the Championship/Superbowl.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
Changes in the rules have also led to scores going through the ceiling.
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
That's not the way this works. This team was 37-22 last year when healthy.salamander wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:03 pmThat's the issue.HeHateMe wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:18 pmWhere do you want the eggs to go? Whose basket?salamander wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 12:17 pm
I do cheer for the Wolves (and watch). I'm just sick of this team sucking for so fucking long.
Now we're putting all our eggs in the KAT basket which means we'll continue to suck for a long time to come.
Trust me, I hope I'm wrong.
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
This!irishman89 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:07 pm Changes in the rules have also led to scores going through the ceiling.
I would agree with OP here but not anymore. Hardly anyone is playing defense in the NBA now. You must not watch anymore (Don't blame you) Those scores are the norm around the league.
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
Salamander finger painting the whole board in poop today.
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
I watch less. I've never been a super fan or anything when it comes to basketball but I pay attention.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:14 pmThis!irishman89 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:07 pm Changes in the rules have also led to scores going through the ceiling.
I would agree with OP here but not anymore. Hardly anyone is playing defense in the NBA now. You must not watch anymore (Don't blame you) Those scores are the norm around the league.
It's been 32 years since one of MN's four major sports teams has been to the Championship/Superbowl.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
OK. Sorry I offended you. I wasn't trying to and it obviously made you a bit emotional.
It's been 32 years since one of MN's four major sports teams has been to the Championship/Superbowl.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
Every single year is failure until we win one. 4 teams, 32 years. That's roughly 128 consecutive failed seasons.
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
Score were outrageous last year. I believe every team but one averaged over a 100 pts a game. I could be wrong but that is terrible basketball. They just made it worse this year.TrueBlue wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:35 pm Guys... there are literally more possessions these days. rebounds reset to 14 instead of 24 second clocks, 8 seconds to get over halfcourt instead of 10 etc.
You can't look at PPG and say noone plays defense. Thats too macro-level and idiotic.
Not to even mention the move from 2s to threes as a focal point of offenses.
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
I was a super fan but I hardly watch anymore if it's not the Wolves.salamander wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:40 pmI watch less. I've never been a super fan or anything when it comes to basketball but I pay attention.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:14 pmThis!irishman89 wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 2:07 pm Changes in the rules have also led to scores going through the ceiling.
I would agree with OP here but not anymore. Hardly anyone is playing defense in the NBA now. You must not watch anymore (Don't blame you) Those scores are the norm around the league.
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
You are correct. I don't like all the 3 point shooting but that cat is out of the bag. I can understand why the game went this way but it's not fun to watch imo.TrueBlue wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:44 pmlook at 3s taken per game per team.Sergeant Rubetube wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:42 pmScore were outrageous last year. I believe every team but one averaged over a 100 pts a game. I could be wrong but that is terrible basketball. They just made it worse this year.Sally wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:35 pm Guys... there are literally more possessions these days. rebounds reset to 14 instead of 24 second clocks, 8 seconds to get over halfcourt instead of 10 etc.
You can't look at PPG and say noone plays defense. Thats too macro-level and idiotic.
Not to even mention the move from 2s to threes as a focal point of offenses.
I bet thats on the rise as well.
Maybe use FG% as your baseline instead of points.
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
salamander wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:41 pmOK. Sorry I offended you. I wasn't trying to and it obviously made you a bit emotional.
Keep trollin’, bro. I love it when people devolve themselves into a bit.
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
I did not know that.TrueBlue wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:35 pm Guys... there are literally more possessions these days. rebounds reset to 14 instead of 24 second clocks, 8 seconds to get over halfcourt instead of 10 etc.
You can't look at PPG and say noone plays defense. Thats too macro-level and idiotic.
Not to even mention the move from 2s to threes as a focal point of offenses.
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
Shh... Don't ruin their ignorant ramblings with facts and logic.TrueBlue wrote: ↑Tue Nov 13, 2018 3:35 pm Guys... there are literally more possessions these days. rebounds reset to 14 instead of 24 second clocks, 8 seconds to get over halfcourt instead of 10 etc.
You can't look at PPG and say noone plays defense. Thats too macro-level and idiotic.
Not to even mention the move from 2s to threes as a focal point of offenses.
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
The trend toward defense is like jumping off a cliff...and its not the players, its the rules...summed up perfectly by Benz and Pete last game where they were complaining about teams not playing defense, then less than a minute later, Brooklyn got called for two consecutive fouls on an inbound pass for impending 'freedom of movement' by simply bodying up some Wolves players. The rules just don't allow good defensive play anymore, and they have already minimized players who do such. You arent ever going to get players like Ben Wallace, Dikembe, Gary Payton, etc...because you just can't play physical anymore. Defense now is a swat at the rim where you can't even touch a guy's body on the way up to block a shot, or playing passing lanes for a steal. Literally, you can't body up a guy, or impend his movement. Defense now is just hustle...chasing a guy down on a fast break, or being long enough to block a shot or play a passing lane with no contact.
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
I mean, defense can be played still but yeah the impending freedom of movement rule change that occurred led to a very significant change in how effective offenses are this season even compared to last season. I definitely think the game needs to be a bit more balanced to allow defense to be more effective.bubu dubu. wrote: ↑Wed Nov 14, 2018 1:53 am The trend toward defense is like jumping off a cliff...and its not the players, its the rules...summed up perfectly by Benz and Pete last game where they were complaining about teams not playing defense, then less than a minute later, Brooklyn got called for two consecutive fouls on an inbound pass for impending 'freedom of movement' by simply bodying up some Wolves players. The rules just don't allow good defensive play anymore, and they have already minimized players who do such. You arent ever going to get players like Ben Wallace, Dikembe, Gary Payton, etc...because you just can't play physical anymore. Defense now is a swat at the rim where you can't even touch a guy's body on the way up to block a shot, or playing passing lanes for a steal. Literally, you can't body up a guy, or impend his movement. Defense now is just hustle...chasing a guy down on a fast break, or being long enough to block a shot or play a passing lane with no contact.
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
That was the first name that popped into my head too. Reggie Miller wasn't that great of a defender if I remember right. Steph Curry is another one.
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Re: There is no such thing as a great player who doesn't play defense.
Kyrie, Jokic, and Harden