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He can recruit, really well.

He's the next Brewster.. both 7-6 in year two... now Fleck will go 6-7 next year, right!?
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HeHateMe wrote: Fri Dec 28, 2018 2:28 pm He can recruit, really well.

He's the next Brewster.. both 7-6 in year two... now Fleck will go 6-7 next year, right!?
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Can you talk about Nebraska, Marlyland and Illinois a little?
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JPM wrote: Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:56 pm Can you talk about Nebraska, Marlyland and Illinois a little?
Look how much they improved after those games.
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I need to see a lot more and I most certainly could do with a lot less of the moronic crap such as "we ended the season as champions". I get some or most of it is contrived do to the nature of dumbass kids now and recruiting but he still is just so sickening with some of that drivel.

Firing Smith was huge - doesn't absolve him of a horrible hire tho. The team improving definitely is something to hang out hats on. What we may have OL wise MASSIVELY exciting.

I'm not sold yet but I'm optimistic and hopeful.
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Until Fleck finds a quarterback, they will never be better than an average big ten team.
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It looks like they only lose 4 starters next year, unless Tyler Johnson declares.
The QB's should be better next year now that each have 1/2 season of starting under their belts. Neither are great athlete's however. That's a drawback in this offense.
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Next year is prove it time. Schedule is as soft as it probably can be.
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feekdogg wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:50 pm Next year is prove it time. Schedule is as soft as it probably can be.
How good is that incoming freshman QB? Could he be ahead of either QB as a freshman or is he a lock to RS?
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hategreenticemase wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 6:15 pm
feekdogg wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:50 pm Next year is prove it time. Schedule is as soft as it probably can be.
How good is that incoming freshman QB? Could he be ahead of either QB as a freshman or is he a lock to RS?
They won't hold him back if he's obviously the best guy. He's a big kid, played at the highest class of Texas high school football, so he's been tested.
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At least next year we won't have to listen to the "we're America's youngest team" crap game after game after game. We got it the first time PJ, now put your big boy coachin pants on and get us to a legitimate bowl game...I dare you!
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feekdogg wrote: Sat Dec 29, 2018 4:50 pm Next year is prove it time. Schedule is as soft as it probably can be.
can they go 8-8?
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beetlebum71 wrote: Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:30 pm
JPM wrote: Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:56 pm Can you talk about Nebraska, Marlyland and Illinois a little?
Look how much they improved after those games.
The Illinois game was the best thing that could happen to Fleck. He was forced to get rid of Smith and completely changed the trajectory of the season. I'm not sure what that means for next year, but it was encouraging non the less. Fleck comes across as a cheap motivational speaker that I have to sit through at company sales trips. So far he's been almost identical to Brewster.
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Small Hands wrote: Sun Dec 30, 2018 11:47 pm
beetlebum71 wrote: Fri Dec 28, 2018 7:30 pm
JPM wrote: Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:56 pm Can you talk about Nebraska, Marlyland and Illinois a little?
Look how much they improved after those games.
The Illinois game was the best thing that could happen to Fleck. He was forced to get rid of Smith and completely changed the trajectory of the season. I'm not sure what that means for next year, but it was encouraging non the less. Fleck comes across as a cheap motivational speaker that I have to sit through at company sales trips. So far he's been almost identical to Brewster.
Brewster had never been a head coach.
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JPM wrote: Fri Dec 28, 2018 5:56 pm Can you talk about Nebraska, Marlyland and Illinois a little?
How bout that Wisconsin game fraud boy?
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How about that beat down of Purdue too?

PJ is genuine and most people like genuine. His “genuine” is different so it’s taking a little while for some but he’s fine with that. I like what he’s doing. It doesn’t happen overnight and he’s making good progress. I hope they get really good the next few years and are perennial contenders. Why not? How cool would it be if he stayed at the U for 40 years and had great success?

You ever see how after each play the Gopher player hands the ball to the ref? They are learning respect. Parents will want their sons to play for him. Smart players will understand that he will help them be better men too. Good players want to play with other good players and have fun. Gophers football looks fun to me.
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I'm fully in Fleck's camp until he doesn't deserve it anymore. When you're running a historically bad program you need to hype it up to get people to believe, to get recruits to come here. Without the dudes it's tough to accomplish anything. Without positivity it's tough to get people to buy in.

Next year should be a good year. 10 wins? Their 2 toughest games are AT Iowa and AT Northwestern, both late in the season. Legit chance at starting 9-0.
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j2j wrote: Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:21 am I'm fully in Fleck's camp until he doesn't deserve it anymore. When you're running a historically bad program you need to hype it up to get people to believe, to get recruits to come here. Without the dudes it's tough to accomplish anything. Without positivity it's tough to get people to buy in.

