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Post by somuchyummy » Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:06 pm

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If you're at all knowledgeable about basketball you watch him play and what he does on the court now vs. The loafing that used to be passed off as Wiggins' play. It is drastically different. For the benefit of the team. A lot of the 2nd tier players after Karl and Andrew have taken a step back or are not performing to their capabilities.

That has hurt the most. Covington comes to mind.
i think joda has a point about cov being misused and checking out. still, it only helps his career if he plays well and hurts it when he sucks. i'm seeing more warts on josh this year too - maybe because i expected nothing out of him last season and he was a pleasant surprise.
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Post by YBBR » Sun Dec 22, 2019 9:10 pm

somuchyummy wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 8:06 pm
YBBR wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 7:13 pm
If you're at all knowledgeable about basketball you watch him play and what he does on the court now vs. The loafing that used to be passed off as Wiggins' play. It is drastically different. For the benefit of the team. A lot of the 2nd tier players after Karl and Andrew have taken a step back or are not performing to their capabilities.

That has hurt the most. Covington comes to mind.
i think joda has a point about cov being misused and checking out. still, it only helps his career if he plays well and hurts it when he sucks. i'm seeing more warts on josh this year too - maybe because i expected nothing out of him last season and he was a pleasant surprise.
His offense is not where it needs to be. His shot as come around some at times. Just hitting the open 3. He's forcing a lot of things on that end. Not necessarily in a volume sense just reading situations. His defense is still really solid. Okogie that is.

Cov's shot selection has just been not my favorite. He should be hit more in transition for his 3's. He also needs to be hit in cutting situations in the half court. He doesnt feel comfortable handling and trying to create as much as he does playing off others. He looks really good when he plays with Karl, because KAT always has eyes on him and usually rewards his cutting with some easy buckets.

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Post by SHAFA » Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:48 pm

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i'm seeing more warts on josh this year too - maybe because i expected nothing out of him last season and he was a pleasant surprise.
I love Okogie, but my expectations for him have always been Corey Brewer-ish. He's a ball of kinetic energy; a goddamn pest with a nose for the ball and a reckless streak that I don't expect to be reigned in. He can easily be a solid contributor off the bench but, like Cov, he's not being utilized correctly.

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Post by UnFadeable21 » Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:16 am

I think Roco is taking bad shots because he’s trying to generate offense for himself and that’s never been his strong suit.

He’s good at picking and pop, motion running to the corner for a 3. Right now he’s trying to dribble and shoot and that’s something he’s never been good at.
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Post by morneaumvp » Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:27 am

10 for 27 shooting tonight and -20 +/- by far the worst on the team, against a shitty Warriors squad. :lol:

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morneaumvp wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:27 am
10 for 27 shooting tonight and -20 +/- by far the worst on the team, against a shitty Warriors squad. :lol:
He had a good month and it's back to shit.

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Post by Moses Scurry » Tue Dec 24, 2019 8:31 am

Sergeant Rubetube wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:55 am
morneaumvp wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:27 am
10 for 27 shooting tonight and -20 +/- by far the worst on the team, against a shitty Warriors squad. :lol:
He had a good month and it's back to shit.

This team has no one on roster with any heart.
Wait, I thought brutha Wiggins turned it around? :lol:

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Post by somuchyummy » Tue Dec 24, 2019 8:47 am

wiggins numbers the last 10 games have still been good. it's not like he's fallen off a cliff.

24.7/5.0/2.9 with .8 steals and 1.2 blocks.

but he's not a game changer - he's a second or third guy who completely depends on others to lead the charge or to set the tone of a game. much of his damage in the past ten games has come when the game's already been decided. he's definitely not a heart and soul guy who rallies his troops to win.
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Post by thinktank » Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:51 pm

somuchyummy wrote:
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wiggins numbers the last 10 games have still been good. it's not like he's fallen off a cliff.

24.7/5.0/2.9 with .8 steals and 1.2 blocks.

but he's not a game changer - he's a second or third guy who completely depends on others to lead the charge or to set the tone of a game. much of his damage in the past ten games has come when the game's already been decided. he's definitely not a heart and soul guy who rallies his troops to win.
His percentages haven’t been good over that stretch.
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Post by somuchyummy » Tue Dec 24, 2019 3:35 pm

thinktank wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:51 pm
somuchyummy wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2019 8:47 am
wiggins numbers the last 10 games have still been good. it's not like he's fallen off a cliff.

24.7/5.0/2.9 with .8 steals and 1.2 blocks.

but he's not a game changer - he's a second or third guy who completely depends on others to lead the charge or to set the tone of a game. much of his damage in the past ten games has come when the game's already been decided. he's definitely not a heart and soul guy who rallies his troops to win.
His percentages haven’t been good over that stretch.
44% from the field - 91 of 209. i think he's been heading south 3wise though. just checked - 33% from three - 22 of 66. so he's just down one percentage point overall from his season mark - and actually up 2/10s of a percent from three. regardless - it's pretty much in line with what he's been doing all year.
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Re: Post Your Andrew Wiggins Apologies Here

Post by thinktank » Tue Dec 24, 2019 6:56 pm

somuchyummy wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2019 3:35 pm
thinktank wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2019 1:51 pm
somuchyummy wrote:
Tue Dec 24, 2019 8:47 am
wiggins numbers the last 10 games have still been good. it's not like he's fallen off a cliff.

24.7/5.0/2.9 with .8 steals and 1.2 blocks.

but he's not a game changer - he's a second or third guy who completely depends on others to lead the charge or to set the tone of a game. much of his damage in the past ten games has come when the game's already been decided. he's definitely not a heart and soul guy who rallies his troops to win.
His percentages haven’t been good over that stretch.
44% from the field - 91 of 209. i think he's been heading south 3wise though. just checked - 33% from three - 22 of 66. so he's just down one percentage point overall from his season mark - and actually up 2/10s of a percent from three. regardless - it's pretty much in line with what he's been doing all year.
Here’s a flaw with your logic here.

