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*** Official 2018-19 Draft Thread ***

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Thrillkill wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:05 pm
witljon wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:47 pm
UnFadeable21 wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:39 pm


I’ll post it later once I get back home. Doing some snow removal at my rentals here in the city
I finally got enough snow out of the way to get out, but I live on a gravel road that hasn't been plowed yet.
Ha! I'm in Duluth and we have half an inch.................................of the 12-16 we are gonna get.

FA's don't want to play here? No way! Even with Taylor so willing to overpay and pay Lux? No way!
I know, cap space was suppose to spread the talent around. :(
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UnFadeable21 wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:08 pm
witljon wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:47 pm
UnFadeable21 wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:39 pm


I’ll post it later once I get back home. Doing some snow removal at my rentals here in the city
I finally got enough snow out of the way to get out, but I live on a gravel road that hasn't been plowed yet.
Shit we got around 6-8 here in Saint Paul but I have to do all the sidewalks. My toro snow blower was struggling, heavy wet snow clogging my shoot.
Im east and north of Mankato. I'd say we have 6 to 8 inches also.
Its done snowing for now and the wind is finally letting up a bit.
Just think, the Twins open up a 7 game homestead tomorrow.
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witljon wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:46 pm
UnFadeable21 wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 2:08 pm
witljon wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 12:47 pm

I finally got enough snow out of the way to get out, but I live on a gravel road that hasn't been plowed yet.
Shit we got around 6-8 here in Saint Paul but I have to do all the sidewalks. My toro snow blower was struggling, heavy wet snow clogging my shoot.
Im east and north of Mankato. I'd say we have 6 to 8 inches also.
Its done snowing for now and the wind is finally letting up a bit.
Just think, the Twins open up a 7 game homestead tomorrow.
You mean Saturday.... :thinking:
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The Wolves need to take the best available player in the 1st round.
But we suck at 3 point shooting. We probably should draft a long distant shooter in the second round.

Who are the best 3 point shooters in this draft?
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i think we should just go BPA. unless of course one of my faves is hanging there. but this need for a 3 pt specialist is somewhat kneejerk (no offense). EVERYONE has to shoot better. we're not going to draft some kid in the second round and suddenly make him a big part of our offense. as it is, we signed a nice little player in cam reynolds this year. 19 games so far - he's been 21 of 51 from 3 (41.2%). he shows confidence in his shot. plus he's got great wing size and has shows promise defensively. is drafting dylan windler or cam johnson going to be such an uptick from that? or should we just look at cam reynolds as a nice "2nd round" pickup that we already snagged?
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somuchyummy wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:18 pm i think we should just go BPA. unless of course one of my faves is hanging there. but this need for a 3 pt specialist is somewhat kneejerk (no offense). EVERYONE has to shoot better. we're not going to draft some kid in the second round and suddenly make him a big part of our offense. as it is, we signed a nice little player in cam reynolds this year. 19 games so far - he's been 21 of 51 from 3 (41.2%). he shows confidence in his shot. plus he's got great wing size and has shows promise defensively. is drafting dylan windler or cam johnson going to be such an uptick from that? or should we just look at cam reynolds as a nice "2nd round" pickup that we already snagged?
Every year we're near the bottom for 3 point shooting and defending the 3 pointer.
If we want to be a playoff team we need to fix our weaknesses.
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well let's work on our D. number one priority. cam hit 5 threes last night in a game against the starting five of the number two seed in the west. he can play some.
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witljon wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:55 pm The Wolves need to take the best available player in the 1st round.
But we suck at 3 point shooting. We probably should draft a long distant shooter in the second round.

