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*** Official 2018-19 Draft Thread ***

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somuchyummy wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 10:33 pm
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How do you figure? You plan on playing 4 wings at a time?
Meh. I could say the same to you about bigs. Towns, Saric, Gourgi, KBD vs. Wiggins, Covington, Okogie, Reynolds.

Each will likely get FA. We are sitting about the same with bigs and wings.
i beg to differ with your assessment. KBD - until he buffs up his noodley arms, legs, shoulders and chest - is a 3. so, in light of that, it's KAT, dieng and saric vs. wiggins, cov, okogie, KBD and reynolds. we do need more bigs than wings.

and here's the other thing about it. cov, okogie, KBD and reynolds are all playing about where we'd hope they'd be. we really shouldn't be chucking any of those guys to the curb. it's wiggins who is underperforming. the number ONE wing we have. and we're not getting rid of him. all FIVE of them are under contract. cutting bait on the lessers of the bunch doesn't make sense because they're kind of okay. long story short - we have enough wings. the only way we'd need to add is if, for some reason, we found a trade partner for wigs that didn't bring back another wing.
But look at the wing ballhandling, shot creation, and shooting.

Ouch!

This team is the WORST three point shooting team in the league and we need better shooting wings to counteract that.

Brandon Clarke is a fantastic defensive player but he does nothing to improve our dreadful shooting, which is our BIGGEST WEAKNESS.
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and again. the biggest ouch in that is the guy who plays the most minutes - andrew wiggins.

as for the worst three point shooting team in the league line, i just posted something in another thread. it's not that we don't have shooters - last year we had five players between 38 and 41% from three. it's that they aren't used, while we watch andrew chuck one long two after another. if we just incorporated what we already have more often into our offense - and somehow limited the wiggins long 2 chuck factor - we wouldn't be the worst 3 balling team in the league. adding another shooter who won't be used does nothing for us. what we don't have enough of is good defenders. that should be our priority.
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Apparently the wolves are very high on Rui Hachimura
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somuchyummy wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 10:59 pm and again. the biggest ouch in that is the guy who plays the most minutes - andrew wiggins.
Reynolds = 41% from deep
Covington = 37%
Wiggins = 34%
Okogie = 28%
KBD = 25%

That's just not good enough shooting from deep as a group.

And the ballhandling and shot creation is even worse.
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UnFadeable21 wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 11:03 pm

Apparently the wolves are very high on Rui Hachimura
He could be BPA and best fit.

Could be.

So could Sekou.

I'm not sure any other players could be.
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Rui is intriguing
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thinktank wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 11:04 pm
somuchyummy wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 10:59 pm and again. the biggest ouch in that is the guy who plays the most minutes - andrew wiggins.
Reynolds = 41% from deep
Covington = 37%
Wiggins = 34%
Okogie = 28%
KBD = 25%

That's just not good enough shooting from deep as a group.

And the ballhandling and shot creation is even worse.
just don't agree. KAT came in at 40% and reynolds at 41%. OH BUT WE CAN"T USE REYNOLDS!! why not? he's a player on our team. other teams use specialists all the time. christ, look at ryan anderson's career. and reynolds is actually an okay defender, not nearly the crapfest that ryan was. as for KAT, he attempted and made more three pointers than anyone else on our team. you can't conveniently leave him out of the argument. he's a huge part of our offense in terms of three pointers.

i'm not expecting okogie to ever become a big three point threat. maybe it will happen - i'm not counting on it. it doesn't negate his value to the team in my eyes. let somebody else shoot them. as for KBD, i think he'll get better. his minutes were so zilch early in the year - we only saw him actually play any extended minutes till the season was nearly over. give him a summer and some more regular PT next year and then let's revisit that number.

as for vets, we got 37% out of rose this year and 38% out of tolly. that's bad? they will probably leave this coming season - but that doesn't mean we won't sign another vet (or two) with similar 3ball stats.