You’re saying he’s down just so and so from his season average but the season average includes this recent poor stretch.
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Post by somuchyummy » Tue Dec 24, 2019 9:23 pm

true dat. and i'll leave it to you to parse thru his stats to find out what he was doing prior to the 10 game stretch.
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Post by bubu dubu. » Wed Dec 25, 2019 12:16 am

SHAFA wrote:
Sun Dec 22, 2019 11:48 pm
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i'm seeing more warts on josh this year too - maybe because i expected nothing out of him last season and he was a pleasant surprise.
I love Okogie, but my expectations for him have always been Corey Brewer-ish. He's a ball of kinetic energy; a goddamn pest with a nose for the ball and a reckless streak that I don't expect to be reigned in. He can easily be a solid contributor off the bench but, like Cov, he's not being utilized correctly.
He's so frustrating...where is the nose to the grindstone guy? The guy who said he wants to be the best two way player in the league?

He's best when he's creating offense by getting steals or blocks, and assigned defensively to the opponents best perimeter player...instead, he is spotting up in the corner for a three, and often looks lost on defense.

He should either be guarding the opposing ball carrier up the court every time, or shadowing the best perimeter opponent. He shouldn't touch the ball on offense unless he's cutting to the basket, or rushing up the court in transition...sure, occasionally, let the wide open 3 flow, but this season, he's been spotting up from the corner. If he wants to succeed in this league, his roll is a pest...both offensively and defensively. The scheme is letting him down as much as himself.

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Post by UnFadeable21 » Fri Dec 27, 2019 1:40 pm

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Post by flexbuffchest » Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:58 pm

Good thing the staff has Wiggins driving to the hoop so much more this year.

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Good thing the staff has Wiggins driving to the hoop so much more this year.

wasn't russell floated around here as a trade target?
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Post by flexbuffchest » Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:12 pm

somuchyummy wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 6:02 pm
flexbuffchest wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:58 pm
Good thing the staff has Wiggins driving to the hoop so much more this year.

wasn't russell floated around here as a trade target?
On this forum? By some.

Nothing legitimate though.
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Post by somuchyummy » Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:24 pm

yeah, i meant by some here as a "target" - nothing legit in terms of rumors around the league.

i just wanted to point out the effective field goal thing for him - paired with wigs. and why are big men jokic and AD so high on this list? too many threes perhaps?
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Post by SHAFA » Sun Jan 05, 2020 7:51 pm

somuchyummy wrote:
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and why are big men jokic and AD so high on this list? too many threes perhaps?
At least for Davis, he’s a bricklayer beyond 15 feet. We’re talking sub-33% bad on 220+ attempts.

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flexbuffchest wrote:
Sun Jan 05, 2020 1:58 pm
Good thing the staff has Wiggins driving to the hoop so much more this year.

His percentages are still shit from mid range which is why him shooting significantly less of these shots is much better. This isn't efg%. Jump shooting efg% probably doesnt include shots within 6 feet or so.

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Post by Moses Scurry » Tue Jan 14, 2020 7:47 am

Good to see Andrew in mid-season form again, 4-12, 10 points, -22.

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Post by Mplsfonz » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:09 am

What's wrong with Dude?
Does he have ADD? He looked as if he wishes he was golfing/fishing. I can't understand why he still gets PT when his tude sucks like this. Ryan is failing him as a coach, because they are friends. Any other coach would be yelling at him, or sitting him down. We can't trade him for anything, so we are stuck hoping he gets it together.

I was with him until the end of last year, then admitted he was a bust. First 25 or so games gave me life again that he figured it out and was on his way. Then the old Drew showed up the last several games, and I am pretty sure he's a bust. Not a BUM, but for a #1 overall, he's just above A Bennett.

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Post by Moses Scurry » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:16 am

What was the early season quote on Saunders by someone I can't recall? His job might rely on unlocking Wiggins.

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Post by jffl_commish » Tue Jan 14, 2020 8:52 am

2020 stats (5 games)

16.0 PPG, 38.9% FG's, 25% 3pt FG's, 3.6 rebounds, 3.6 assists 2 blocks and 3 steals total, 2.2 turnovers. Yeah, that's not good. Those are just the basic stats. I bet the advanced make it even worse.
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Post by somuchyummy » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:03 am

kuzma gets a lot of crap here as he's been mulled over as a possible trade target. but at least the kid has guts and heart. andrew's been awful in KAT's absence. instead of taking charge, he's backed away. kuzma, on the other hand, has stepped up. the thunder win when both bron and AD were out - he scored 36. the last three games where AD has been out, he's averaging 24.3 - or roughly 11 points more than his season average. he doesn't back away from moments when he's needed.
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Post by Style » Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:26 am

But I thought Saunders' gentle approach was going to suddenly unleash the beast within Wiggins? NOW WHAT?!

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Post by kilkenny » Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:01 am

We need to sell on him now while he has some sort of value.
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kilkenny wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 11:01 am
We need to sell on him now while he has some sort of value.
The only value he has to the Wolves, and the rest of the league, is negative.

Expecting to get any positive return for Wiggins is setting yourself up for failure, IMO.

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Style wrote:
Tue Jan 14, 2020 9:26 am
But I thought Saunders' gentle approach was going to suddenly unleash the beast within Wiggins? NOW WHAT?!
the beast was unleashed, and then he ran away. and now wiggins can't find him anymore.
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