Who are the best 3 point shooters in this draft?
No they do not. Unless they pick #1 and take Zion they have to take the BPA that fits their roster and style of play. Don't know why I always have to say this. How is the BPA in a vacuum still the BPA if he can't get minutes? If our style doesn't fit his game?
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witljon wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:29 pm
somuchyummy wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:18 pm i think we should just go BPA. unless of course one of my faves is hanging there. but this need for a 3 pt specialist is somewhat kneejerk (no offense). EVERYONE has to shoot better. we're not going to draft some kid in the second round and suddenly make him a big part of our offense. as it is, we signed a nice little player in cam reynolds this year. 19 games so far - he's been 21 of 51 from 3 (41.2%). he shows confidence in his shot. plus he's got great wing size and has shows promise defensively. is drafting dylan windler or cam johnson going to be such an uptick from that? or should we just look at cam reynolds as a nice "2nd round" pickup that we already snagged?
Every year we're near the bottom for 3 point shooting and defending the 3 pointer.
If we want to be a playoff team we need to fix our weaknesses.
Our D is so obviously our biggest weakness and defensive rebounding is so obviously 2nd. We are one of the top scoring offenses so how is 3 shooting such a problem?
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my "take the BPA" comment was in response to wiltjon's comment that we should go for best shooter we can find in the second round. however, i'm not sure how a shooter we find in the second is going to move that needle any more than cam reynolds does. it'll still be a player with limited minutes. i got more on this later.
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somuchyummy wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:08 pm my "take the BPA" comment was in response to wiltjon's comment that we should go for best shooter we can find in the second round. however, i'm not sure how a shooter we find in the second is going to move that needle any more than cam reynolds does. it'll still be a player with limited minutes. i got more on this later.
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believe me. nothing earth shattering. just more spaghetti thrown onto the wall.
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Thrillkill wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:06 pm
witljon wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:29 pm
somuchyummy wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:18 pm i think we should just go BPA. unless of course one of my faves is hanging there. but this need for a 3 pt specialist is somewhat kneejerk (no offense). EVERYONE has to shoot better. we're not going to draft some kid in the second round and suddenly make him a big part of our offense. as it is, we signed a nice little player in cam reynolds this year. 19 games so far - he's been 21 of 51 from 3 (41.2%). he shows confidence in his shot. plus he's got great wing size and has shows promise defensively. is drafting dylan windler or cam johnson going to be such an uptick from that? or should we just look at cam reynolds as a nice "2nd round" pickup that we already snagged?
Every year we're near the bottom for 3 point shooting and defending the 3 pointer.
If we want to be a playoff team we need to fix our weaknesses.
Our D is so obviously our biggest weakness and defensive rebounding is so obviously 2nd. We are one of the top scoring offenses so how is 3 shooting such a problem?
It can be when we are behind late in the game, which seems to happen often.

And I seem to remember some fans here thought Ricky Rubio was a problem when we had one of the top scoring offenses. Just saying .....
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Thrillkill wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 6:05 pm
witljon wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 3:55 pm The Wolves need to take the best available player in the 1st round.
But we suck at 3 point shooting. We probably should draft a long distant shooter in the second round.

Who are the best 3 point shooters in this draft?
No they do not. Unless they pick #1 and take Zion they have to take the BPA that fits their roster and style of play. Don't know why I always have to say this. How is the BPA in a vacuum still the BPA if he can't get minutes? If our style doesn't fit his game?
So, whats our style?
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somuchyummy wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:08 pm my "take the BPA" comment was in response to wiltjon's comment that we should go for best shooter we can find in the second round. however, i'm not sure how a shooter we find in the second is going to move that needle any more than cam reynolds does. it'll still be a player with limited minutes. i got more on this later.
Say it every year. 1st round it's best player that fits your team (plan). Better you are, closer to being good the more important fit is. We are not a rebuild, collect assets team. We have very specific needs and a very specific owner. CHEAPSKATE! So we can not afford to take BPA in a vacuum because we aren't going to address all of our needs in FA. Everyone who doesn't know that.................welcome to being a Wolves fan. You will not enjoy.

2nd round is different. I still want players that fit but sometimes like last year there is a guy who drops who you just can't pass. This could be a year like that unless a bunch of guys drop out. There are probably 12 guys in our 2nd round range that would have me doing backflips. But there is also the PG need. That will be a big debate.
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HeHateMe wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:28 am
thinktank wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:16 am
HeHateMe wrote: Tue Apr 09, 2019 9:22 am Thoughts on this mock? I follow Wasserman on twitter per doogie's recommendation.

All three pgs gone by pick 10. Interesting to see Garland's stock way up.

PJ Washington or Bol Bol would be interesting at 10, for me at least.

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/282 ... tournament
Bol Bol at 10 interesting?

:lol:
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Bol Bol at 10 would be a ridiculous reach. It won’t happen. PST-worthy statement on your part.
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thinktank wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:59 pm
HeHateMe wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:28 am
thinktank wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:16 am

Bol Bol at 10 interesting?