end story - i think we have the parts. they just have to be used better. if we draft a guy who brings a nice three pointer with him, cool. but the biggest part of the equation is getting wiggins to stop hammering up long twos - in favor of spreading the load around more to players who can capitalize from three. we already have a bunch of those guys. but on the D end of the court - besides cov and okogie, we really don't have any other excellent defenders. that's what we should be looking to shore up.
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Clarke’s game tape matches his athletic testing at the combine

Clarke finished ncaa with the best inside scoring percentage better than Zion and top 3 shot blocker in college even with the short arms
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that's because he's got this great combo of bbiq, instincts, quickness and hops. he doesn't rely on inspector gadget arms for his blocks. the guy with the inspector gadget arms needs that length because he's always two steps behind where clarke already would be.
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So when does Clarke get minutes?
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SO_MONEY wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 9:12 pm
witljon wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 9:02 pm
SO_MONEY wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 6:48 pm



The thing is he doesn't have a nice shooting stroke and the fact he can't hit FTs pretty much says you can discount the 41% as fluke, if history matters.
Well, Ricky Rubio has a nice free throw stroke, but struggles shooting 3s.
Rubio never really struggled shooting 3s. He was on the low side of average, but he was not bad.
31.5% is bad. That's what he averaged here in Minny. That would rank as 4th worst for those who qualify for the 3P% leaderboard.

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j2j wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 11:41 pm So when does Clarke get minutes?
He could start over Dario when Dario is sad and lacks confidence.

He’s a plug and play who embraces his role. His ceiling isn’t super high but I don’t think we need that. We have a top 10 offensive team, we need defense. We are bottom 5.
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mglviks wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 10:57 pm Whos setting up the froob mock draft? Bout time for that to start.
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SO_MONEY wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 9:12 pm
witljon wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 9:02 pm
SO_MONEY wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 6:48 pm



The thing is he doesn't have a nice shooting stroke and the fact he can't hit FTs pretty much says you can discount the 41% as fluke, if history matters.
Well, Ricky Rubio has a nice free throw stroke, but struggles shooting 3s.
Rubio never really struggled shooting 3s. He was on the low side of average, but he was not bad.
When defenses backed away and gave Rubio the open three, they just musta been tired then. :thinking:
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witljon wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 6:17 am
SO_MONEY wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 9:12 pm
witljon wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 9:02 pm

Well, Ricky Rubio has a nice free throw stroke, but struggles shooting 3s.
Rubio never really struggled shooting 3s. He was on the low side of average, but he was not bad.
When defenses backed away and gave Rubio the open three, they just musta been tired then. :thinking:
What's worse is he wouldn't shoot the open shots. Passing up layups was when it got really bad.
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Looks a lot like Siakam.

I’ve really come around.
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j2j wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 11:41 pm So when does Clarke get minutes?
End of every game when they P@R Towns to death? He puts an end to that strategy that just kills us.
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UnFadeable21 wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 11:56 pm
j2j wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 11:41 pm So when does Clarke get minutes?
He could start over Dario when Dario is sad and lacks confidence.

He’s a plug and play who embraces his role. His ceiling isn’t super high but I don’t think we need that. We have a top 10 offensive team, we need defense. We are bottom 5.
His ceiling is plenty high. Almost "high ceiling" guys in the draft are the freak athletes that just need to add to their game. He's a reliable face up elbow jumper away from being great. Got that super quick spin move off it. He's gonna score just off running the floor and getting lobs and FT's. One litte improvement in the half court and you have one of the best defenders who can score. That's a star level impact.
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Explore moving back for value? Have a 2nd rounder and those are good value picks? Does he know who hired him?
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thinktank wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 9:02 am

Looks a lot like Siakam.

I’ve really come around.
Looks good.
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Thrillkill wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 9:09 am
UnFadeable21 wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 11:56 pm
j2j wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 11:41 pm So when does Clarke get minutes?
He could start over Dario when Dario is sad and lacks confidence.