Next year should be a good year. 10 wins? Their 2 toughest games are AT Iowa and AT Northwestern, both late in the season. Legit chance at starting 9-0.
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j2j wrote: Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:21 am I'm fully in Fleck's camp until he doesn't deserve it anymore. When you're running a historically bad program you need to hype it up to get people to believe, to get recruits to come here. Without the dudes it's tough to accomplish anything. Without positivity it's tough to get people to buy in.

Next year should be a good year. 10 wins? Their 2 toughest games are AT Iowa and AT Northwestern, both late in the season. Legit chance at starting 9-0.
It never goes like that, ever, you know that. :lol: Before they won a few games towards the end of the year, I said the next time a record matters to me is 2020 season. With the 7-6 finish and weaker schedule as people point out, it'd be a disappointment now to not win at least 8. Now we'll see how they do in the injury department and hope there aren't other random off the field things that pop up.

This team should be competing for the top of the big ten west in 2020, that should be the goal.
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2019
Aug. 29: vs. South Dakota State
Sept. 7: at Fresno State
Sept. 14: vs. Georgia Southern
Sept. 28: at Purdue
Oct. 5: vs. Illinois
Oct. 12: vs. Nebraska
Oct. 19: at Rutgers
Oct. 26: vs. Maryland
Nov. 9: vs. Penn State
Nov. 16: at Iowa
Nov. 23: at Northwestern
Nov. 30: vs. Wisconsin

I'm not sure about 10-2, but 9-3 maybe. Fresno States stud defenders Mike Bell and Jeff Allison declared for the NFL draft, should be a win. The Nebraska game should be tough, McSorley is a senior for Penn State. Iowa and NW will be tough, and Wisconsin will be pissed after we curb-stomped them.
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HeHateMe wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:24 am
j2j wrote: Tue Jan 01, 2019 10:21 am I'm fully in Fleck's camp until he doesn't deserve it anymore. When you're running a historically bad program you need to hype it up to get people to believe, to get recruits to come here. Without the dudes it's tough to accomplish anything. Without positivity it's tough to get people to buy in.

Next year should be a good year. 10 wins? Their 2 toughest games are AT Iowa and AT Northwestern, both late in the season. Legit chance at starting 9-0.
It never goes like that, ever, you know that. :lol: Before they won a few games towards the end of the year, I said the next time a record matters to me is 2020 season. With the 7-6 finish and weaker schedule as people point out, it'd be a disappointment now to not win at least 8. Now we'll see how they do in the injury department and hope there aren't other random off the field things that pop up.

This team should be competing for the top of the big ten west in 2020, that should be the goal.
Quit being so nevadig.

Not saying they will go 9-0, but the schedule sets up that it's realistically possible. Of course there's always the Gopher factor... :(
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full force five wrote: Wed Jan 02, 2019 9:38 am 2019
Aug. 29: vs. South Dakota State
Sept. 7: at Fresno State
Sept. 14: vs. Georgia Southern
Sept. 28: at Purdue
Oct. 5: vs. Illinois
Oct. 12: vs. Nebraska
Oct. 19: at Rutgers
Oct. 26: vs. Maryland
Nov. 9: vs. Penn State
Nov. 16: at Iowa
Nov. 23: at Northwestern
Nov. 30: vs. Wisconsin

I'm not sure about 10-2, but 9-3 maybe. Fresno States stud defenders Mike Bell and Jeff Allison declared for the NFL draft, should be a win. The Nebraska game should be tough, McSorley is a senior for Penn State. Iowa and NW will be tough, and Wisconsin will be pissed after we curb-stomped them.
8-4, win the first eight, lose the next four.
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Touchdown, Jackrabbits!
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No OSU, Mich. or Mich State, it's the easiest schedule they could have. I think 8-4 is the floor with L's against, Nebraska, Penn State, Iowa and NW, maybe Wisconsin that's 7-5. They will curb stop the Jackrabbits. Our O-line is going to push the jackrabbits all they way back to South Dakota.
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The Big Ten west should be fairly wide open next year. I am a Husker fan and cant really stand Fleck but he seems to have the guys buying in. He strikes me as a guy that will take him a few years but if he can hit on a few recruits things could get interesting.

I still think once Fleck has any sort of success he will book for a bigger job.

Still think the Gophers are at least 1 year maybe two from competing for the West and with conference realignment the way it is, there is a good chance the B1G looks very different in 2-3 years.
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Not sure why people are already penciling in a home loss vs. Nebraska. Yeah the game this year was a debacle, but the Gophers have improved immensely since, return most key players and get at least one other from injury depending upon departures. (Winfield, Smith, others?).

I understand the, "We've been here before let's wait and see" approach to keeping expectations realistic and so I'm not predicting an outlandish W-L result, but some of the pessimism seems is as misguided as the some of the optimism.
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I only see 4 loser proof games on the schedule. 2 of the 3 NC games, Illinois and Rutgers at home. They'll win more than that -- I'll say 8 reg season games, but who knows which one's they'll be?
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