:lol:
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Bol Bol at 10 would be a ridiculous reach. It won’t happen. PST-worthy statement on your part.
A 7'2" guy with a 7'8" reach who can handle, shoot 3's, pass and block a ton of shots is a ridiculous reach? We won't take him because of our history with stress fractures. If he's healthy he will be gone before we pick. Where are you getting ridiculous reach from?
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We’ll see!

Stress fracture is not a good sign.

It’s interesting you say we’ll avoid him due to that.

Other teams won’t tho?
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atlanta has like 5 picks. 2 in the top 10. i can see them taking him for the upside chance.
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thinktank wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:41 pm We’ll see!

Stress fracture is not a good sign.

It’s interesting you say we’ll avoid him due to that.

Other teams won’t tho?
Pek, Patton, and no way we triple down. Other teams don't have that history.
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somuchyummy wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:25 pm atlanta has like 5 picks. 2 in the top 10. i can see them taking him for the upside chance.
I think they are next to a lock to take him. Perfect compliment to Collins.
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Thrillkill wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:45 pm
somuchyummy wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:25 pm atlanta has like 5 picks. 2 in the top 10. i can see them taking him for the upside chance.
I think they are next to a lock to take him. Perfect compliment to Collins.
That would be karma for us taking Patton and them getting Collins.
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Thrillkill wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:43 pm
thinktank wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:41 pm We’ll see!

Stress fracture is not a good sign.

It’s interesting you say we’ll avoid him due to that.

Other teams won’t tho?
Pek, Patton, and no way we triple down. Other teams don't have that history.
But they can learn from it just the same.
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thinktank wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:51 pm
Thrillkill wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:43 pm
thinktank wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 8:41 pm We’ll see!

Stress fracture is not a good sign.

It’s interesting you say we’ll avoid him due to that.

Other teams won’t tho?
Pek, Patton, and no way we triple down. Other teams don't have that history.
But they can learn from it just the same.
They don't stand the same chance of losing their job over it like someone here might.
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Thrillkill wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:55 pm
thinktank wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:51 pm
Thrillkill wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:43 pm
Pek, Patton, and no way we triple down. Other teams don't have that history.
But they can learn from it just the same.
They don't stand the same chance of losing their job over it like someone here might.
Sure they do.
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thinktank wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:03 pm
Thrillkill wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:55 pm
thinktank wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 9:51 pm

But they can learn from it just the same.
They don't stand the same chance of losing their job over it like someone here might.
Sure they do.
Jesus you can be fucking insufferable. Go list all the guys who had a good C who they had to pay to retire and then drafted one who never played for that same reason and then don't get back to me.
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thinktank wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:59 pm
HeHateMe wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:28 am
thinktank wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 4:16 am

Bol Bol at 10 interesting?

:lol:
Do you have a Bol Bol breakdown for us to disagree?
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Bol Bol at 10 would be a ridiculous reach. It won’t happen. PST-worthy statement on your part.
You don't watch college basketball or pay any attention to nationally rated high school hoops, do you?
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HeHateMe wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 11:41 pm
thinktank wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 7:59 pm
HeHateMe wrote: Thu Apr 11, 2019 10:28 am

Do you have a Bol Bol breakdown for us to disagree?
Yes!:

Bol Bol at 10 would be a ridiculous reach. It won’t happen. PST-worthy statement on your part.
You don't watch college basketball or pay any attention to nationally rated high school hoops, do you?
Sure do.
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So I know it's a foregone conclusion Zion will go pro, but as of right now he still hasn't declared and he's the last big name Duke player left to decide. Does he shock the world and come back for his sophomore season? Can you imagine the wrench that throws in the draft?
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well, i've said it before - but if we need to add another big man to develop, and one option means picking a guy who you'd have to use a lottery pick on (bol), and that player is rehabbing a foot fracture - and the other option means simply resigning a FA you drafted in the first round two years ago (patton), who has also been rehabbing a foot fracture - i'd choose column B.

unless mgmt knows that patton's feet are complete toast - or that he's a blithering idiot asshole with a pisspoor work ethic - calling patton to see if he's interested in coming back is IMO such an easier low impact risk. you're not possibly throwing away a lottery pick. and yes, i know that they are two completely different players with different strengths and weaknesses - but bol certainly isn't a complete player or a sure thing, and patton isn't just a big stiff - he's a skilled player as well.
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