He’s a plug and play who embraces his role. His ceiling isn’t super high but I don’t think we need that. We have a top 10 offensive team, we need defense. We are bottom 5.
His ceiling is plenty high. Almost "high ceiling" guys in the draft are the freak athletes that just need to add to their game. He's a reliable face up elbow jumper away from being great. Got that super quick spin move off it. He's gonna score just off running the floor and getting lobs and FT's. One litte improvement in the half court and you have one of the best defenders who can score. That's a star level impact.
Bingo.
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thinktank wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 9:02 am

Looks a lot like Siakam.

I’ve really come around.
You came around a month after he's out of our reach.
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Thrillkill wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 9:04 am
j2j wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 11:41 pm So when does Clarke get minutes?
End of every game when they P@R Towns to death? He puts an end to that strategy that just kills us.
So you think they'll bench KAT for Clarke?
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j2j wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 9:16 am
Thrillkill wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 9:04 am
j2j wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 11:41 pm So when does Clarke get minutes?
End of every game when they P@R Towns to death? He puts an end to that strategy that just kills us.
So you think they'll bench KAT for Clarke?
?

Dude, what part of Clarke being able to block a shot when Towns gets used in P@R is getting past you?
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somuchyummy wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 10:33 pm
SO_MONEY wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 6:44 pm
Thrillkill wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 5:19 pm
How do you figure? You plan on playing 4 wings at a time?
Meh. I could say the same to you about bigs. Towns, Saric, Gourgi, KBD vs. Wiggins, Covington, Okogie, Reynolds.

Each will likely get FA. We are sitting about the same with bigs and wings.
i beg to differ with your assessment. KBD - until he buffs up his noodley arms, legs, shoulders and chest - is a 3. so, in light of that, it's KAT, dieng and saric vs. wiggins, cov, okogie, KBD and reynolds. we do need more bigs than wings.

and here's the other thing about it. cov, okogie, KBD and reynolds are all playing about where we'd hope they'd be. we really shouldn't be chucking any of those guys to the curb. it's wiggins who is underperforming. the number ONE wing we have. and we're not getting rid of him. all FIVE of them are under contract. cutting bait on the lessers of the bunch doesn't make sense because they're kind of okay. long story short - we have enough wings. the only way we'd need to add is if, for some reason, we found a trade partner for wigs that didn't bring back another wing.
LOL. You question KBD as a big, which he is. He is not and never will be a SF. And if it is Wiggins who is underperforming, then all the more reason for a wing as a need.
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Thrillkill wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 9:26 am
j2j wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 9:16 am
Thrillkill wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 9:04 am
End of every game when they P@R Towns to death? He puts an end to that strategy that just kills us.
So you think they'll bench KAT for Clarke?
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Dude, what part of Clarke being able to block a shot when Towns gets used in P@R is getting past you?
When did you say that?
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SO_MONEY wrote: Sun May 19, 2019 9:33 am
somuchyummy wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 10:33 pm
SO_MONEY wrote: Sat May 18, 2019 6:44 pm

Meh. I could say the same to you about bigs. Towns, Saric, Gourgi, KBD vs. Wiggins, Covington, Okogie, Reynolds.

Each will likely get FA. We are sitting about the same with bigs and wings.
i beg to differ with your assessment. KBD - until he buffs up his noodley arms, legs, shoulders and chest - is a 3. so, in light of that, it's KAT, dieng and saric vs. wiggins, cov, okogie, KBD and reynolds. we do need more bigs than wings.

and here's the other thing about it. cov, okogie, KBD and reynolds are all playing about where we'd hope they'd be. we really shouldn't be chucking any of those guys to the curb. it's wiggins who is underperforming. the number ONE wing we have. and we're not getting rid of him. all FIVE of them are under contract. cutting bait on the lessers of the bunch doesn't make sense because they're kind of okay. long story short - we have enough wings. the only way we'd need to add is if, for some reason, we found a trade partner for wigs that didn't bring back another wing.
LOL. You question KBD as a big, which he is. He is not and never will be a SF.
So just all of last year and all of his time in college but..................never.

He is a 3 that can play some 4 not the other way around.
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Yall obsess about position labels in a weird way.
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